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1y ago

Debian being insanely stable

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Hand starts shaking when he can't update once an hour.
- His palms are sweaty
  
  Knees weak, as update not ready.

I started my Linux journey in the 90's with Red Hat Halloween. I'm sick and tired of troubleshooting and Debian based distros have been fully painless. Those of you learning your craft should absolutely try to manage things like Arch, just leave my old and tired ass be and I'll sit here with my old kernel and cheer you on.
- Yup - if your goal is to use Linux to learn how Linux works and how it's all put together then Arch is awesome. If you've got stuff to do and Linux is a tool to reach another goal, not so much. I like my tools to be stable, reliable and predictable.

Whenever you get bored:

~$ sudo docker run -it --rm archlinux bash [root@5452124778b3 /]# pacman -Syu :: Synchronizing package databases... core downloading... extra downloading... :: Starting full system upgrade... resolving dependencies...
- Its easier to use distrobox with podman
  
  Could be. I know docker and this looked like a nail.
  
  this coming from someone who used podman for years for hours for development every day.
  podman is cancer, it's way better to use docker rootless.
  podman will break if you sneeze at it, and the only recourse you will find in github is to podman system reset which stinks of bad programming.
  docker rootless never breaks, podman may die if you cancel a download because the devs were either inexperienced or bad and instead of protecting the state with atomic filesystem operations they leave dirty files in working directories which make it fail in random and unexpected ways.
- Wait...is that all it takes to install arch in a docker container? Does this include a GUI or is it for terminal Haxxorz only?
  
  Terminal only. Though in theory you should be able to expose a port to access an X or Wayland session remotely to use a GUI, but I haven't tried this.
  
  Yes. It even pulls the image for you if you don't have it.

There's the old saying that Debian is available in three flavours: Stale, rusting and broken.
- All of which are quite stable.
  
  Stable in the distro context refers to how often packages change. Sid (which is the one that's broken in that) is not that. The other 2 are stable in that sense, but older software can sometimes be shaky on newer hardware.
- broken saying
  FTFY

I really like Debian, but for some reason my not-new-laptop didn't liked it. Issues with suspend, the WiFi and the NVME drive made me to nuke it last Wednesday and in its place I installed Fedora, which seems to play better with the hardware. At least I don't have problems with it in my desktop.
- If you're running Debian stable, your hardware was probably too new for the kernel. Unless they changed their development paradigm when I last ran it, stable is always 2-3 years behind mainline Linux software aside from security patches. It's one of the key reasons why it's so stable.
  See the
  on the official wiki.
  
  I mean, my laptop is a Dell from 2018-2019 with a 8th gen Core i5, so I don't think is too "new" 🤷🏻‍♂️.
- Go to debian-testing. Your dayli updates are back too
  
  Been there, done that. It wasn't a bad experience, but also not a good one.
  
  A testing/sid hybrid is awesome on my hardware. These guides are pretty useful for keeping things sane:
  https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-run-debian-sid-relatively-safely
  https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable

Can I talk about our lord and saviour, NixOS, in these parts?
- I've tried nix and its just not it. Its got cool ideas tho!

Well, Debian Sid is rolling-release if that's your liking

As a Debian user I agree with Loius Rossmann's sage advice.
Edit: (make sure you enable unattended security upgrades at least so you can pretend that you only update once every few months)
- For those missing context, Rossman uses a software that helps view the layout of Mac hardware... and it breaks literally constantly.
- That made me laugh at my work desk ty

I use BSD BTW
- Freebsd be like: where getopt
  
  Specifically, OpenBasedSecureDistro, with a desktop environment, for gaming
  Please send help, thanks

i use void linux and apparently it is a stable rolling release
- Yeah and I'm a small-headed Arch user

- Explain
  
  well tested rolling, you literally have the arch update wall of terminal every week but it is a bit more stable with great tools like snapper should anything go a bit wrong
- I love opensuse and I've switched back to it from arch on two of my three computers, but the one thing I miss is the speed of pacman. I'll be working on something with an arch user and need to install something new and by the time zypper has refreshed the repos, pacman will have completely finished the whole installation

Use MX Linux instead, it's all the power of Debian with up to date everything.
- It is? I don't see a mention of that on there website
  
  Well, I have kernel 6.5.10, latest Firefox (in .deb) etc

Are you me?) P.s been daily driving arch for 5 years and now switching back to Debian

Never had any issues with Arch

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