Trump tells rally immigrants are ‘poisoning the blood of our country’

Well. No points for subtlety.
- It still flies over the head of a lot of republicans.
  They just don’t know that, it’s practically a direct translation of hitler’s rhetoric- and they’ve never believe it, even if you show them hitler’s massive speeches.
  
  Many Republicans would support Hitler today. They like his ideas if you replace Jews with immigrants.
- That seems a bit harsh, I would have given him at least 10 minus points

Why do all of his speeches sound like they were pulled straight from the nazis?
"Donald Trump appears to take aspects of his German background seriously. John Walter works for the Trump Organization, and when he visits Donald in his office, Ivana told a friend, he clicks his heels and says, “Heil Hitler,” possibly as a family joke.
Last April, perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed. Kennedy now guards a copy of My New Order in a closet at his office, as if it were a grenade. Hitler’s speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist. "
Oh yeah, that's why. Thanks vanity fair.
- No way he is reading.
  
  “Let me tell you folks, I read. Big words, small words, I read all kinds of words. Hell, I’ve read thousands of words just this morning. They call me the greatest reader of all time, folks. Some of the toughest books, magazines, I read them all. Not like that fool Ron DeSatanist, I bet he hasn’t read a single book in his life. Sleepy Joe? Probably forgot how to read just like he forgot how to be president. But me, I read more than anyone in the world. I am, what some folks call, a “reader”. And that’s why, folks, you can trust me, you can donate to me, because I’m a very smart guy, because I read, you know, smart people, they read. It’s just what I do, I read. Now if you excuse me folks, I’ve gotta go start reading.”
- I mean he did all but use the phrase “blood and soil.” No surprise he’s copying off shitler’s notes.
  
  What did those folks say back at the Unite The Right rally? The one that Trump said had good people on both sides at?
- Again, he's not subtle.
  
  He's literally Dwight from that episode where Jim teaches Dwight how to deliver a speech.
  He isn't smart enough to know the historical paradigm of dictator's speeches himself.
  I wanna know who his Jim is.
- I was thinking exactly the same thing and then I saw your comment. I bet even Trump can't believe how far he has gotten basically saying the same type of crazy shit Hitler used to say. Trump is really calling to the baser instincts of a disturbingly large group of people.
  It is incredibly dangerous, and so bizarre to witness it happening again, not as a historical narrative, but in real time.
  
  There's a reason Germany banned shit like this. It worked then, it works now and it'll work in the future.
- His speeches sound like nazi fanfiction because he's trying to get elected by americans

I agree with Trump. Ever since the first European settlers came to the North America, the area has been in heavy decline. From polluting rivers to the point where they could be lit on fire, to the last president who was a fascist.
- You're full of absolute shit, Europeans were just the peanut on the turd. Ever since proto-Asians crossed Beringia North America has gone to hell, killing the sabertooth tigers and hunting all the really fucking cool megafauna to extinction. There used to be giant sloths here, and sloths are so chill.
  
  Yeah, king. Motherfucking North America was like Africa, except less hot.
  Woolly mammoths, giant armadillos and three species of camels were among more than 30 mammals that were hunted to extinction by North American humans 13,000 to 12,000 years ago, according to the most realistic, sophisticated computer model to date. The news is reported in the June 8 issue of the journal Science. ...
  Some of the mammals that became extinct are:
  woolly mammoths
  Columbian mammoths
  American mastodons
  three types of ground sloths
  glyptodonts
  giant armadillos
  several species of horses
  four species of pronghorn antelopes
  three species of camels
  giant deer
  several species of oxen
  giant bison
  https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/06/010608081621.htm
  
  Pour one out for the giant sloths.
  
  nobody talks about the real natives, the chainsaw-claw pumas
  
  So it’s the “proto-asians” we should all be angry at 🤔
  /s

Can this guy just drown in the fucking tub already, Jesus Christ.
- Wrong kid died
  
  That running gag had me crying.
- I fully expected him to have already died on the shitter pushing out a McWopper

It's lead and microplastics that are poisoning the blood of our country
- And lead. Don't forget lead.
  
  And hate. But worst of all: lead.
- And fracking wastewater.
- wrong! microplastics poison our bones.
  
  It's our only layer of defense in the skeleton wars!!
  
  meh, I'll just get an Adamantium skeleton upgrade

When whatever conflagration that MAGA causes is over, those who survive will have a duty to record what Trump and his supporters were. No Milgrahm experiments to explain why people reflexively obey authority. No excuses about how Trump was so charismatic and could sway and persuade.
Nobody is being tricked or persuaded. Trump is paradoxically the most transparent politician in American history. He's no great persuader. Listening to him speak is like watching a drunk man cross an icy street. The truth is LOTS of Americans fucking love fascism! They want people to be harmed and killed. They'll suffer hardships, and take losses to make it happen. They raise Trump on their shoulders because he tells them what they want to hear. And they'll happily hoist someone else up should Trump stumble.
Remember the Dominion lawsuit against Fox reviled that the network presenters were cowed and intimated by the viewership. All these years people like Jon Stewart told us that Fox news radicalized Memaw and Poppop. Maybe all along it was the deplorables that radicalized Fox.
At some point, people will be standing in the rubble of American cities asking "how could this happen"? Tell them Americans wanted it; Americans voted for it; and Americans gleefully held hands and jumped into the abyss.
- People want to believe that deep down, most people are good. I believe this to be a lie people tell themselves. No, most people are awful and would fuck over anyone they don’t know if they do much as think it will make them better off.
  
  I think you've got it twisted. People do awful stuff because they think it's good. The Nazis thought Jewish extermination was helping. Theirs a Documentary on Netflix about German soldiers tasked with shooting Jews. For most of them it was a horrible ordeal. One of the biggest motivators for continuing was the thought that shirking one's "duty" meant your comrade was going to have to do it for you. (one of the rationale for the concentration camps was to spare the death squads from PTSD)
  I mentioned the Milgram experiment. If you take psy101 they're going to tell you that that experiment proved that humans will harm each other for the sake of an authority figure. But that's not true. Repetitions of that experiment that replaced the lab-coat guy with one wearing a military or police uniform and you went from the vast majority willing to harm people to the vast majority refusing. People weren't obeying authority, they were volunteers who wanted to help science. They thought continuing a harmful experiment was their duty.
  You've probably heard that quote from Fred Rogers about how when something tragic happens, "look for the helpers". Well, it turns out that many of the people who cause tragedy think they're helping.
  
  People are good, until they aren't. That's the trick: Creating environments where people become more awful, more quickly. Like upgrading your barracks in a RTS game.
  
  I think it depends on context. If you're brought up in a wholesome environment with respect and positive values, you'll realize that living like that is better. If you're brought up in a cesspool of fear and violence, you'll think that's the way the world is, and you'll behave accordingly.
  It's not that America is inherently bad, or any particular cultural system. It's that when a society doesn't maintain its values and spiritual core, it will rot from the inside out.
  The problem is our society has sold out so much of our community, our education, our values for convenience and corporate greed. This is like what the Right used to blather on about, but they're to blame for most of the real depravity. In any case, we're just seeing the fallout.
- Bruh you cannot apologize for Fox. Their on-air people lie to anyone who will listen every God damn day, why would they stop lying just because they're under oath?
- asking "how could this happen"?
  That they won’t do. They’ll simply blame democrats and liberals.
- "Americans"
  Trump didn't win the popular vote before and he won't win it this time either. When he wins he'll win with a minority of voters, with likely less than 50% of Americans even casting a ballot at all. It's a very specific subset of Americans that are throwing the rest of us off a cliff.

There are quite a few Native Americans who would agree.

Political candidate tells nation of immigrants that immigrants are BAD. Film at 11.
- Political candidate that is married to an immigrant tells nation of immigrants that immigrants are BAD. Film at 11.

Isn't he married to an immigrant?
- Slaves and mail-order brides are OK.
- No, not like that.
- What Trump is referring to non-white immigrants.
- Baron is an anchor baby.
- Its ok because he married one of the good ones.
  (White)
- Yes, and look what he's done to the gene pool. The man speaks from experience.

Trump is racist. Big fucking news. His supporters don't care about racism. They are racists and they see racism as a good thing.
- It's not just racism. It's straight up Nazi ideology.
  
  But that's not new either. We've been calling Trump a Nazi for the better part of a decade now. These idiots have spent so much time denying that patently obviously fact, it's become part of their core identity to deny trump is a Nazi, even as he directly quotes Hitler.

Do you want hitler, because that’s how you get Hitler.
- No, he's not charismatic, not that far from grave and doesn't have any ideology or potent supporters (like officers, aristocrats).
  
  While intelligent people don’t think Trump is charismatic, he is undoubtedly considered to be charismatic by stupid people. He has situational charisma - when he’s ranting about some weird idea that he think his supporters will glom onto he’s considered to be very charismatic despite the written versions of his speeches sounding like the ravings of a man who just met Cthulhu.
  Your other points are 100% though - he is WAY older than Hitler was at his peak, and he has this terrible knack for throwing his sycophantic and powerful supporters under the bus which leaves him lonely in his power. I think he likes it that way.
- Someone needs to do the Hitler meme but with a trump speech

You know who's not 'pouring into America'? People with options.
Unless you're fleeing the third world, I can't imagine why America would even be on your radar. He's obsessing over the wrong problem.
- That's such a great way to put it.
- It's all a diversion to avoid people thinking about actual problems

“ Trump is the son, and grandson, of immigrants: German on his father’s side, and Scottish on his mother’s. None of his grandparents, and only one of his parents, was born in the United States or spoke English as their mother tongue. “
You know, he may have a point.
- Two of his three wives are immigrants. His in-laws benefited from chain migration. His third son is an anchor baby. None of his supporters are capable of recognizing these facts.
  
  Ha, jokes on you for thinking him and his followers think white immigrants are "immigrants". They use that word because it's the only acceptable one, but it's clearly not what they are referring to.
- Trump is the son and the heir of a dynasty that is criminally vulgar. He’s the son and heir of nothing in particular.

Immigration is one of the best solutions to fix rural America.
So of course rural Americans are going to be against it.
- What do you mean by this? Just asking, I'm from rural America and now live in a large city.
  
  Plenty of space and opportunities for revitalization. All they need are people living there.
  I am 100% in favor of expanding immigration with the stipulation that additional immigrants must live in rural areas.
- Immigration is the the only solution for all of America. The next few generations are going to be smaller than those that preceded them. Unless you’d like to see massive deflation and the economy reduced by a third or more (you don’t) immigrants are the only workable solution. Japan is staring this problem down right now and has chosen xenophobic and racist policies; it is headed for catastrophe and the world will get to watch in the next two decades what refusing large-scale immigration does to a nation with a strong economy and shrinking population.
  
  Ireland too iirc, as it became an Alex Jones talking point for a while that someone in Ireland said they needed 4 million immigrants to prevent similar issues. The person was just using that as a measure, and iirc it's quite a while in the past so not sure if it's the same today.
- Why do you think it needs "fixing" anyway? Rural America is great already.
  
  It's not as bad as what people who use the term 'flyover states' think.
  It can still be greatly improved, and immigration is the way to do it.
  Just drive through rural America and you'll see dead town after dead town. Mainstreets with less than 50% of their buildings occupied is the norm.
  It doesn't have to be this way. On average, each additional person contributing to an economy bolsters it rather than detracts from it.
  
  Stagnant economies, brain drain, lack of opportunity, drinking water contaminated with farm runoff and/or lead, crumbling infrastructure, and lack of funding for education and other government services.

Wasn't his father an immigrant?
- No. Fred Trump was born in NYC. Trump's grandfather, though, was an immigrant.
- no no no white people can't be "immigrants"
- His mother definitely was. She was from Scotland.
  
  Nah, she was an expat.
  /s

I like most of you Americans, but I don't wanna share the longest undefended border anymore if that asshole is elected again.
- Just tell everyone that Alberta is out of oil. No one is going to invade for the maple syrup, despite it being the nectar of the gods.
  
  It will be for the water though.
- cry harder

More like Trump and his pals are poisoning the country.

He said the quiet part out loud. Except it’s no longer quiet. It’s loud and very clear to his base.

It's always funny whenever anyone who isn't native American says immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our country" when anyone who isn't Native American has been doing that for hundreds of years to them.
- But if we follow Trump's logic to its conclusion, white Americans have poisoned the blood of this country for a few centuries now. If he is serious about being logical, he should advocate for all white Americans to go back to Europe. Anything else is just emotion, not logic. It hurts but it's the truth.

We need to bring the republican filth down to where they belong.

Trump is poisoning the brains of our country.

Now there goes a man who really hates his own grandfather...

“Blood and soil, folks. That’s what it’s all about. White people are fabulous. The best! We’re going to make America white again, and we’re going to do it bigly!”
- Way more productive to look at the causes of mass migration and fix those. Solves all the problems all at once.
  But it means the 1% get a little less richer, and we can’t have that, can we?

“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Immigrants built America. No one works harder to make a country better than the people who know how much worse it can be.

Particularly the Drumph family

Title gore.
Do we have that yet in lemmy? c/titlegore

Watching it all from Belgium, it seems that the contested speech of Trump is purposefully aimed at:
making the previous wrong remark yesterday's news;
flooding the news/people with controversial remarks so it's impossible to 'keep count';
raising the bar of what shocks Trump-supporters and -opponents.
- What was yesterdays remark?
  
  Exactly 🙂
- Fuck, it's a good strategy

Like his mother? Or his removed grandfather?
- Hey... dont disrespect removed like that.
- Or his wife. And ex-wife.
  But, no. His base understands that he's talking about the ones with the dirty-colored skin. Not the pure, clean, white skin. Or the obviously superior orange.
  Oh! One pet theory I have is that he's not trying for "orange," but rather "gold." He's got a fettish for the color gold, and I think his orange skin is as close as he can get. Or else he is partially color-blind and he thinks his skin is gold-colored.

OK Drumpf... Whatever you say...

That may sound better if it got turned around to "Rally immigrants tell Trump is 'poisoning the blood of our country'

That is so ignorant of him. Wow.
- Ignorance implies he doesn’t know better, or a lack of intentionality.
  This rhetoric is absolutely intentional.
- This is intentional.

Clearly a jab at big pharma mongol Vivek Ramaswamy.
- nah I think they had it right

- Take that shit back to Twitter, dude.

Please Donald Trump, save us 🙏
- I guess you guys haven't seen the meme where the guy sits in his car and repeats: "donald trump please save us" over and over like a lunatic praying to trump as if he was a god

And for a decent percentage, mRNA gene therapies known now by the false monicker of "vaccines." They changed the definition, that's why. And, I am stuck in the old definition.
And sugar, corn syrups, etc.