WATCH: Hamas blocks IDF fuel delivery to Gaza's Shifa Hospital
WATCH: Hamas blocks IDF fuel delivery to Gaza's Shifa Hospital
The IDF released three separate recordings of the event.
By MAYA ZANGER-NADIS NOVEMBER 12, 2023 19:09 Updated: NOVEMBER 12, 2023 21:26
Israeli security forces delivered 300 liters of diesel fuel to Shifa Hospital in Gaza early Sunday morning and later received intelligence indicating that Hamas had intercepted the delivery, according to a Sunday night IDF statement.
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The "evidence" of edit: stealing fuel provided by IDF is some phone conversation where someone says Hamas will take the hospital's fuel reserves.
The official can be heard in the recorded call saying that Hamas has fuel reserves of over half a million liters under the hospital and that if further fuel was brought into the Strip, Hamas would take it as well.
Then the evidence of blocking fuel is again a representative speaking on what Abu Rish says...
"Abu Rish doesn't want this amount [of fuel]. We are trying to convince him."
Such claims about Hamas are certainly plausible, but I call into question their authenticity, because it's possible these calls are fabrications by the IDF if they aren't independently verified. The information war occuring alongside the actual war makes it difficult for me to read through Hamas and IDF bullshit.
Edit: clarified my point a little. Yes they can say they delivered fuel to the hospital with a video that's fine. It's the "they're stealing it" part I'm not entirely convinced.
The evidence is they fucking filmed themselves dropping the fuel off.
No geotag, just some nvd footage. Could also be easily fabricated or repurposed footage.
When the hospital did run out of fuel earlier, they did confirm thay Israel hadn't responded to any requests then, so it's possible something did change since that time, but it's also equally likely nothing new actually developed.
Dropping off enough fuel to run the hospital for half an hour? Who cares? It was a PR stunt that would have made no difference. 300 liters is a pittance, an insult, a photo op, a lie to make suckers who can't conceptualize volume think they made an effort to help. 300 liters is less than 80 gallons. This would be enough diesel to run a generator for one RV at full capacity for about 3 days, not a hospital with a ton of lights and computers, a ventilation system and a bunch of kids on life support. They sent enough fuel for one family to go glamping for a weekend.
There's literally pictures of the fuel tho?
My mistake, the part I'm calling into question is the "Hamas is stealing the fuel", I didn't word my comment properly.
And this fuel would be enough for ... (wait for it) 30 minutes. The hospital requires 9000-10000 litres a day.
And don't forget that until recently IDF was refusing to admit that the fuel is running out in the hospitals and now they offer 300 liters. How generous of them.
Oh and those babies, that they offered to transport, how are they going to arrange it? Seriously this will require special transportation, with transport incubators, special personnel and should deliver them to another hospital with enough fuel and equipment and guess what there isn't such a hospital in Gaza.
But again this also comes from the IDF who were refusing to admit that there is a humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza and that they are the reason for it.
If we were to be devils advocates for a second here.. if you knew that the terrorists that you're trying to wipe out would steal any fuel you send in, but everyone keeps telling you to do it anyway, would you send 9000 litres and resupply your adversary or would you send a few hundred litres and record what happens to make a point?
Finally ! someone with common sense !! Thank you
Especially since you can send another 300 liters, or even more, as soon as you see it actually going to the hospital.
Also, the hospital most certainly does not need 10000 liters a day for critical equipment. (To run everything like normal, maybe.)
Yep, it's a real common problem when the government of a country (Hamas in this case) is fundamentally untrustworthy. Makes delivering meaningful aid near impossible.
The current governing party of the Palestinian State is Fatah, that government is not recognized by all nations however, those countries recognize an Israeli occupation instead. What government problems are you referring to by the way?
That's not the case on the ground in the Gaza Strip and hasn't been for over a decade now.
I don't really trust things coming out of jpost at face value.
Is there a reason why? Like I've seen i24 post heavily editorialized headlines, same with a few other outlets. But jpost seems to me to put out headlines and content on par with say the Washington Post on terms of it's reliability.
Like is there an article, or event that cause so many people to out of hand dismiss jpost? Jpost gets dismissed more fully than literal spam sites.
I'm sure the Jerusalem Post is who we should be listening to on this matter.
And people are mad at IDF for not doing a cease fire when Hamas is literally stopping humanitarian aide to the people they claim to represent for their own purposes.
Are you under the impression that people like Hamas? We can be mad at both of them.
This incident among others highlights exactly why IDF and Israel as a whole can't commit to a cease fire for the same reasons Ukraine couldn't just try to make peace with Russia. The agressor in both situations is only going to be satisfied when they wipe out every trace of the others existence, would you agree to a truce with someone you know is only going to use the ceasefire to find another opportunity to kill you? Hamas entire reason to be is drive a wedge between the Israeli and Palestinian people and prolong any suffering by Palestinians to justify carrying out war crimes against their neighbors with zero regard to the safety and well being of anyone not fighting for them.
I actually have the impression. It's always "yes hamas is bad BUT..."
We're mad at all the propaganda blaming Israel for decisions not made in a fucking vacuum.
Doing nothing has progressively made the situation worse over the past 17 years every time. Limited engagements have lost them the information war and produced severe international backlash and still not eliminated Hamas. Large scale combat operations were always going to be this bad on civilians. It always is. This isn't counter insurgency. They are fighting a full on war and it took a massively resourced and foreign supported terrorist attack on civilians to get them to commit to it.
It's almost half an hour of fuel. For a hospital.
It's a useless gambit by Israel to make a point.
It was probably a test run to see if it would make it to it's destination. Would half an hour of fuel go to the hospital or would a days worth of fuel go to Hamas. Looks like the test was a success and further humanitarian efforts will be scrutinized further just thrown out the window.
I said this in one of the other posts... We require that people match the headline on the post to the original headline on the article.
If you have a problem with the headline, and it's word for word the same as what is on the article, take it up with the publication writing the headline.
I used the auto suggested headline.
I know, and what you did was fine. I had a report of the headline being editorialized.
As long as you didn't editorialize it, we're good.
Nobody will fault you for using the auto suggest or copy/pasting the existing headline.
Really, the only danger in that is if the original source changes the headline on you, which CAN happen, but that's not on you.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The first was an audio recording of an exchange between a representative of the Coordination and Liaison Administration (CLA), which implements civilian policy regarding the Israeli government's activity in the Gaza Strip, and an official from Shifa Hospital.
IDF Spokesperson R.-Adm. Daniel Hagadi said the military would help evacuate babies from the hospital, at the request of the staff at Shifa.
Israel has said doctors, patients, and thousands of evacuees who have taken refuge at hospitals in northern Gaza must leave so it can tackle Hamas terrorists who it says have placed command centers under and around them.
Ahmed al-Mokhallalati, a senior plastic surgeon at Al Shifa, told Reuters there had been continuous bombardment for more than 24 hours.
Earlier in November, the IDF released proof that Hamas was stealing fuel from Gazan hospitals.
Two days later, they released a recording of a Gazan health official explaining how Hamas stole fuel from Shifa Hospital.
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So the IDF just dropped them off somewhere at the curb instead of actually delivering it to the hospital and now wonders why the Hamas took the stuff?
Because that's what was negotiated.
Why is fuel being blockaded in the first place?
Israel is starving out the civilian population and then acts shocked when terrorists steal from civilians.
Hamas puts their rocket launchers next to schools, so the only way to take out their ability to launch rockets at Israeli civilians also has a high likelihood of damaging the school. Hamas puts terrorist HQs in tunnels under hospitals, weapons caches in apartment buildings, and so on. This is deliberate; the point is to increase Palestinian suffering in order to ensure that Palestinians and Israelis cannot make peace, with the ultimate aim of establishing a new Islamic State in Palestine.
Unlike the PLO, Hamas has never been signatory to the Geneva Conventions. Hamas explicitly repudiates the notion of a civilian/military distinction, both for Israelis and for Palestinians.
You see to be justifying that? As in "well of course the terrorists are stealing the fuel"? And yet you are at the same time blaming Israel for the fuel shortage? Wow.