A good deal of IT work, too
A good deal of IT work, too
A good deal of IT work, too
It depends on how hard you push the envelope. The closer you get to doing something no one has ever done before, the more likely you are to be in your own.
Of course, any time you're doing something no one has ever done before, it's prudent to consider whether you should.
Lol this applies to so many things. Maybe there's some prestige to doing something for the first time, but really there were probably a dozen people that contemplated it and decided against it for good reasons.
Of course, any time you’re doing something no one has ever done before, it’s prudent to consider whether you should.
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"Ink is dry. Clicky thing doesn't work. Fail."
I still have to look up basic things even when I'm doing that, sadly.
Things like "how do I reverse an array?" Will always be in my Google history because I can't remember ".reverse" exists.
Could I reimplement ".reverse" or just read the docs for an array? Yes. Will I? Never.
I feel you, my problem is that I switch between languages too much. I'm learning rust right now as a hobby, but I'm technically a frontend dev with years of experience in angular and react, and a couple months ago I have been put on a legacy rails project, which we're rewriting for Angular x Java stack (thankfully my roommate is a Java backend dev, he's been a lot of help) and on top of this I maintain my Cyberpunk 2077 mods written in lua, c++ and redscript (swift-like).
Send help.
Wise words
Doing something nobody has ever done before should be something we strive for.
Do we really need more websites that are really just front-ends on databases?
I'm old enough that when I was in school, teachers were telling us that we'd never have calculators in our pockets wherever we'd go.
I'm that old, too. Can you imagine a student back then saying, "I'll have a calculator, flashlight, camera, video recorder, music collection, and games to pass the times I have to wait on others."
"Oh yeah and it's also a phone"
I'm only 27 and I was lucky enough to hear that one, no Wikipedia and no Google.
Wikipedia was started in 2001, and Google in 1998. Who was saying this to you when you were 2?
This wasn't all that long ago though. I'm only in my 30's and was told this in elementary school in the 90's and early 2000's. The iPhone was first released only 16 years ago.
I was told this, too, but when I got to Functions and Analytical Geometry, they started suggesting calculators. Now kids have laptops, gees.
Thats a stupid statement in any year after the “pocket calculator” was available in the 70s
Not really. The first ones were quite expensive, and it was uncommon to have one on your person at all times like we now do with smartphones.
It's even more stupid when it's the same class that required the purchase of a TI-85 to complete the course.
Googling does become a hell of a lot easier if you know what the concept you're looking for is called.
I find myself going to ChatGPT for this stuff now.
"I'm trying to do something like [concept]. What is that called and can you give me an example"
Usually I get my results faster and easier than Google.
be careful using it as your only source of truth, even more so when you don't know what you're searching for exactly
I had an emailed a question that I didn't really know where to go with, so I asked Copilot to answer the email factually. Sent that email with a note of ai origin, but it was close enough and got us into right track
"There is no point in reinventing the wheel" is my favorite saying when it comes to things like this.
If something has been done over and over again, there is no point in doing it yourself from scratch. It wastes time, money, and effort that could be spent on creating something new.
Humanity's greatest strength is being able to add to the previous generation's knowledge base, too!
If we had to relearn how to do the same things in the same way, in every generation, we would still be in the stone age...
When I manage folks, I expect them to steal if its already been done and especially if it's been done to death.
If I relied on my college CS textbooks as reference for anything I code now, not only would it have been outdated 2 years after purchase, but it's been ten damn years now. Only actual reference books I have are for theory. And even then it's probably not the best source anymore.
there is no point in doing it yourself from scratch.
Learning. The point is to learn.
You don't have to learn everything that way, but you understand things a lot better when you've built them from scratch, and that underlying foundation enhances the entire knowledge stack.
I like both of your guys' points. Keeping all old knowledge while deconstructing and rebuilding it to make it understandable to newer generations is pretty great in my opinion
I've made it two decades in IT and related fields by searching for answers using Google. I accidentally took my laziness, love of automation, and ability to Google and became an SRE. Then I accidentally became a senior software engineer because the director on that side of the house liked my initiative and was sure my skills would translate. I protested but got a substantial bump to do it.
I'm failing upwards by abusing stack overflow and search engines.
Have you tried Microsoft's Bing Chat / Copilot?
Yep. I've got company access to GitHub Copilot, a personal subscription to ChatGPT, and I use Bing Copilot.
Bing and ChatGPT have a lot of utility overlap. Those things don't do my job for me but they do generate initial ideas and double check my code. I also use GPT as my rubber duck that kind of talks back. I literally tell it to be a rubber duck and pretend to know nothing, then chat with it. It's pretty great for that. Better than the bear that sits on my desk, but not as fun to look at.
Those are the newest tools in my arsenal of "Make computers do my job and rake in the paycheck".
I literally made money on a contract this year doing something I’d never even done. Thank you google. Love it
You never did it, but still made money for claiming that you had?
I'd : contraction I + had, past participle active. Indicative of something having been done by the subject (in first person) in the past.
"I did something I had never done (before / in the past).
Assume they meant “previously”
Must be a government contract
In IT contracting (at least the fields I'm around) it's quite common that "being able to acquire new skills quickly" is one of the skills you get paid for, and the time needed for you to do that is accounted for in the project planning.
I can at least agree with the last line.
Don't use google.
Nah, use Kagi.
Use stackoverflow directly.
Ask the question on Lemmy!
I agree. Bard is way better for this purpose
Too bad Google search sucks now.
teachers dont say that
"When will you ever walk around with a calculator in your pockets!?"
My teacher dead ass said that to me when I was 9 and had a Casio wrist watch with a calculator on it.
Yeah, i remember that. But tbh, the stock calculator apps on most phones suck ass.
As someone who worked in tech support and a sys admin role, yes, and thank you. I would say 90% of all issues and problems I had were either solved or pointed in the right direction since 2006, the year I started.
I'll do you one better. I've learned that in the absence of online information for a bug or fault, that I'm most likely attempting something that is better solved another way. Like, nobody does it like the harebrained thing I just invented, so it's just me and everyone else with a (different) working solution.
Do teachers actually say this these days? Or are you making it up just for the sake of the meme.
As a teacher, no. Now we say don't trust the Google summary, click a link for more information!
Funny. In my day Wikipedia just came out and they used to give the same advice. In comparison, I would wager any random wiki article has a better chance of being more reliable and a better answer to your question than a Google summary.
Also might be good to recommend them to use multiple links / sources, and look for opposite views to broaden their perspectives on topics.
That does make sense, I forgot Google summary is a thing.
Googling problems certainly helps but you still need enough knowledge to define the problem, Google it, and implement the solution.
I get the impression that a lot of posted solutions are from people who actually spoke to high level tech support for various hardware/software because how else would they know things like what obscure registry key with a very arbitrary name to add?
That’s a big part people don’t understand is you need to know enough about your problem to google the correct terms and find what you need. Googling itself is a learned skill.
This is so true. That's why there's no shame in using Google or Duckduckgo or even Chatgpt. You have to know enough to phrase the right question, know how to filter the right answer, and then use it.
I can Google a Chinese dictionary, but that won't make me fluent in Chinese.
Just don't google google. No laughing matter. You could break the internet.
I did that twice today by accident. I'm sorry 🥹
That explains why it was so slow.
Oh great, now we need to take it down from Big Ben and de-magnetise it. 🤦♂️
Google search results have become so bad i barely use it today. Its even better to use chatgpt. You have to take every answer with a grain of salt but usually it can give you a few options and give you resources to work with. Google search sucks ass. The amount of times i do NOT find what im searching for is way too high
Well, you need the basics of software development to start with. But sure, I'm not going to make my own implementation for every problem I come across. That would be insanity and a colossal waste of time.
However, people googling or using ChatGPT to create code they do not understand themselves, are just cargo cult programming, and it will bite them in the arse/ass (delete as applicable).
Im full time IT, a huge chunk of my job was learned through google. My current position looked incredibly different before we had phones and could research everything on the fly. I feel bad for tech's who didn't have access to research tools like we do now.
I work in controls and I couldn't imagine how life was working with allen bradley stuff pre internet. there's a manual for everything
Well, for once it was far smaller code base and significantly simpler. Better optimized though since hardware was very limited. Middleware nightmare we are currently living in is no joke. Soon we'll have to have search engine locally indexing stuff because code grew so big. People just include everything without thinking. Yea sure pull entire web browser for your note taking app because they were too lazy to learn few calls to UI library.
Your teacher was at least right about not using Google. Use literally whatever else
Searching does help, but hey, you have to know what to search for and then how to apply the findings.
My GP has a tab open just for googling medical stuff
Programmers when GitHub and stackoverflow:
But what do you do if you have to fix 'the internet'?!
You search for it on your phone over mobile internet.
Or climb the Elizabeth tower to see if the little red led is still blinking.
I went to work in IT over half a decade ago without relevant credentials. Google taught me everything.
If only I could sign in to the damn system.
Only a shit teacher, would say this!
Is this the new "you need to know this math because you won't have a calculator with you everywhere you go?"
I use Google at work on a regular basis. It's taught me a lot about using powershell to get stuff done faster, how to use rox and ios cli more efficiently, and ChatGPT taught me how VTP works because sometimes Google isn't enough when you've no idea what you're doing in the first place.
Oh sure yeah let me just start fact checking by subscribing to every kind of scientific journal, calling up various libraries and universities to check relevant studies, and ask lawyers and legislators every single time somebody says something questionable or puts something misleading on a label instead of using a search engine.
After a while using duckduckgo for everything, my work browser was hooked to Google, and when I went to use it the results were shit, and the ads were just overwhelming. Reconfigured it to duckduckgo.
Life is better.
Bing: How to smoke a turkey
Java, apparently 😂
Oh, most of my CAD workdays are filled with Google searches.