Film companies demand names of Reddit users who discussed piracy in 2011
Reddit urges US court to protect anonymity of six users who mentioned piracy.
The MPAA really is grasping for straws aren't they. Ever since people were able to stream movies during the pandemic and found it was a much cheaper more enjoyable experience, they have been trying to invent ways to drive people back to the theaters. Now they are suffering major block buster busts and they have to point the finger at someone so they think, "it's those darn Reddit pirates!" Its funny that they don't realize they caused their own demise. But really I wonder, why specifically 2011?
2011 is well outside the Statute of Limitations for infringement...
That's three years with some wiggle room for ongoing infringement.
This is likely an intimidation/shakedown thing.
Sounds more like they’re going after Grande. Belief being the testimony would allow them to build a case that Grande incited or somehow induced privacy which would strip them from a number of legal protections that may apply to service providers.
Could be that they're looking to block similar usernames in their streaming services?
Right? Yeah, piracy is the reason people don’t go to the movies. It has nothing to do with the overpriced, nasty concessions (cold, overly salty popcorn), dirty floors, uncomfortable “reclining” seats, gimmicks (4DX, RPX, XD), staff that can’t be bothered to turn off the lights at showtime or properly configure the sound systems. All while you’re paying $15 per ticket and $30 on snacks.
These morons live in an entirely different world.
The gap between reality and what corporate shills who probably don't even use their own product think is reality is ever widening.
It's funny because we subscribe to the AMC A-List and go to the movies quite a bit (obviously this is in the US). But it's because a) we have a couple of AMC theatres close by, and b) it's just me and my spouse, no kids involved. So it's something that to us is worthwhile (having a night out a few times a months to see a movie on the big screen). Also, we never buy concessions. I can't imagine how an average family with a bunch of kids can just go and drop over 100 bucks on tickets and concessions on any given night.
It has nothing to do with the overpriced, nasty concessions (cold, overly salty popcorn), dirty floors
Ugh, this just reminds me of all those times I went to the theater, and no matter where I walked I would hear the squish sound from my shoes coming into contact with something sticky... I do not miss that at all.
Disagree that it's more enjoyable than going to the theaters. There is a social aspect of going to movies with friend groups that's hard to replicate at home. People don't have space to fit 12 friends to comfortably watch a new release.
Now is a good time to remind users that you are placing some trust in the instance that you use. Lemmy is not anonymous. It is pseudo-anonymous. Your instance can do pretty much anything with your account up to and including turning your account into a sock puppet, and they know exactly where you're connecting from.
With that said, it's a lot better than most social media today that actively tries to violate your privacy at every turn.
This is part of why I signed up through FMHY. If anybody is going to try to protect my privacy it is probably going to be the very actively pro-piracy group.
To add to this: some instances require your email address, and others don't.
Obviously there are plenty of other ways you won't be really anonymous, but if it's important to you, one step in mitigating issues is not to have an email associated with your account.
You can always use https://10minutesemail.net/ for the required email. No muss no fuss
Scary but hey at least Reddit isn't handing out the info so easily in this instance
Would be mad.
There are many topics people discuss that are problematic. Forget piracy. What about people from authoritarian regimes, people from countries that are in danger to fall to authoritarians, even if they haven't yet. Anything from years ago could become problematic if the wrong government gets into power.
Making jokes about God is no deal under some regimes, it's blasphemy in others.
Drugs are a problem in a lot of countries, and a literal death sentence in some.
Making fun of a fringe politician is nothing when they are not in power, but becomes a problem if they get into power.
I am sure Reddit gives some data in cases of actual danger, which is fair. But if they start to hand out data for something minor like piracy, it's going to be a problem for discussion on the discussion plattform.
They will if they get a nickel for doing it.
Whatever. It's not really admissable. People talk about tons of things that they don't actually do. For example, I talked today on teams about deleting a problematic app from our vcenter just so we didn't have to deal with a compatible issue. Didn't actually do it.
In a way this does make me slightpy concerned about Lemmy servers, Reddit has a team of lawyers and tonnes of funds behind it to fight pointless demands like these
A lot of server owners won't and will be much easier to coax into giving up information about it's users
The thing is, chasing individual instances is a game of whack-a-mole, with a lot of downside and not a lot of upside. Established companies follow laws and regulations because they are easy targets, with local assets, offices, and public figures that are worth serving/seizing and can be compelled to comply to court orders. How TF you going to enforce a court order in a country that doesn't recognize your jurisdiction or laws?
The other thing thing is, if you run an instance with moderation rules that skirt the law, you are incentivised not to log personal information and disseminate it because a) that makes you a target, and b) you'll get called out by your own users for logging and leaking IPs, and people will just move to a different server.
It seems pretty obvious to me that you should assume at all times when you are online that you are basically in a public space, like in a public cafe: People can see you, even if the fact that they are not paying close attention to you creates the illusion of privacy. If you start doing something to stand out, people will start to pay attention to you, and it's all visible to see unless you actively take precautions to hide your identity. That starts--but doesn't end--with not browsing piracy on main.
And why are they demanding it? Just scrape it like the rest of us.
the one positive part of the reddit api changes 🤣
Well, Reddit isn’t in my good books right now, but I hope they fight this fight hard, and I hope they win. Good Luck Reddit
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This was something I suggested for this instance, since there is even a guide for hosting an onion service: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/135234
Maybe /u/db0 will have more time after the spam settles down, but it seems he's got a lot on his plate at the moment between being an admin and doing AI stuff.
Would federating work properly with an instance on i2p or tor?
If with properly you include insane amount of waiting for requests and timing out then yes
yes. I have a Diaspora, another Fediverse platforms, account on diasp.org that I hav only ever accessed via their hidden tor service http://diasporg5tj4xz5mxkd5qnrppo7tbb6ynk2gtmjw5lmz6mtbesj3k6id.onion and their i2p connection http://diasporg.i2p , and i have no issue federating with friends that only use normie instances like Friendica. I have heard there are some maston imstances that support tor hidden service to. Maybe kolektiva.social?
Probably if all instances were using Tor, but it would be very slow
@ReCursing @Fonz @skullgiver see this reply I just wrote: https://social.immibis.com/notice/AXSgn5KUrJhQrsadaC
I mean you can very much onion route to a regular server, if it allows connections from Tor.
Unfortunately Tor means it's very hard to IP ban abusers, so a lot of services automatically ban common Tor exit nodes.
@skullgiver @Fonz It is possible; you have to set it up yourself and you won't federate with many places.
Hosting Lemmy or Mastodon on Tor or I2P isn't hard; you just host it, and link your Tor/I2P daemon to it same as any other website. But you have to be aware you'll be cut off from the majority of other instances. You'll be running standalone.
I am not sure about Lemmy, but Pleroma supports feeding all your federation traffic through a proxy; you can use one called fedproxy to split out your I2P federation traffic through your I2P daemon, and likewise for Tor. I am not currently running this on my server. It should still work for other fedisoftware than Pleroma. https://docs.akkoma.dev/stable/configuration/i2p/
2011?? seems like an awfully long time for them to still care.
Seems this has become standard operating procedure for much of this industry - make shitty movies, wonder why they flop at the box office, then go scorched earth against alleged "pirates" and blame them for your "losses". When the studios make movies that are worth seeing, people will go to see them. See: Top Gun Maverick and Avatar 2, among other recent multi-billion dollar hits.
It is worth noting that many of the more egregious abuses of the legal process as of late seem to be by this one company Millennium Media and their many subsidiaries (Bodyguard Productions, HB Productions, etc.) They are basically just a bigger version of Strike 3, just professional trolls who would rather profit off of legal shakedowns than make good movies.
Funny, those are the same movies I'd point to as what's fundamentally flawed with the film industry; chasing the lowest common denominator and avoiding interesting and artful risk.
Name 10 interesting and artful films and you'll have also named 9 box office bombs. Hell, Fight Club didn't even gross half it's budget at the box office. Very few people want good films.
12 years ago, talking about piracy isn’t incriminating so why do the big movie companies need their info? So they can potentially intimidate them for more info they potentially don’t have?
Really no idea why that timeline. In 2010 I got an email from whatever ISP I was using at the time politely asking me to stop torrenting music. They basically said, hey we see you're doing this, please stop or you can't have internet through us anymore. That is when I learned what vpns and tor browser's are for.
Seems absolutely bonkers that any corporation would be digging back that far for media pirates. Absolute waste of time.
I got a similar email once from my ISP, but it was more of a "this is your first and final warning".
They might be looking for something specific. Like they are investigating an individual, or network of individuals, and this is just a piece of that investigation. I doubt they are asking for this to randomly look for opportunities to charge people with a crime related to piracy.
The time it would take to ask for these specific users and the research needed wouldnt amount to the number they would bring in if this would just be a shake down, I would guess you are right
For real. And even if they were to find the users, which is a longshot, those people could say, "no one tells the truth on the internet."
This fishing expedition is a waste of resources.
Thats creepy as hell.
Thank goodness I only openly supported piracy from 2019 to 2023 with 5 different accounts lmao
Dodged a bullet there
🫡 not all of us were as forward thinking as you.
Your sacrifice won't have been in vain
Imagine when film companies pay Google for access to pirate’s gmail registrations. I’m glad I switched to Protonmail years ago. Any of these “free” services will sell your information for the right price.
Laughs in GDPR deletion request
And what are ya gonna do with that information? Tell us talking about it is illegal? Eh?
Extremely common MPAA idiot L, as usual.
Makes me want to screen record DRM protected stuff and redistribute it right now :)
Yeah this is the kind of crap that encourages people to pirate simply to spite them.
Piracy is part and parcel of the global economic system, and since that system hasn't changed since time immemorial, well it always has been too.
2011!?!? Lmfao
Statute of limitations??
Only on criminal law.
So piracy is a civil crime, not a criminal one? Awww 😩 All this time I thought I was cooler than I really am. (Sad arrr noises)
Why not just scrape it? 4head
LOL, that's cute. Reddit doesn't even know my real email address.
On a similar note how safe is it to use private torrents such as IPTorrents? They obs keep a log of users and upload/download stats and probably the torrents downloaded and ip addresses. Surely rights holders would be better off going after this data no?
All they have to do is get an account and sit there seeding their own movies, then keep a log of the IP addresses of the people they connect to. That’s how most P2P enforcement is done.
Problem is that anyone with enough knowledge to get private torrent access also knows enough to use a seedbox or VPN. The whole business case for a VPN revolves around not giving out IP addresses so that’s generally a dead end for copyright holders.
Eh, you shouldn't get hit with anything serious unless you're hosting a server that's seeding tons of content. The worst I've seen people who occasionally pirate getting is a 'stop being a pirate, asshole!' letter from Disney or something. I tried cyberghost for a while and it was such trash that I wish I hadn't wasted money on it, I've just not bothered with VPNs since.
FYI, this was done a few years ago. I think the lawyers behind it just got out of prison.
I recommend people use a VPN even when using private torrents. Mostly because aren't really private, they are semi-public but kept behind some sort of application gate-keeping process. Do you trust every single user on these sites all the time? Are they actually vetting new applicants? Do they audit users at all?
Generally unless you personally trust every single user it just takes one bad actor to log IPs and start sharing that information somewhere else to compromise the privacy of the entire userbase.
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