Ask Kbin! @kbin.social Aityz @kbin.social 2y ago

Do you think Meta's Threads app will be beneficial or detrimental to the Fediverse?

Personally I believe that it'll make people associate the Fediverse with Threads, which is not a good thing. Edit: It'll replace their definition of the Fediverse, with Threads, and people may widely forget about Mastodon, Lemmy, Kbin etc.

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Considering that the big majority of Threads' users are cringe influencers, brands that are ads themselves, and celebrities who don't want to interact with anybody but their bootlickers (who are also celebrities), I would say it's detrimental to the fediverse.
- You're judging the platform based on the earliest of early adopters. Yes, people with nothing to lose and everything to gain by being on the ground floor of the platform have joined, but general adoption will take a little while. It will grow and normalize. They do have an uphill battle convincing people to leave Twitter, and frankly, ActivityPub isn't a big selling point. Being able to talk to nerds who left Twitter and Reddit isn't going to drive the average Instagram user or current average Twitter user to a platform - or else they'd be here. Yes, that's the side many of us know, but we are not average users.
  
  Yes, people with nothing to lose and everything to gain by being on the ground floor of the platform have joined, but general adoption will take a little while. It will grow and normalize.
  
  So the folks who decide to leave the latest dumpster fire of a mismanaged tech company that shits all over its users (Twitter/Reddit) to intentionally choose to move to a company that has been shitting all over its users (and worse) for years and years, are going to be the ones that will make Threads better, and that we should eventually hope to federate with? Am I reading you right?
Meta should be considered harmful to humanity, not just to the fediverse.
- They are. Like, objectively speaking.
We probably won't find out because a majority of the fediverse will not want facebook a part of it.
- I hope so...
I look forward to it. Granted, I wonder at this point if ActivityPub is still on the roadmap given the user count and communication already happening. Their goal is to hurt Twitter, and that's starting to happen already. Why should they seek out conflict when they're winning?
- ActivityPub is very likely about complying with the EU DMA and future development of it. The Fediverse community by itself is practically irrelevant.
- I think they will still kind of seek conflict with reddit. Reddit users that are leaving will then move to threads instead of kbin/lemmy.
  
  I’m not so sure, given that it’s more of a Twitter replacement. I think it would capture more potential Mastodon users than Kbin/Lemmy users.
When I draw from experience with Meta it will mean harm for the Fediverse. Their moderation will be bad. They won't ban Nazis. Nazis will attact marginalized people in the rest of the Fediverse. So instances will block Threats some won't = The fediverse is split. Zuck wins.
- The fediverse is split. Zuck wins.
  
  I don't see this as a lose for the fediverse.
  
  So (with the fedipact in mind) we end up with a big chunk of fediverse who are at a minimum like minded enough that they recognize and reject the influence of Meta and others like them, and another big chunk of fediverse where folks don't really mind everything that sort of influence brings, and can wallow in it all they like.
  
  To me everyone gets what they want.
- Why exactly do you believe that a partial mass-defederation of Threads would "split" the fediverse? That's not how interactions between instances works.
  
  It's not a technical split, but an ethicsl split. Until recently the fediverse took pride in the fact that they watched out for eachother. If tgere was an instance that didn't moderate nazis, they defederated or at least muted it. Now, that the instance in question is run by a corporation with a history of bad moderation, desinforamation and hate-speech they get the benefit of doubt, because people think it's cool that an awful guy like Mark Zuckerberg sees a chance of making big money on their hobby. I think Meta joins the Fediverse to attack Twitter. It's a means to end competition. Thus they will not let the rest of the fediverse become competition. "Competition is for losers" -- Peter Thiel
Detrimental
I hate that its tied to Instagram.
- And that is not a mistake or a missing feature in a beta version. People can easily join but they can't leave. Threads can only grow. And the will remain this way until someone wins in court against Meta
It’s coming wheather you want it or not. It may be best to figure out how to be receptive to it.

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