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You SHOULD connect to Tor via a VPN, actually

You SHOULD connect to Tor via a VPN, actually | 2023 Tor Overview

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Write an article.
- https://www.privacyguides.org/en/tor/
  They did
  
  I know what Tor is and how to use it, thanks. I was just wondering what the video had to say about Tor + VPNs that hasn't been said a million times. But I'm not watching video content.
- They did

- Did you watch the video?
  
  No, post an article, then put the video on the videos community

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It's a good video, filled with nuance, and good discussion. Definitely worth watching
- Agreed - it's 25 minutes without filler or repetition. Good stuff.

The onion router was a clue in itself as to how you connect to the Internet, especially when you need to hide. Add more than a normal vpn into the mix, proxies, ssh tunnels, dns tunnels, net cat, and maybe i2p. Once done, you could even fire off an ion cannon in a particular orbit if you fancy.
Just bear in mind that some vpn companies are owned by companies who also own other companies that own large networks, so they don't necessarily need the vpn to log traffic to get your meta data.

Canonical link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo22D-dUeCA
Tldr via notegpt io
🔥 Hot take of the month: Should you use a VPN before connecting to Tor? Probably yes!
🔍 Counter-argument to Mental Outlaw's video on "Stop Using Tor With VPNs"
🌐 Tor Project acknowledges the benefits of using a VPN with Tor
🤝 Privacy Guides is not affiliated with any VPN providers
🔒 Using a VPN before Tor enhances privacy and security
🌍 Reasons to hide Tor usage from ISPs and network administrators
🚫 Misconceptions about Tor's anonymity and the need for VPN usage
- This tldr doesn't explain anything.
  
  It's machine generated off the video transcript, so it's hit and miss but it should give you enough information to determine if you want to watch the video
- Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
  https://www.piped.video/watch?v=vo22D-dUeCA
  Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
  I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

While doing this is generally not recommended, EFF does indeed suggest this option in some context: https://ssd.eff.org/module/choosing-vpn-thats-right-you#things-to-consider-what-vpns-don-t-do
- I think there's a huge difference between we cannot make a recommendation and you shouldn't do this.
  The tor FAQ says we cannot endorse this in all scenarios.. "generally speaking"
  https://support.torproject.org/faq/faq-5/
  The video makes a reasonable argument that if you can't trust your ISP not to log, adding a VPN that has less incentive to log you makes sense and in worst case is the same as your ISP logging you so you lose nothing by trying it
  
  Also, one should consider using Bridges (obfs4), so that your local ISP may not know you’re on Tor. Tails suggests that too. Using a VPS is not necessary a best option for that, though it might be a good option under some situation.

I never leave my VPN, so that's the easier way anyway.

What are you guys actually using Tor for, anyway?
- Not for watching YouTube vids that should've been a fuckin article anyway
- thats besides the point
- For shits and giggles, mostly

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