Sony Steals Customers' Purchased Content - Piracy is COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4GZUCwVRLs
Once again: if paying for it isn't owning it, then not paying for it isn't stealing it.
Ah so if I go rent a Lamborghini for a day that means I own it and don’t have to give it back?
If you only make a copy, then you're good 😜
depends, when you're done "stealing" it does the original owner still have it? you're making the same mistake that this phrase was meant to address: that infinitely replicable goods aren't the same as physical, exclusive goods.
I stopped supporting Sony when they took away access to games I purchased for my PSP. I will not purchase another Sony product until I can play Patapon on my PSP go without pirating it.
You can, the store is closed, you can still download games to it. It's easier to just pirate them, however
Sony has always treated its customers like absolute trash from the get go. As a kid, I had a stereo that ended up dying. They weaselled out of the warranty. Flash forward to my Sony headphones where one ear died and they did the same. Forward again to my Ericsson phone whose screen died due to “water damage” (the markers were triggered by a friend who worked in their repair department said all phones on high humidity zones were always triggered because back then phones weren’t even dust proof). They sent it back refusing to fix it.
Since then they have been on my embargo list. One of the worst companies for caring about their customers.
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I still remember the Sony BMG copy protection rootkit scandal.
Yeah another stellar case in point to show Sony would rather you eat glass than have to do anything for you.
Let’s not forget the ridiculous court case against Geohotz for jail breaking the PS3. They pulled out every dirty tactic they could in that suit. Really showed their colours and how they actually “fight” in the court of law.
Scum of the earth.
We never got those things here, everything was already pirated 😂.
The Sony minidisc players were decent hardware, but the app that loaded music onto the discs was completely garbage.
It would set the bit rate down to sub 40kbps(so it looked like you had mp3 Cd levels of storage, and would move the original music files it "loaded" deep into %appdata% to try and hide the originals from you.
That was what got me to look into piracy. Bought a CD and was unable to copy it to my iPod. Fuck that
I remember my friends mom got an s3 and the water damage tag was triggered before they even left the store, they tried to exchange it for another one but it was triggered too.
I'm still convinced that many of them were purposely triggered so they could deny warranty claims. It makes too much sense.(I know s series isn't sony, I just mean most companies do this).
I don’t think it was on purpose, but who knows what their facilities are like. Maybe their phones are built in a literal sweat shop lol.
In any case, it was a ridiculous thing to use to weasel their way out of a repair given how unreliable those markers are. I would definitely have taken as much evidence as possible and reported it to the consumer watchdog in your country.
Again, 🖕Sony
Have to admit though, when it comes to quality equipment, they do take the cake. I've never had a Sony product break on me (except my walkman, but that was my fault 😂).
But, to be honest, I've never consumed anything but audio and video equipment from them (receiver amplifiers and TVs). Things may be different in other departments, including their PS department.
Years ago when I still bought music from Apple my entire library disappeared. I could log in, but nothing was there. I didn't bother with customer service, in an hour I had all my music back and it was mine.
Wasn't it Sony that released an album that'd root your system? Bunch of criminals if you ask me.
Wow that's even worse than I thought. Especially that they included copyleft software.
Sony has always been an industry leader in consumer abuse.
Nah, that would be Nintendo
TBF, he said "an" leader not "the" leader
Eh, Nintendo is fiercely protective of their IP to a fault. I won't defend them, but I certainly don't view their practices the same as I view Sony's.
And they tasted the wrath of collective hacker grp Anonymous because of that
In my opinion the wrong thing is getting the focus because legally Sony nor WB stole from anyone in the legal sense. I know it is unethical, but unfortunately that is not a winning argument in the business or legal worlds. The winning thing to do here is popularize the notion that "buying" from these services is not really buying and no one should do it. While at the same time popularizing the idea that any content tied to such a model is not worth consuming.
By pirating it it is just proving there is some value in these products even with all of the BS the rights holders tie them down with. The message needs to be sent in a way executives and lawyers understand that when you make your product customer hostile to obtain legally you make that product effectively worthless and the customer will go elsewhere for their entertainment. Including DRM has to cost them more than they stand to lose from those that will pirate it anyway. Because money is all executives and lawyers understand.
This would also effectively create a demand for smaller projects not tied down with all of that DRM shit that maybe some enterprising people would start to fill.
If buying is not owning, then piracy is not stealing.
IMO Piracy is completely justified regardless...
But that said, wouldn't it be the content owner rather than Sony (who is a third party platform) who is to blame for justifying it in this particular case? (based on the iamge here which seems to imply that the content owner is the one pulling the content rather than sony itself).
Dn't get me wrong, not saying the situation is good. or that Sony is a good company. Only that they don't appear to be the ones instigating this move unless I am missing some other info. FWIW, I lost all hope in the idea of a pro-consumer way of doign streaming content ages ago and have been flying the black flag for years so I guess this just doesnt seem like aynthing new to me. I willntt even consiedr paying for netflix, prime, disnet, hbo, hulu, or whateve else. Maybe if they stop being greedy fuckwits and come up with a something fair for consumers I'll consider but until then, fuck the loto f them.
edit: fixed a tpyo
So, I don't think you're wrong but I think there was another way to do this.
A live example is the Deadpool game on steam. The original game is no longer available and cannot be purchased, bought, rented, or anything. However, if you bought it, you still have access to downloading it.
The reason? The new deadpool IP shredded the contracts with the original game developers primarily because the voice actors weren't the ones everyone is now accustomed to (mostly ryan reynolds).
Steam managed to allow the content owners to be able to download and install the game without any problems while also complying with the new terms surrounding the deadpool ip.
This is primarily sony's fault, in my opinion, because they chose not to go to bat for their customer base and opted to fuck over their own customers. If they do not refund everyone for all the content then anything sony has ever made should be pirated by everyone from now on because it's clear that ownership no longer exists and if I can't own anything, then I also can't steal anything because clearly no one 'owns' it if even the people that paid for it cannot use it.
The reason? The new deadpool IP shredded the contracts with the original game developers primarily because the voice actors weren’t the ones everyone is now accustomed to (mostly ryan reynolds).
Makes me wonder how out of touch those guys are that they see the only solution is the nuclear route. Even if there were more issues than just this, it seems like better options could be found.
Steam managed to allow the content owners to be able to download and install the game without any problems while also complying with the new terms surrounding the deadpool ip.
That's a very good example and I agree that's a much better way to do it.
I would think tho that this was more of a difference in how the original contracts were designed (e.g. Steam probably planned for this from day 1) but it's clear that wherever along the timeline the decision was made that Steam handled it way better than Sony.
I think one other angle we're probably missing is that Sony is in the movie industry in a big way, where Steam is not. From everything I've seen, film/movie/tv/music bigwigs are some of the greediest and most childish asshats in existence. Just look at the pettiness of their lawsuits.
What a crap take.
Edit: it's not because Sony steals(? I actually don't know but it was probably in something you signed so 'legally' not theft, but again, IDK. Shitty? Yeah.) stuff that piracy is justified. Piracy is justifidled by other moral means IMO. I don't need Sony (or Microsoft, Apple, or whoever) to help my morals when it comes to pirating.
I mean he rants too much but Luis point was that if you bought a digital product and the seller just randomly decides you don't get to access it anymore it's okay to pirate it because you've already paid for it. The original creators of said content already got their cut from you the first time.
And I'm totally in favour of that. I was just hitting at the shitty click bait title.
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Good lord… you can point out how shitty Sony is for taking away purchased content without being sensationalist and claim this justifies piracy. Whoever wrote this sucks.
Edit: Oh god… It’s Rossman. Of course it’s dishonest.
It kinda does add some validity to the argument. The seller can just take away a product without compensating you for it, in most situations we call that theft. If they are going to steal the content from you, morally I see no problem stealing it back.
It's of course still illegal, but I wouldn't say it's immoral in this situation.
That’s the thing, though. I’m not denying that what they’re doing is wrong. They shouldn’t be able to do that. They should either be required to refund those purchases or they shouldn’t be allowed to remove them. Either way, that doesn’t justify piracy. This is just people who already are pirating finding a reason to justify it for themselves after the fact to make them feel better.
If Sony taking something away that you paid for isn't stealing, then neither is taking something that Sony doesn't lose.
You paid for a licence to watch this content for as long as it is available.
I never said it wasn’t stealing. Nice straw man, though.
How is he dishonest? It's fine if you disagree with his opinions, but saying he's dishonest is very.... well.... dishonest :P
Rossman has become something weird lately. Just full of hate and not any real knowledge, kinda like the Alex Jones of "tech", just whine and scream into a camera for attention. I had to unsub and block his channel it was so toxic.
Agreed.
Before the change it was educational, now it's just clickbait and hate
He was always a bit dishonest. It’s just gotten to a breaking point.
Since when is Rossman controversial? He simply stands on the side of consumer right-to-repair and ownership. Is anyone here against this?
