Biden ‘not sure he’d be running’ in 2024 if Trump wasn’t: ‘We cannot let him win’
President spoke about risks Trump poses to democracy at event amid fears a second term would be far more autocratic
The fact that people look at Biden and go "Yeah but he sucks!" when you have an opponent literally saying he is attacking American democracy and wants to be a dictator on day one.
A wave of lava lapping at you're feet and y'all are worried that the raft trying to save you is a lil old. Motherfucker it is your only option.
Yeah trump is old too, but if he dies, nobody cares. If Biden does though, all we have left is Harris to protect us from Johnson.
You do know if Biden died a new vice president would then be appointed, right? I could see congress trying to hold that up but I think the Republicans would face an uphill battle, and that’s only presuming they don’t lose their house majority like they did in 2020.
Either we vote for the guy who wants to murder innocent americans or we vote for the guy who wants to murder innocent non-americans like the last twenty presidents.
Jesus fucking Christ...
Is this to suggest that out of all the options in the DNC, Biden is not just the best one available, but the only person in the DNC capable of winning an election against fucking trump?!?
That is a hella sad implication.
It's kinda sad as well that after four years at the helm (arguably), the best the dude can go with as a campaign is to just drag out the same lame ass "I'm not trump" he ran on last time... Not that "I'm not trump" isn't worthy of a vote, it is in my opinion, but shit man, you can't hold up anything else, after 4 years?
Anyone know who's going on the libertarian ticket next year?
Just like Hillary was the only person who could beat him in 2016…
I feel like we’re sleepwalking into a dictatorship because of old fucks thinking they know better and that now is their time.
Unfortunately we're in a position this election cycle where our options are vote for old fuck, or let Nazi old fuck win.
I'm not thrilled about it either but it's something we can sort out after this election cycle. There's a much larger and important issue on the table than age and it needs to be dealt with first.
Yes this has big Hillary 2016 vibes.
If Biden is so confident he’s the best suited to beat Trump, why not hold a primary so the voters can back him up? There are some interesting challengers to the left of him with actual populist positions and meaningful intent to follow through on them.
The truth these geriatrics don’t want to hear is that Biden is one of the few Dem candidates who can LOSE to Trump. And he’s dead set on doing so.
Meanwhile this has been the best Democratic presidency in 50 years. Way more progressive policies passed than Obama but I guess none of that matters because he’s old.
Traditionally, Incumbent has higher chances of winning. DNC whole thing is taking "no risks". I remember how people would say they loved Burnie and still voted for Biden in the primaries. I'm like wtf. DNC slogan should be "not the GOP". Sad part is risk of Trump is too high for third party middle finger vote. people did that when DNC shafted Bernie the 1st time and we got trump. DNC knows this.
It would be great to do the third party middle finger vote but that just gets the fascist elected. I see people complaining about Biden (even though I think he’s doing a pretty good job, despite the shortcomings) and say they won’t vote for him if he doesn’t do some single issue thing and I just can’t help but think that’s a super special level of privilege. Like really?
Hillary Clinton already ran on "I'm not Trump". So yeah, during an entire decade, the Democrats' only winning argument is "we're not literally criminal fascists".
Democracy involved compromise, unless you just wanted to be defeated in detail in the political arena. You may wish that boomers and their views didn't exist, but for as long as they do, they are a reality that needs to be faced.
If you just ignore them and push them towards the repub candidates, then it isn't progressives that win, but republicans. Who can then do away with democracy at some point and secure their position despite dwindling demographics, in classic Realpolitik fashion.
Gramps may not get all the nuances of the modern world, I doubt any 80+ yr old does, regardless of how good their briefings are. But he does understand why moderates are important. And he's good at diplomacy in general.
Yes the system sucks. This is not news to anyone already past their teenage years. It's what we got though, and to reform it, you need progressive politicians, which will need moderates in order to win vs entrenched repubs. Reality is a removed, and it doesn't treat purity very well.
False. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
That is all the Media reported upon. Much like is happening today.
Anyone know who's going on the libertarian ticket next year?
I know it will be an absolute moron
It's actually just resignation to the fact that people are so uninterested in their children's futures that they couldn't be bothered to learn about a new candidate. I don't think he's wrong about it, sadly.
I'm going to go so far as to say Trump is the only person Biden can beat (but even that isn't guaranteed if you look at current polling of likely voters). He is an supremely terrible candidate, like Clinton was, and people choose to ignore that at their own peril.
STFU. Biden’s is the best presidency for progressives in 50 years. Go ahead, name another who has been better for progressives. Shame on you for feeding the Trump narrative.
"the only person in the DNC capable of winning an election against fucking trump?!?", yes, since he is the only one going to be the Democratic Candidate, he is the only one with any chance. Glad you worked it out on your own.
I mean it definitely couldn't just be people don't want massive changes and want a dude in the center keeping most of the status quo.
A centrist who has a long history of cooperation with politicians on both sides of the aisle is going to be a far more effective president than an ideologue who embodies the feelings of angry lemmy users.
Besides, realistically, big change for the country shouldn't be coming from the top down starting from the president. It should start locally and move up. All of these people complaining that AOC or Bernie would be some sort of political Jesus who would revolutionize the US if only the corrupt, evil DNC would pick them are completely out of touch with reality.
Do I want to vote for biden? Fuck no.
Am I going to? Absolutely.
We have a 2 party problem in this country but 1 party country run by deranged republicans sounds like shit. Their supreme court has already stolen thousands of dollars from me with their shitty rulings. Not to mention the basic rights they're continuing to strip from everyone
I just want to know what's going on in the minds of these schizo liberals and moderates who plan to vote Trump because Biden isn't left enough for them.
Like, I want a candidate further left than Biden too, but I'm not going to vote for the literal antithesis of a left-leaning American candidate. That just signals to the establishment that Biden wasn't safe enough and next time they'll put someone who is even more conservative as the nominee, and the Overton window shifts even further to the right.
Has everyone already forgotten what a shitty 4 years it was under Trump? He's not an unknown variable anymore, we know exactly how bad a second term is going to be.
I expect some of it is astroturf like the that white republican guy who had a fake black guy alt and spent his time calling democrats racist. I think people underestimate the sheer amount of billionaire money the republican aparatus has and why its still going despite it being widely unpopular.
The other thing is Biden actually has made some good appointments but the corporate media doesn't like them so they don't, for instance, want to praise the NLRB appointments.
Can Trump just die already?
Only the good die young
Betty White had a dark past we never talk about.
I would vote for a literal russet potato over Donald Trump.
We got this guy Not Sure.
He's got a higher IQ than every man alive.
He’s going to fix everything.
Over 300 million people in this country and these two are the best we can do? And I actually like Biden and think he has done a solid job.
It's by design. We don't want the disparity in wealth to shrink so we only elect people who exacerbate it.
I dislike JB. I despise Cheeto chimp. Friggin' politics are infuriating.
Alright, I'll say it. I like Joe. He's low maintenance. He got things done (infrastructure). He's fucking Putin in every which way he can. He's talking to China. The gave money directly to the people instead of just to the corporations. I think that helped the economy of the general population better than it did than the great recession.
What dumb shit to say that's going to be used against him.
Tell all the right wing diehards "if you hate Biden so much get Trump to drop out or vote for Haley in the primary"
I agree on the not letting him win part.
Can I ask a stupid question? How is he running? I thought he was impeached, and I thought that meant he couldn't run again?
He was never convicted in his impeachment trials.
While you are a sitting president, you cannot stand trial until the process of impeachment is complete. Impeachment just means the house of representatives thinks there's enough evidence to have a full hearing in the Senate. Impeachment is not a trial and thus no official verdict can be made, only the Senate can do that.
There have been a few lawsuits citing that engaging in insurrection means he can't be put on the ballot but so far all the courts have said that secretaries of state have to put him on the ballot if he wins the primary.
Not quite correct. The house of Representatives votes to send articles of impeachment to the Senate detailing the charges. This starts a trial. After all evidence has been presented the senate votes on whether to convict or acquit the president. The vote requires a supermajority (2/3) in order to convict. Three presidents have been impeached in the history of the USA. None have ever been convicted by the senate.
Jesus, Joe, why say that? You’ll lose a lot of people who are on the fence by admitting your heart’s not really in it.
He may be the best we’ve got, and I’m still voting for him for the same reason he’s running, but Biden has been such a terrible disappointment. He’s wasted the time he’s had.
My concern is... what if Trump runs again when he's 81? What if he wins? What if an 81 year old Trump is literally running the country?
How ironic, he's literally the only guy who can lose to Trump. Get another Democrat candidate.
I can think of a ton of democrats that would fare worse than him in a general election versus Trump. I know lemmy at large (and my own personal politics) don’t align with a more centrist Democrat but with first past the post voting targeting the middle of the electorate is how you win.
And he's also the only one who's even remotely worth winning. Seeing as how all the good options aren't even attempting a campaign. And even if they were, the DNC has basically already decided Biden will be the candidate.
Blah blah do nothing but vote for us so we may blah blah
"The other guy is a literal fascist currently floating the idea of dismantling democracy" is a very compelling argument, at least to me.
Also, that's not hyperbole coming from the Biden camp. Trump himself is saying he'll be a dictator on day one and promising to go after the media and political opponents.
You're right, but for some reason it still feels like we're being fucked.
"The other guy is a literal fascist currently floating the idea of dismantling democracy ... but also, 11 round magazines are way too large."