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Has Beehaw stated why lemmy.ml and kbin.social were spared, but lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works were defederated when all four share similar growth and open registration?

beehaw.org an update to defederating from sh.itjust.works - Beehaw

hey folks, here’s a quick update on our decision to defederate from sh.itjust.works! (and here’s sh.itjust.works [https://sh.itjust.works/post/129725]’s side of this update) we got in touch with the head admin over there, The Dude, and we had a pretty good chat about our concerns and reason for defe...

(Posting to lemmy.world seems to be disabled so I'm posting this here instead.)

This inconsistency has been bothering me, so I went poking around in their support community, and the best I could find was a statement saying they had reached out to the admins of both. Apparently they expected @ruud@lemmy.world to reply to something that didn't seem like a question as indicated by his response in Beehaw Support. As such, they claim to have no roadmap to eventually refederate with lemmy.world.

I added a reply from another instance, but I'm guessing I won't receive a reponse so if anyone knows, I would like to better understand the issue. It's quite annoying feeling like I'm missing out, especially when I'm seeing inflammatory overly generalized statements from kbin.social users about how lemmy.world deserved to be defederated over in this post on lemmy.ml.

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  • I know that many people don't like their defederation decision but I think they did it in good faith. And they did state they want to refederate with the two instances once the mod tools are in place.

    For kbin, they did mention the reasoning behind.

    To be clear there are problematic users on nearly every instance. I’ve had to moderate quite a few kbin users, but it’s not standing out from the pack as a particularly problematic place as of this moment.

    As for lemmy.ml, I have a stupid theory that since the signup is closed, those spammers cannot get accounts over there.

  • I say leave them to themselves. I tried applying for an account there, and was rejected. I guess they must not be hurting for new members. You have to wonder if they'll run out of people as other communities/magazines continue to grow without them. They might find their own members leaving in favor of those larger communities.

    • Yeah it's really not a good look when you have to anwser 3 questions and if you don't anwser the "right" way you get rejected. After a week of waiting.

  • Unpopular opinion but I don't think refederation with beehaw.org should be on the table. They loved the concept of federation when they needed users, and then once they've grown enough they said okay now we're gonna be a closed island and the other peasants need to rise to our standards before we refederate with them. The moderation excuse is obviously not sincere as users could have easily volunteered to moderate.

    No matter how fancy their writing is (and there was indeed lots of it, why try too hard to justify the decision?), I think the trust has been broken. Why would I comment on their threads ever again and risk having my content "locked" in their instance if they go on another ego trip and defederate again?

    • I don't really like beehaw due to a recent experience with them misleading people extremely severely that nobody but me seemed to really acknowledge. but if anything I stick to World.

  • I read that there were some people with accounts at lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works that went into their communities and were rude, inflammatory, and not following their rules so I think it’s more of a ‘punishing the many for the actions of the few’ situation. Maybe they were getting overrun, maybe there were a ton of rule breakers, or maybe they just didn’t want to deal with the huge surge of users. Hard to say.

    I haven’t been in their communities so I don’t know if maybe they have much more strict rules that people weren’t following or what. Or maybe people were bringing a vibe they weren’t fond of - they may have that insular community feel and maybe too many people moved into their neighborhood that threw off their block parties, I don’t know. I personally don’t feel the loss because I’m not in their communities but I do feel kinda sad that someone federated with both might see people commenting the exact same thing but they can’t see each other so they can’t just interact with each other.

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