Hamas says no hostage will leave alive unless group's demands met

www.telegraph.co.uk Hamas says no hostage will leave alive unless group's demands met

Hamas has warned that not a single hostage would leave the territory “alive” unless the group’s demands were met.

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Fuck Hamas
- And also fuck Netanyahu
  
  Now this is the kind of critical thinking I strive for. Fuck both of them
  
  Yes. Both off them.

Is there a list of Hamas' demands published somewhere? Cause I don't see it in the article...
I'm genuinely curious as to whether it's an achievable list of demands vs ludicrous posturing that has no chance of ever being met.
- I'm pretty sure the raison d'etre of Hamas is just "death to Israel"
  
  Yes the abolishment of the oppressive genocidal ethno state of israel is indeed their goal.
  I'm pretty sure the raison d'être of Nelson Mandela and the ANC was to end the Apartheid in South Africa as well.
  Violent resistance groups don't just magically spawn out of thin air.
- Number one is the complete removal of Israel always. So highly doubtful.
  
  Do you have the actual list that shows this is part of their current "list of demands"?
  I realize that was part of the Hamas charter, but that's a different beast than what sounds like their current list of demands. This would be an example of a ludicrous demand that is just for show rather than a serious negotiation.
- They want a ceasefire, the blockade to be loosened and the release of all Palestinian prisoners in Israel. All things that shouldn't need even need negotiation to happen in a non-Apartheid state.
  
  Is there an actual published list of demands somewhere that is cite-able?
  
  ceasefire
  Which Hamas broke on Oct 7, despite loosening restrictions on Gaza, then again on Nov 30.
  blockade
  Which Egypt and Israel instated with international support because Hamas even turns humanitarian aid into weapons.
  Apartheid
  Palestinian Israelis serve in every level of government and civic life.
  
  So, a third ceasefire now, with them starting new attacks within 30 minutes or less? Or are we past third yet?
  
  Many of those prisoners are there after participating in terrorist activities, many of them murdering lots of innocent civilians. The only reason they're still there is because Israel does not have the death penalty.
  
  They need to release hostages for a ceasefire. You know, those they just said they will kill. Try to keep up.
- Well, in your boot licking eyes, it can only be the latter even if the only demand is "Everyone stops killing people."
  
  Lol what the fuck is your problem?
  I ask a question, making me a boot licker. So I guess people who never ask questions, like you, are what... ?
  Fucking trolls is what.
  
  Yes, but Hamas did start the war so it’s not that simple

That's kind of implied in the concept of hostages, yes.

It's only going to get worse.
In a few years you'll have an entire generation of adult Palestinians that have lived under blockade in an open-air Gaza prison. It's an apartheid and Israel is an apartheid state.
Treating people with that kind of barbarism creates a lot of anger and a lot of people are going to think they don't have anything to lose by fighting back.
- Haven't they been living in an open air prison since about 1948? I'm pretty sure they're working on the 4th generation to grow up in those conditions.
  
  Yes, but it's grown progressively much worse, particularly since they were blockaded 16 years ago.
  I think the next Osama Bin Laden is currently hanging out somewhere in Palestine, and when they surface in the next decade or two, their manifesto will sound eerily similar to the one OBL wrote about the embargo the US placed on Iraq, which starved millions of people and led to the rise of Al Qaeda.
- Tbh I doubt at this point we will have a next generation of gazans
  
  A lot of people thought the same thing about the Vietnamese. It's a lot harder these days to wipe out an entire population than it was in the 1800's, though not for lack of trying.
  Historically nations that have wholly wiped out other nations of people have needed a pandemic that they're immune to in order to accomplish it.

Hold on to your butts.
- What good will that do ;)
  
  Ah ah ah. You didn't say the magic word.

Hamas is getting their ass kicked.
- The outcome was known before the attack took place.
  
  Perhaps, but what this tells you is that the IDF are close to the leaders.
- Yeah by martyring them. Shortsighted policy.
  
  It's the best thing to do with them.
- It's almost like a well armed modern military are fighting an insurgency.
  
  its not an insurgency. it's a bunch of untrained losers who's only "success" comes from killing civilians in cold blood.
  there won't be any of hamas left in a few months and that's a good thing for everyone in the region

Like how OP is trying to hype up IDF as if they didn't lose a slew of tanks to some Hamas fighters literally walking in with RPGs and probably being as old and as competently trained as high-schoolers.
Eisenhower and Ford are watching in embarrassment as they use a metric ton of the latest in advanced guided weaponry to deal with an insurgency that only has hostages because Mossad was sitting on its ass for a whole year.
Hamas will get crushed eventually, but I'm surprised they kept up this game for so long with only like 200 hostages. Lockheed's CEO would probably shake hands with their leader if he could for generating such a huge amount of arms sales.
- Eisenhower and ford? Do you know the history of the korean and vietnam wars? Lol
  The only reason hamas isnt ass blasted right now is because they hide among civilians.
  
  The carriers, not the presidents.
- Israel builds their own APCs and Tanks. They fly US airframe though. But, they also fly their own drones.

Well I guess we'd better just give them everything they want

Just to explain: Their demands are mainly loosening the blockade (which is a humanitarian crisis in its own right) and freeing ~~hostages~~ Palestinian detainees.
- And killing every jew in the world..
  
  They don't want to kill all Jews. They want the expulsion of all Jews from Israel/Palestine. At least according to their original manifesto, they've changed it to remove this part to be fair.
  It can be argued that the Israeli government wants the same thing for the Palestinians.
  
  They've never said that. Why are you making up shit?

How many hostages has the IDF retrieved so far with their genocide, 1? Sasuga IDF intelligence. Truly "the best out there".
There seems to be no reason for Hamas to negotiate since they're completely in control.
All israel has done so far is kill innocent civilians.
- 1 out of 200? So you're saying they need to genocide 200 times more to get the rest back? I'm sure they'd say challenge accepted.
- Hamas has probably already killed them all, while you carry their water
  
  Hey, there's also the chance idf has accidentally hit them
  
  The IDF is known for killing and abusing their hostages without reason. Hamas isn't. They only execute hostages when the IDF tries to barge in.
  Which is why the IDF already lost this on Oct7 and should agree to the hostage swap.

Tell that to all the antisemitic people here with brain rot.

Duh? That's literally what the hostages were for lol

Are the demands:
Stop kidnapping our civilians.
Stop relentlessly shelling us (specifically when we are in supposed relative peacetimes).
Again, Stop kidnapping our civilians, stripping them down, and calling them fighters.
Stop forcing our women and children to "evacuate to a safe space", then mercilessly shelling that place.
Stop destroying our schools and hospitals, murdering everyone there, then calling it a "Hamas center of operations" because armed men were there trying to protect the inhabitants.
?
- You forgot "stop preventing us from getting essential goods for our perpetually sick, starving population", but yeah that's about right.
  
  Actually that's not a Hamas demand. They steal those goods from their population and use it themselves.
  
  One of the demands is to kill every jew in the world. It's in their charter
- Nooo you can't resist against Nazi's that's terrorism!!!!!
  
  Didn't everyone hear?
  Jews were genocided by Nazis, so Jews get a genocide free pass they have decided to use on Palestine!!!

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