The Biden administration is sending Congress an urgent warning about the need to approve tens of billions of dollars in military and economic assistance to Ukraine, saying Kyiv’s effort to defend itself from Russia’s invasion may grind to a halt without it.
The Biden administration on Monday sent Congress an urgent warning about the need to approve tens of billions of dollars in military and economic assistance to Ukraine, saying Kyiv’s war effort to defend itself from Russia’s invasion may grind to a halt without it.
In a letter to House and Senate leaders and also released publicly, Office of Management and Budget Director Shalanda Young warned the U.S. will run out of funding to send weapons and assistance to Ukraine by the end of the year, saying that would “kneecap” Ukraine on the battlefield.
She added that the U.S. already has run out of money that it has used to prop up Ukraine’s economy, and “if Ukraine’s economy collapses, they will not be able to keep fighting, full stop.”
I’ll admit, I had this thought earlier about why do they even need our money? I haven’t heard of them fighting much of anyone since the first week of this. Mostly leveling the entirety of Gaza so that they can take it over. So the US is not only paying for genocide, we’re also paying for a construction project basically.
Maybe someone who knows can chime in but what is the money for? Is it for more weapons similar to Ukraine? Are we trying to profit off of a genocide?
A lot of it isn't actually money. The US keeps a massive stockpile of weapons and equipment in storage in Isreal. The government hands over the keys to a few trucks and some parts, then writes it off as $X value in military hardware.
We aren't giving them actual cash. Israel is an excuse to fund the local Military Industrial Complex. Money goes to MIC and their lobbyists, weapons go to Israel.
I haven’t heard of them fighting much of anyone since the first week of this
Israel has around 2500 total casualties. Most deaths are lumped from the initial attack (around 1200). Approximately 400 soldiers have been killed, the rest are wounded.
Israel has been involved in several wars against multiple other nations - for example, in the 1973 Yom Kippur war, it was invaded by Egypt, Syria, and a coalition that included Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Cuba, Jordan, etc.
Israel is located at a fairly strategic location. Britain and France used Israel during the Suez crisis to stage an attack against Egypt over control of the Suez Canal. The Suez Canal is one of the most important global trade routes.
US support of Israel is a combination of funding American arms dealers and wanting Israel as a strategicly located partner. That's why we fought proxy wars with the soviet union over it like the Yom Kippur war. The aid is intended not to fight Hamas, but to keep Israel strong against e.g. Iran and other neighbors. They've had peace with Egypt for decades, but that might be more because of Israel being strong enough to not be worth attacking.
I doubt Biden personally supports the Gaza war, but a lot of this stuff is more about realpolitik and strategic concerns than anything else.
The GOP will, of course, stand with Putin. The GOP has always famously stood by the USSR/Russia. I believe it was Ronald Reagen who bravely said "Mr. Gorbachev, build me a fucking wall."
What's embarrassing is the sunk-cost fallacy people are applying to Ukraine.
It seems most people on these forums legitimately believed Ukraine would blaze past Russia in their counteroffensive after getting Western weapons. When that didn't happen, nobody came out and said "we were wrong." It's just doubling-down, lol.
It's sad how many people legitimately believe the outcome of this war is already decided in Ukraine's favor. Just shows how effective propaganda is at making people believe fantasies.
The moment people realised Ukraine didn't get immediately steamrolled pretty much everyone who does war analysis profesionaly that I saw were saying this would be a pretty long war that could go either way
people think that prolonging this war regardless of the human sufferings in Ukraine is fine as long as it is not good for Russia.
A ceasefire and truce would save countless Ukrainian lives. But obviously it's not very cool - fighting to the last man and woman Hitler style is cool and fun to cheer on from far away.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Biden administration on Monday sent Congress an urgent warning about the need to approve tens of billions of dollars in military and economic assistance to Ukraine, saying Kyiv’s war effort to defend itself from Russia’s invasion may grind to a halt without it.
In a letter to House and Senate leaders and also released publicly, Office of Management and Budget Director Shalanda Young warned the U.S. will run out of funding to send weapons and assistance to Ukraine by the end of the year, saying that would “kneecap” Ukraine on the battlefield.
Biden has sought a nearly $106 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and other needs, but it has faced a difficult reception on Capitol Hill, where there is growing skepticism about the magnitude of assistance for Ukraine and where even Republicans supportive of the funding are insisting on U.S.-Mexico border policy changes to halt the flow of migrants as a condition for the assistance.
The Biden administration has said it has slowed the pace of some military assistance to Kyiv in recent weeks to try to stretch supplies until Congress approves more funding.
The letter followed a classified Capitol Hill briefing on Nov. 29 for the top House and Senate leaders on the need for the assistance.
Defense and other national security officials briefed the “big four” congressional leaders as Congress is debating President Joe Biden’s nearly $106 billion funding package, which includes $61 billion for Ukraine but has become snared by Republican demands for U.S.-Mexico border security changes.
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Classic US. Overspends and forces a debt they will not end up paying. Instead, the US will probably end up with several land/mining rights from Ukraine and maybe Russia, since they won't be able to pay either.
Hey I've got an idea, let's drag the Ukraine war out another 2 decades and see how much death and destruction that can continue to fester.
I'm sure it won't lead to millions of angry, broken men who will never be able to feel integrate with society and cause a spiraling of violence and crime throughout Europe and the world reverberating for decades into the future.
Oh, and drug use and homelessness. Almost forgot about that, silly me.
Well, we could end this horror-show tomorrow by turning Moscow into a sheet of glass.
Let's call Vlad Puta's bluff and see how many of his 50 year old ICBM's even make it out of their silos, much less to a target. They are widely thought to be ill-maintained, looted by a very active military black market, and old as shit. Add to that our space and air defense spending, and I'm betting the only country that would experience any Russian radiation would be Russia.
If you are an ally of US or NATO in general, the conflict in Ukraine is probably a rude awakening as to what you can expect if you get into a conflict.
What? Had Ukraine been in NATO this would've been a full blown war with boots on the ground from the entirety of NATO, not just weapon deliveries. And Russia would've been completely unable to advance. NATO would have complete air superiority inside the first month, any visible Russian base within or near Ukraine would be decimated and their only course of action would be fortifying positions in cities among the civilian population. Trying to fight a regular war would just end up in a decisive defeat within months. It would be very similar to Desert Storm. Advancing to and clearing fortified cities would of course prove a challenge even with NATO fully involved, and I fully expect that Russia would go all in on guerilla tactics in that case.
If Ukraine had already been part of NATO, Russia would never have attacked as that would have immediately triggered article 5 and there would be B-2 bombers circling the Kremlin.
A mutiny force almost took Moscow just a while ago. NATO would be making jokes about reuniting Ukraine with Raspberry Ukraine, Grey Ukraine, Yellow Ukraine, and Green Ukraine just to let China worry about a NATO state on its borders to make its problems with the First Island Chain even worse
That's absolutely great for NATO members, but not for allies which I outlined above. Being a reliable ally is paramount to maintain soft power... given how Ukraine is turning out, if I were say the Philippines, I'd be really concerned about the US support in a potential conflict with China.
Wtf are you talking about? Putin said Kyiv would fall in 48 hours or something like that. Instead his country is hemorrhaging money and fighting-aged men, Russia controls only slightly more territory than it did before the invasion.
And that's with neither NATO nor the US in a hot war with Russia. If we were, circumstances would be very different and the only thing flying in Russian airspace would be snow.
You mean that even them just providing aid will be enough for you to stalemate a self proclaimed superpower and then push back against them and launch direct attacks against them?
I agree, this war is a big signpost for smaller nations who share borders with large neighbors known for considering themselves superpowers while also boo-hooing themselves as le-opressed global south for internet privs to stan for because Lebensraum and Irredentism are cool when something something colonialism.
When Ethiopia invades Eritrea or Eastern Somalia, these types will flock to defend them against any accusation of wrongdoing because "but self governance and sovereignty over your own ports is colonialism!"
The money spent on Ukraine has been essentially pennies relative to any significant domestic program.
If you instead redistributed all the $113 billion spent since the invasion began in 2022, you could give each American a grand total of $340. A nice chunk of change, to be sure, but spread out over the course of the war, this is literally $15 a month.
Personally, I'm okay having $340 less over the course of nearly two years if the alternative is tens of thousands of dead Ukrainians and Russia successfully re-asserting that violent conquest will not be resisted. Moldova would almost certainly be invaded next as well, since they're not in NATO. $15 a month is a pretty damn cheap price to pay to protect a democracy and save countless lives (not to mention, the torture and rape the Russian army has been committing as well)
Do you feel the same way about every other conflict in this world or just the one in Europe? What about spending money to prevent the conflict in Africa (Ethiopia) or in Asia (Myanmar)? Will you be willing to pay higher taxes to fight off the drug cartels in Central and South America?
We got all these issues here in the US. Homelessness, gun violence, drug overdoses, overcrowded prisons, massive personal debt (student loans, car, credit card), etc. I don't care to arm another nation and play proxy war.
By any capitalist measure, the economy is doing great. If you're struggling, maybe reconsider supporting a system that doesn't care about how well you're doing as long as profits are up.
What about us Americans struggling in our economy?
Most of the funding is literally for American jobs. Congress authorizes funds for the creation of, for example, Javelin missiles. This funding pays American workers in American factories producing said missiles. Then we send them to Ukraine to blow up Russian invaders.
Why the hell would you want to take away these well-paying American jobs if your concern truly is about Americans struggling in our economy?
You mean the military industrial complex? I used to work for them and I know how bs their numbers are. Also that industry relies on conflict so they won't make money during peacetime. I'm not too keen on my tax money being spent overseas too find a war that we are not a part of. Well we shouldn't have been involved until we involved ourselves.