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1y ago

But Windows 11 is so good!!11!1!

stolen from linux memes at Deltachat

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I haven't booted Windows since February and at this point I'm afraid to.
- Be afraid, be very afraid.
- If you haven't used Windows in that long you might as well just get rid of it.
  
  Unfortunately not possible for me. I daily Arch (btw) and hadn't booted into Windows for months and months until my university professor came along and said "btw, we're gonna build GUIs using Microsoft Foundation Classes in Visual Studio now, and yes, you have to use Visual Studio on Windows in the exam". So nope, not uninstalling Windows.
  
  I was wondering if you can do BIOS updates through wine (because obviously they only are supplied as .exes) but it doesn't sound like something I'd like to try ...
- Yesterday after a reboot windows added a fucking bing search bar in the middle of my desktop.

Stop talkimg about your ex, Cartman.

You can "click" in GRUB?
- They're talking about the Debian installer.
- you click the enter key...

people who insist on using windows should just run it in a VM, it has suprisingly low overhead these days, you can even game with it if you insist, but i'm hearing wine/proton is getting good enough that it doesn't even matter
- Youre entirely correct about proton unless your kid wants to play fortnite
  
  Literally the only reason I haven't switched to a Linux distro. I hate anti cheats so much.
- You're still stuck when it comes to anti-cheat in multiplayer games. Some do allow it to work on Linux, but a significant number don't. Hopefully the tides slowly start to change thanks to the Steam Deck.
- windows' ram overhead is insane though, it's not like I can't run it but I wouldn't want to daily drive it
- I need the stability and reliability of it not running in a vm because it's for schoolwork
- I mean I do that currently and it is okay, but file transfer is still not working. The rest is, and I think it even was pretty much ootb, but the SPICE drivers are a real hassle to get installed, while it could be a one click solution?
  (This "insert spice CD" thing has no option to download the driver ISO, right?)
  Also windows11 is a bit bloated. Bulk crap uninstaller and ChrisTituses Winutil really help making it less fancy but more performant, or just usable.
  But yes, VM is way better than hardware. If your Laptop supports that.
  
  There is an ISO somewhere, I always struggle to find it
  After that you can just download from within the VM, mount from within windows and run the installer exe

One time i opened windows to change a setting on my mouse that had windows only software
The app didnt boot so i tried to restary windows. It decided to update, froze in the middle of the update, and broke
After then everytime i tried to open windows it would send me back to the gnu grub screen
- I had the opposite problem, I had my mouse all nicely configured just how I wanted it using Piper on linux, then booted windows to test something unrelated (which if I remember correctly didn't even have the logitech software installed) and it somehow instantly reset my mouse to factory defaults. I decided whatever I was trying to do wasn't worth the effort and have not had windows installed on my main computer since
- After then everytime i tried to open windows it would send me back to the gnu grub screen
  Sounds like it did you a favor

I have a single windows 11 system while everything else is on some form of Linux distro.
That windows system has never been connected to the internet, and it has been great without ever causing any of the typical update issues (although I update applications/components manually over an isolated NAS link).
It's sad to see that everyday users have gotten habituated to these constant workflow braking updates. No wonder many people I know are jumping to the Apple ecosystem after getting a taste with a M2.
- It’s sad to see that everyday users have gotten habituated to these constant workflow braking updates.
  I've never understood this problem, people talk like it has a mind of it's own and i just don't get it.
  I'm running windows 11 pro and have never had updates interrupt my shit.
  Updates show up in my system tray, then it updates overnight when i sleep.
  
  Most don't leave their PC on overnight.
  I remember when I went on my lunch break and came back to see my PC part way through upgrading to Windows 10, which I never agreed to. So yeah, Windows update can definitely act bizarrely.
- I mean... having updates that suck is not a good solution but for sure do every update please.
  Its just excrutiatingly slow, like 5min one time where Fedora Kinoite is more stable, doesnt fuck up other partitions and goes in the background while using the system!
  Android (GrapheneOS) is even better with updates in the background and very low CPU usage, one reboot and you are there.
  Or just regular mutable Linux distros seperating packages that dont need a reboot from packages that do.

And then Windows overwrites your bootloader so it can only boot into Windows.
- I need to overwrite windows because currently I'm just considering my laptop unusable until I bother to fix grub after that...
  
  Do it! Commence the sacrifice so that the great penguin in the sky may grant you its blessing!
- Oh my god, this truly was one of the biggest reasons I didn't use Linux in college. After I built a rig with two SSDs, it felt so much easier to get into Linux.

windows updating the UI/UX with every new OS kills me. Wheres the 'fuck off' option when it asks for me to set up my personalization options and info?
I just wish they would literally and continued supporting Win 7. Everything after is just subpar from a usability perspective imo.

Wait, you guys can click in grub?
- Wouldn’t be shock for me if it existed. You can definitely do that in rEFInd though

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Simple fix here. Just get rid of your Windows partition.
- I did this on my new laptop. feels_good_man.png
  
  Welcome and enjoy!

Too real. I booted up windows last week because I wanted to test something quickly before going to bed... starting it and testing my thing took about 5 mins; but then shutting down took more than half an hour.
- Try ghost spectre. It's a custom windows that rarely gets update. I didn't has any problems even with cracked games. But then I left windows for Linux
  
  custom windows that rarely gets update...
  sounds like an amazing idea.

wish you could install only security updates
- Long term service branch exists on 10.
  
  Only for Enterprise tho

Happened to me just yesterday.
Wife: what are you doing? Me: pushing the hard reset button. Wife: it's not possible. Windows started booting up! Me: No, it's necessary.

I was afraid of exactly this happening. So I just deleted my partition when I fully committed to Linux a few years ago.

But I can’t change the taskbar size
- This is actually crazy, its too big

Hello

At that point, wipe out windows, expand your partition and reinstall grub

systemd-boot for anyone that is tired of GRUB/Windows antics.
- How does it fix that?
  
  Truthfully, I don't know what the secret sauce is. In my experience: system d boot is very simple and allows us to hook directly into the bootloader without any fuss. GRUB seems to be an operating system of its own and windows knows how to hook into it if you will.
- Yeah, I've been using systemd-boot for over 6 months, close to a year, and I've never had issues with Windows. And I've been dualbooting a lot. Multiple times, using different windows editions, like AtlasOS, or Windows after Winutil, and my sytem has never broken because of Windows and boatloader shenanigans. And to top it all off, in all of these instances, I had Windows installed AFTER Linux, and the only tbing I had to fix after install is to change the boot order so Systemd-boot takes priority.

For me it was the opposite. I had Ubuntu installed and wanted to do a upgrade to the next release, took around 2 hours "settings things up" where I just said fuck it and force closed it.
- My experience with big release distros was like that. I rarely had an upgrade complete without issue. Rolling release has been good to me so far. Granted, this was 10 years ago and things gave probably gotten better since.
  
  Never had an issue with Debian upgrades
  
  Which distro with rolling release do you prefer?

In the Windows community I'm guessing the top message would say:
When you install Linux but didn't realize a dozen locales were preselected
- “I keep having packages that are not updated when I run apt update; apt upgrade - no matter how many times I type it!!1!”

I have a laptop still with Windows 10. I got it from my late sister about 4 years ago, booted it up, went and installed Ubuntu (18.04 at the time), and never touched Windows again.
I later read somewhere that W10 was forcibly upgrading itself to W11, so I'm afraid to even boot into it. Should probably take some time to copy everything important over and finally nuke it.
For reference, I've been using Linux since around 2012.
- It doesn't forcibly update, but it asks in a fullscreen window that looks as if the update started. Just click no thanks/cancel and it will continue to show the desktop. The window returns sometimes, but not always.
  
  Good to know, thanks.
  Still, I won't touch Windows if I can help it.
- If it isn't encrypted you should be able to mount the Windows partition from Ubuntu
  
  This little trick bypasses windows passwords btw, booted puppy on my disused win10 machine a while back and mounted my drive without needing my "unlock windows" pin. Used it to rescue files because that win10 install won't pass that pin screen anymore, just input the pin and then black screen forever like it can't load.
  
  Oh, it isn't encrypted. I've mounted the partition before. I just didn't find the time (read: I was lazy :P).

I mean, if it was accidental then... Just turn it off and boot back into Linux? You realise you can just turn it off while it's downloading updates, right? Heck, you can even pause updates long term if you want! 😱 Crazy!
- As someone who has turned windows off while it's updating, don't do it. You might be lucky enough to only have some files deleted
  
  I did that once, the registry stopped working. Turns out it can't boot without that
  
  I never said to do it while it's in the middle of changing stuff, but if you just booted you can turn it off and nothing will happen because worst case it will just be downloading without installing, as someone else mentioned, once updates are installed you can even turn off without applying updates if you want and you can also tell it to only download and not install unless you tell it to or not download at all.
- If you're going that way, Windows is not going to suddenly start updating when you simply boot it. You have to willingly click "Update and Shutdown/Restart" instead of "Shutdown/Restart", assuming your computer even finished downloading the update.
  
  I have a Windows 10 partition on a second machine. I have disabled automatic updates in the options and I never click "Update at restart" or anything. Yet, whenever I need to boot into Windows it decides to automatically start updating itself.
  I guess that I use it infrequently so there are always updates available, but it shouldn't force them on me when I've specifically disabled them.

this one i don't understand im in windows insider beta so i get a lot of frequent updates but i never notice them because windows has gotten good at only doing them when im not on the computer. so ill wake up and they're already completed
- Your experience is vastly different from mine.
  My GF had a Windows laptop until this week and her last straw was three reboots in a row, each with over an hour of waiting for updates on shutdown and startup. She never asked for the updates, and wasn't asked ifbahe wanted to perform them.
  Now her password is required for any updates, and she controls her computer,as it should be.
- Lol is your OS always on?
  
  Unfortunately, windows likes to wake your computer from sleep to update and reboot without your permission. All unsaved work be damned.

After buying a steam deck and seeing how good everything worked I just yeeted my entire bootdrive. Never looked back ever again (Then again I still own a surfacebook so it's not fully commiting)

Oh man, I KNOW

Man, imagine using GRUB.
- what do u use? genuinely asking. i use systemd-boot bc its default for my distro
  
  I dunno about the guy you're responding to, but I run rEFInd
  
  Systemd-boot
- Its poorly the defacto standard on most common distros
- What's the problem with GRUB and will it impact someone who sees the boot menu maybe three times a year at most?
  
  Nothing is wrong with grub, I'm taking the piss by saying quippy things on a meme post.

@dinosaur game I'm sure this was a request of many

Just use Windows Update Blocker 🤷.
https://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-update-blocker-v1-8/
- Just use some unknown program in binary form downloaded from random site that require adminstration access and God knows what it does, because Windows don't have an option or config file to change simple thing👌.
  
  The thing that annoys me the most with this is powershell “modules.” Like the most recommended module to use powershell to update windows… just has a raw DLL in its repo
  https://github.com/mgajda83/PSWindowsUpdate
  The source code is just “run routines from this binary file, that you will never see the source code of”
  
  You can, in Windows, boot into a no network safe mode and set various registry and group policies to stop Windows updates.
  If you're particularly frisky, there are alternatives to the WSUS, Windows Server Update Service you could deploy on your local network.
  It's a lot of work, though.
  
  Have been using it for a while, does nothing malicios, plus I've done some RCE on it, as far as I'm aware, there is no malicious code in it.
  And I would love to know how I can stop automatic updates in Windows with a config file... cuz... you know, Windows never uses the registry for those kinds of things.
- ChrisTitus Winutil setting updates to "security only" is a solution. This is dangerous, even more as Windows is a malware target
  
  Did you have windows updates enabled by default (automatic) in versions prior to Win10?
  And you get security only with LTSC. Plus, it has no apps, so it's a double win.
- Nah. WuMgr is what you want.
  
  Yeah... this doesn't stop automatic updates... or at least it wasn't mentioned in the description.

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