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Tesla will sue you for $50,000 if you try to resell your Cybertruck in the first year

www.businessinsider.com Tesla will sue you for $50,000 if you try to resell your Cybertruck in the first year

Tesla may agree to buy the truck back at the original price minus "$0.25/mile driven" and any damages and repairs.

Tesla will sue you for $50,000 if you try to resell your Cybertruck in the first year::Tesla may agree to buy the truck back at the original price minus "$0.25/mile driven" and any damages and repairs.

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This is, surprisingly, not that unusual for vehicles in high demand. It's to prevent flipping.
GM does it on certain vehicles as well:
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/08/gm-restrains-customers-from-flipping-cars-but-not-dealers-from-charging-ridiculous-markups/
(the C8 Corvette Z06, GMC Hummer EV, and Cadillac Escalade-V if you want to know without clicking the link.)
- GM wasn't harsh enough IMHO. They should have black listed people who immediately flipped base C8s for significantly more than MSRP. Base C8s (not Z51) going for over 100k, with miles on them, was fucking ridiculous.
  I'll say it now: car dealers are useless dinosaurs and there is no point to having them anymore. I don't need a dealer to tell me what options I want on my car. I can select those on a webpage after I've reviewed the available options. I need a place to take my car for service if it's a factory failure / warranty work. I can do the rest myself or pay another focused professional to do the work.
  
  Yeah, pretty much every Hummer EV I saw was at a dealership lot, used, and marked up $100k
  
  I really like your second paragraph!
  
  Agreed, but I absolutely need somewhere to test drive the car as well before purchasing. There’s no way I would buy a car without it.
- I'm no fan of flipping/scalping but the choice of the degradation of ownership is much worse. If they really own the car then they aught to be able to resell it.
  Prediction; this will extend beyond just high end cars.
  
  Like with other manufacturers with similar limitations, the limitation for resale is only for the first year. It literally is just to try and prevent people buying and flipping the car for a profit. If you don't like the vehicle you can sell it back to Tesla outside the normal return window. Or wait a year and sell it to someone else.
- Real estate and Ticketmaster: "Fuck yeah, flip that shit and inflate our markets to insanity!"
  Auto industry: "Fuck you, we do the inflating around here. Pay me!"
  
  Ticketmaster owns the resale sites too. And the venue.
- Shame though. Would absolutely love to see a guy with a garage full of these things because he couldn't find enough crypto bros to gouge.
  
  I imagined them stacked on top of each other haphazardly, piled up in a garage with a sad white 30ish year old guy standing in the driveway looking sad.
- Kinda curious why the company doesn't raise their prices to fit demand then, since clearly, demand exists that allows those products to be sold for more (else the scalpers couldn't profit). Not saying they should charge more, I'm just curious why an entirely profit-driven entity like a company wouldn't charge as much for something as demand would allow for, it seems out of character?
  
  Part of it is allowing the dealers to profit. If they price too high, there's no wiggle room and incentive for the dealers to order the car.
- Same with Ford F150 Lighting when it came out. Not sure if it still stands.
- It’s to prevent _flipping scalping
  
  Somehow I get this weird feeling that the cybertruck will flip all on its own. ;)

Hey look, freedom!
- Not sure what you are talking about. I have the freedom to not sign some dumbass agreement with tesla and not purchase a shitty looking cyber truck, and I will use that very freedom. No one is being forced to take this deal.
  
  You have the freedom as long as it stays niche. Having no protections against such practices means they have a chance of becoming so commonplace as to be unavoidable.
  
  "Just don't buy it" is a time-limited argument. If it becomes the norm to require signing a contract for ownership then you'll have to argue "just don't buy a car". If you don't like cars then maybe that's okay but for other items that position sucks ass.
  
  Pfft, look at this cat over here…Why would you not want to own a life size version of a poorly made pinewood derby car-truck? I, for one, am willing to let them install a 5G chip in my brain as an accountabili-buddy. I bet I survive at least 3 months with the bill gates chip!
  
  The dumbass agreement is the problem, not the buyer.
  Imagine this:
  If I were the second hand buyer of such a vehicle (yes, that means the original buyer has violated the dumbass agreement), would you say then that I am bound to the dumbass agreement too?
- Freedom for scalpers! Yay!

“ Given the subscription model of much of the software Tesla EVs use, resale can be complicated. The Full Self-Driving feature, which costs up to $199 per month, is not transferable to a new owner, Fast Company reported.”
Just another reason I’m never buying
- $199 per month?! Fuck me that's moronic.
  
  You don't understand. It's not like the self-driving feature is just software where they can price it at whatever they want. It's physically consuming brain cells every month. And those aren't free you know!
  
  For my region it's one time fee 9k $ "only".
  It is hilarious given the fact you can't legally use it so it turns into better break asistent 😅
  
  Especially when you realize how bad, unfinished, and dangerous it is. You’re literally paying to be a crash test dummy / AI trainer for them. They should pay YOU.
  
  They should make a discount for every person the self driving software hits. That shit would be basically free.
  
  That's just the new subscription cost. It is meant a san alternative to the full purchase cost.
  As functionality has been added, the price has increased over the years, the current price is $12,000 for the FSD upgrade over basic Autopilot.
  The subscription also lets you try it out and cancel if you don't want it instead of having to make the decision up front for thousands of dollars.
- Wait so another owner can never have that or..?
  
  I mean it's not actual "full self drive" to begin with. It's a lame impersonation of more advanced self driving vehicles that aren't even being sold yet. That doesn't matter to the elon fans though.
  The lie that actually gets people killed, while also tainting the overall perception of autonomous vehicles. Thanks elon.
  
  It's just that the license isn't transferable. The second owner has to (re)license the software from Tesla. Irrespective of whether the seller has a "perpetual" license.
  
  I read it as the second owner would have to pay for it themselves to (re)unlock it. So Tesla would get paid twice for the feature in one car.
  
  When I sell you my PC, you don’t get all my software licenses, games, and my internet service for free with it. You have to get your own licenses / subscriptions to those.

Capitalism is so schizophrenic. Is supply and demand in a free market meant to decide the value of goods or not?? If regulations and penalties are required, why not across the board??
- A company is not capitalism. Pure capitalism without any regulation doesn't work, because it tends towards having one big company that controls everything. However, every single company by itself strives towards that goal, bribing politicians to get its way when necessary. Thus, if those bribes go unpunished (like through the Citizens United decision in the US), capitalism eventually eliminates itself.
- Tesla doesn't want some other company to buy all its vehicles and turn around and sell them at a higher price, damaging the press around the Tesla brand and stopping its cars from getting to would-be Tesla super fans. It's the same reason stores will sometimes say "limit 2 per customer" on certain items.
  That's one reason, anyway.
- If regulations and penalties are required, why not across the board??
  for thee, not for me
  as always
- It’s all well and good in theory but when you have a hit item to sell, you don’t want to make scalpers rich doing it. Absolute freedom = shit show every time. Peolle really need to grow up and learn how to be conservatives without being literalist absolutists about every damn thing.
  
  you don’t want to make scalpers rich doing it
  But why not? Surely people have the freedom to spend their money on legal goods?
  I understand the situation; Tesla can't make money selling to the general public at scalper rates, and scalpers are somewhat eating into Tesla profits. It's all a scheme to ensure money goes to corporations first. That's why the pharmaceutical industry is so fucked.

The best solution to this problem is not to buy one in the first place.

It is bizarre how much of a comic book villain Musk has turned in to.
- What do you mean "Turned into" ?
  
  He probably always was a bit of a right-wing loon, but everything about him over the last few years screams "cry for help".
  If he were a normal pleb, he'd have probably lost his job, or had a friend tell him that he needs to seek professional help. Because he's a billionaire, I assume people just say he's "eccentric" and laugh while people push him to do more crazy shit.
  He doesn't realise it, but people are laughing at him, not with him. He's a performing monkey for the apathetic, and aspirational for the morally questionable.
  
  I think the correct phrasing should be "turned out to be"
  
  Apparently some people are okay with extreme racism so long as you convert it into money first.
  
  There was a time when he was like “watch this, I’m going to make the entire auto industry go electric to help save the planet.”
  And he has pretty much done that. Great for him. But yeah other shit like his antisemitism and childish tweet wars have dialed up in recent years. Now he’s ruining Twitter itself because he doesn’t believe in content moderation or rules of engagement in a forum. Unless it’s tweeting already-public data about his plane transponder! Oh then it’s wrong! His pro-Texas bullshit and his anti-union bullshit has gotten stronger and stronger. He’s posting pictures of his gun now.
  Yeah. The guy has changed. Maybe this is always who he was going to be. Maybe this was always who he wanted to be. But he wasn’t necessarily this guy, always, outwardly.

Jokes on them. I’d never buy one of these hilariously abhorrent piles of shit.
- I used to think Teslas were cool. Now I just see the specter of Elon. Regardless, these look like a test for suckers.
- Behind the wheel of one, I'd feel like an asshole.
  
  Have you actually encountered a Tesla in the wild? They actually are all assholes.
- I honestly would rather have a cyber truck than a generic F150. Fuck Musk though, so I'll pass.
  
  There's a reason Ford sells so many F150s.
  They're great trucks.

While this is an asshole move, companies like Ferrari do stuff like this too. They, for example, do not allow certain modifications on their cars and if they find out that you have done them, they will ask you to restore those parts back to originals. It is unreal how much car companies try to get from us.
- Papa Enzo knows best. Don't understand how that's legal unless it's some sort of lease agreement
  
  Well, you're welcome to not buy a Ferrari if you don't like the strings attached, right?
- Implying this, less attractive than a Lego brick, thing is as desirable as a Ferrari is.... Insane
  
  Ferraris are dogshit just the same as this.
- Can I mount a towing hook for my camper?
  
  One of the things they don't allow is removing their logos and the ferrari name off the car, so I suppose adding a hook would be fine. I don't know if those cars are built for it, but I do think they would allow it.... Felt really stupid typing that, as if they need to "allow" anything on a car you would own.

Forget the obvious bullshit that is being unable to sell it. What's this about autopilot/FSD not being transferable?
Who the hell would buy this monstrosity of a truck. Be sure not to buy FSD since it will be a lost cost and never recouped for a capability that really doesn't work yet. $12,000 down the drain.
- Who would buy it? The same type of people buying new BMWs. We all hate them, but they sell like crazy.
- If you pre ordered it, you locked in the fsd price at the time which was 7k I believe.
  If you add FSD to a trade in service, you'll get 2-3000 back.
  So it's not as terrible a deal as buying it at full price right now where its unquestionably not worth it.
  But don't expect anything beyond level 2 for the lifetime of the vehicle.
  
  You wouldn't preorder a car.
  Or what was the saying again...
  
  I mean that is slightly better. Still a waste of money. Get enhanced autopilot and leave it there.

So is this thing actually called a "Cybertruck"? Because that sounds like something my 7-year-old would come up with. I hadn't really given it much thought until now...
- That's how Musk names everything. He loves the letter X, he named the Tesla models "S", "3", "X", and "Y", the Cybertruck, his five most recent children including "Techno Mechanicus"... He's absolutely unfit to be in charge of anything.
  
  Oh my fucking word, it's true
  
  Wow I never realized the letters/numbers for the Tesla models spells "sexy" in l33t5p34k
- It also looks like someone drew the initial plans for it in crayon on a napkin, so that checks out.
- I can't see it without seeing Homer Simpson in that car he designed.
  
  https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/The_Homer
- Musk being childish and you've only realised now? What hole have you been in (and is there space for one more?)?
  
  Oh no, I know Musk is childish. This was just the first time I thought about the name "Cybertruck."
- The glass punch during presentation was the sign of things to come.
- Cybertwuck
  
  Yeah, that's probably how my 7-year-old would pronounce it.

Absolute deal-breaker. I will not be dictated to on what I may or may not do with my personal private property, beyond the bounds of the law.
- Isn't the fact that the thing is ugly and poorly-designed more of a deal-breaker?
  
  There are multiple deal-breakers, yest.
- Well here's the thing, they don't want it to be your personal private property, nevermind that you bought it they still want it to be theirs.
  
  Fun fact, I could give a fuck what they want.
- Because otherwise, you would have bought one.
  
  In fact, I would not. But even if I would, this bullshit would be a deal breaker. It's basically saying "we know you're going to regret this purchase, but we're going to put a barrier in place to keep you from dealing with it." That's a gigantic red flag for any product.
- Did you write this on a PC or iPhone?
  
  I borrowed your mom's Zune.
- You weren't buying one anyway, what a weird comment.
  
  You seem highly interested in whether I would have purchased one or not. What a weird comment.

It’s shit behavior that should be illegal, but I also can’t feel bad for any moron that sees this truck and still agrees to buy it.
- In this situation there would be two morons
  
  Very true.
- Is this to be an asshole, or to avoid people reselling the car at x2 the price because of the lack of supply during the first year?
  I hate Musk, but if this is intended to prevent price go urging, it might be a good thing (see nvidia scalpers)
  
  Even with the best of intentions, which I doubt is the case here, a company that sells you a product shouldn’t be allowed to dictate what you do with the product once you’ve purchased it. They can be selective about who they sell products to, and use that as a barrier to attempt to stop scalpers. But once I own something if I want to turn around and resell it the manufacturer should have no say in that.
- So because your personal taste is not in favor of this car, you don't feel bad for people who happen to like it. Got it. Moral superiority is alive and well.
  
  Agree with the sentiment but not the tone.

damn its ugly af

what game is this
- Satisfactory
  
  The driver's seat is placed several meters below the vehicle, causing the pioneer to clip through the ground.
  Hahahahhahaaa!
- Something on the PS1
  
  Twisted Metal 2023
- Looks like someone modded Gran Turismo 2 and is playing on an emulator on a 8-year old PC.
- Maybe trying to discourage reselling market because of high demand and low supply. Similar to graphics cards, except nvidia does not do anything
  
  Yeah if Nvidia did this It would actually be amazing

Implying they produce enough to sell any at all, anyone is dumb enough to buy one, anyone if dumb enough to buy it off another dummy who bought one.
This is just Tesla stirring up a story, and trying to make it seem like anyone wants one of these monstrosities, and that they can make them.
- I have a friend who preordered a cybertruck. But then again he also bought a model 3 and model X.

This is great: I was so frustrated by lack of availability for XBox, from all the scalpers. Same with tickets to pretty much everything. Same with Raspberry Pi. Look at how the eEVs like the Hummer and Lightning were hurt by both dealers and scalpers making vehicles hard to get and excessively priced
- Scalping works great for those lower ticket items with tiny profit margins and high demand. Idk if it's something cybertruck needs to worry about being none of those things.
  
  Apparently it was a problem when previous Tesla models released

How is this legal in the US given the first sale doctrine?
- Ferrari has some similar bullshit, but you agree to it in a contract when you buy the car. If you refuse they simply don't sell you the car.
  (Ferrari chooses you, not the other way around)
  
  If you refuse they simply don't sell you the car.
  Sure, question is of course: will they be able to do something about it if you agree to the terms and sell it anyway. I don't think 'breaking' an agreement based on unlawful stipulations is actionable (ianal)
- How does Monsanto avoid this?
  They sell you seeds. You can grow things with those seeds, but you cant plant the grown plants' seeds.
  
  In that case, it's a patented product that happens to reproduce itself as part of its normal operation.
  In this case, it's just shitty business behavior.
  (To be clear, no, living organisms should not be patentable. But it'd be fucking hilarious if patented genes went feral.)
  
  It's even worse than that. You can buy seeds from the market place have no agreement with Monsanto but can't plant those seeds.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowman_v._Monsanto_Co.

I can't wait to make fun of one of these in the wild. What a stupid, ugly vehicle.
- are we doing the jerk off motion? I think it'd be pretty neat if everywhere you drove one of these people did the jerk off motion at you
  
  You need more meaningful things going on in your life.
- They are usually seen grazing together with tech bros
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How is that legal?
- I saw an episode of LegalEagle (I think it was about NFTs) and it's a terms of sale thing and he spoke about John Cena doing something similar with Ford:
  https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/12/02/ford-sues-actor-wwe-superstar-john-cena-over-his-car/915846001/#:~:text=Ford%20Motor%20is%20trying%20to,violation%20of%20his%20purchase%20agreement.
  I found the LegalEagle episode:
  https://youtube.com/watch?v=C6aeL83z_9Y&si=vONBqJ14_KZ65lF8
  It's around 6:49
  
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- lobut's explainer video explains the contract law provision, but to be honest, it's a deeply cynical use of contract law. The reason is that typically (and for nearly every piece of retail-sold property), you have property rights exactly like what everyone in this thread is intuiting. Those property rights absolutely would give you the right to resell.
  Contract law trumps those rights, and Cena signed a contract. That is where the discussion keeps ending. But a court, if it's circumspect enough, may continue the case long enough to examine how property and contract rights are in conflict. And it's entirely possible property rights may win in the end.
  Why? Because the contract may be invalid if it is "illusory." An illusory contract is as it sounds based on a false presumption of exchanged value ("consideration") or a false promise of performance from Tesla. Here, Tesla may be technically complying with contract consideration requirements by lumping the actual Cybertruck into the value exchange, which sounds right from a contract law perspective. However, if Tesla is not offering substantial value beyond what a typical retail sale would be, and if they are only offering the same ongoing services as typical retail customers, there is a small chance a court may decide that the contract is a pretext to in fact simply (and illegally) limiting property rights.
  That said, I'd give it maybe a 5% chance of success. Contract law is one thing most judges will almost never interfere with. Which is why Tesla and others are doing it. They typically only do it with cars like high-end sports cars.
  But importantly, it could become commonplace for anything you buy even at retail when combined with "clickwrap" agreements - i.e., agreements like in software that activate when you use or open the product. So it's very very important that we continue to push back on this.

This sounds like the kind of thing Ferrari does, that people accept because if you own a Ferrari you're kinda part of an exclusive club of rich assholes. Teslas are expensive but they're not "exclusive club" expensive, they're more like BMWs.
- they're more like BMWs.
  Complete with asshole drivers.
- Yeah, there's also the fact that rich wankers buy a limited edition car on pre-order, then sell that pre-order for more than they paid for it because it turns out even richer wankers also don't tend to plan ahead and will pay extra to jump the queue and have this year's fancy new model at the last minute.
  I know somebody that did this a few times, and then got stuck with a £100k sports car when a recession hit.
  Hah.

is this even legal ?
- Presumably, as a term of delivery, you'll sign an agreement not to sell with 50K USD as the liquidated damages. So, yeah probably.
- You can sue anyone anywhere anytime. If you have really good expensive lawyers you might just win.
- It probably is, a la Ferrari.
- it's been done before by plenty of other auto companies. I remember Toyota had that for the LFA, Ford did it with the GT, etc.
- Hopefully it gets challenged.
- I do not believe it would be unless you had previously signed a contact agreeing to the conditions. If that doesn't hold water I could see tesla arguing that you are allowed to sell the vehicle however you may not sell the software included in the vehicle as that's their intellectual property and they only authorized you to use it. And since you can't separate the software from the vehicle it would accomplish the same thing.

Sorry, I don't want to buy a car that looks like old Tomb Raider where Lara's boobs are triangular.

That vehicle looks like its trying too hard to be futuristic.
- It's like an extremely high resolution... Of what it would have looked like in a PS1 game. This looks like this is an asset from like Deus Ex on PlayStation.
  
  Even cars in psx games looked like normal cars. This is like that one snes 3d racing game.
- I actually really like the way it looks but
  I'm not a truck person, like at all
  Everything around it turns me off
  Especially the association to Musk
- It would be a really cool truck, and I think the looks wouldn't be so bad, if it actually lived up to the promises.
  Can't look like trash, especially ironically, unless everything else is 200%. Same reason fashion models can dress up in trash but regular people can't.

I recently saw one of these in the wild and they’re even more ridiculous looking in person. The photos don’t do it justice lol
- I’ve seen one or two in Austin. I assumed it was to drum up interest. They certainly stand out.

I wonder how many people signed up for the intent of flipping and will now back out. 🤞

This is a good thing!
It will reduce the number of flippers that but the truck just to sell it for more the next day.
- ain't no flippers coming for the cybertruck
  
  Come on now, let’s not be that delusional. Doesn’t matter if you love or hate Tesla/Elon Musk, but Tesla has become a juggernaut that hard to deny. I hate their cars, but it’s seems to be the most common modern car I see on the road (by modern I just mean newish cars).
  
  You're joking right? Imagine rolling up to the party in one of these.
  You are getting laid that night, probably with multiple people.
- Any idiot willing to overpay for that whateverthefuckitis gets what they deserve.

As much as I dislike Musk, I think this is a right move, as scalpers became a real plague during Covid.
But I am genuinely curious if they will ever sell it outside the US. This design seems far too dangerous for pedestrians and I can't believe that EU authorities would approve it. Aren't car hoods supposed to be of a very soft aluminium which is supposed to soften slightly the impact on a pedestrian in case of an accident? And what about if this monster is involved in front collision with some small car, like Renault Twingo here? I guess the chance of survivability of the Twingo passengers would be near zero.
Plus correct me if I am wrong but what happens if you have a small accident? Are they going to charge you for the full cast? Why aren't people more concerned about this? The repairability of this car looks terrible.
- Surely scalping can be addressed without infringing in my right to do what I like with my own damn property. Why is it better to let Tesla sue consumers than to just... limit the number of trucks a person can buy? 🤔
  
  Lol ferrari took away Steve Wyns Las Vegas dealership because he flipped his LaFerrari for an extra million. I will never not find that hillarious.
  
  No one is going to fucking scalp Cybertrucks lol
  This policy exists because they expect a lot of people to be unhappy with their Cybertruck, is my guess.
  Which sucks because I really wanted the aesthetic of this car to bring back more 80s-sci-fi to the vehicle market, as a lover of silly-looking vehicles.
  
  limit the number of trucks a person can buy?
  Useless. Here we have nominal tickets for events and that does not solve the problem by a very long shot, I suppose it would be the same for cars.
  
  It's in the terms and conditions when you buy the vehicle. I'd say that Tesla is within their rights. If you don't like the terms don't buy the car.
- ...I think this is a right move, as scalpers became a real plague during Covid.
  Tesla have no right to sue somebody selling their own property. This is just another attack on the concept of personal ownership by corporations.
  If the car is leased, fair enough, but the fact Musk thinks he can do this shows how all the power is with the wrong people.
  
  If it's leased, they can't sell it anyways
- Scalpers will find a way. Only normal buyers will be hurt by this move. Also car companies are putting in more and more proprietary stuff that only they can repair practically, and charge a fortune for it. Tesla is leading in that too afaik.
- Maybe it'll stop scalpers. More likely it has made the scalper's market at least 50k pricier to offset Tesla's desire to double dip on these trucks
- I expect Cybertruck will sell in places with a big truck culture. The US, Canada and Australia probably I think they will sell terribly in Europe where trucks are generally quite rare and disliked because they're not practical on public roads. I also foresee that the EU might get pissed off with Tesla's laissez faire attitude to safety critical stuff like - "unbreakable" glass, door releases, position of indicators, pedestrian safety and force them to change design to comply with more stringent regs.
  
  I don’t see this being very popular in Australia. It misses the mark for why people buy a Ute or dual cab here.
- The lawsuits won't succeed due to the first sales doctrine
- It’s basically the Sun Crusher of cars
- I don't think anything about any car is designed to soften the blow for a pedestrian. They usually have a crumple zone to dissipate energy in a collision but that isn't designed with pedestrians in mind. Also they would likely repair this like any other vehicle since the body is made up of several panels.
  
  They absolutely design cars with some pedestrian safety in mind. That's why hood ornaments went away and bumpers moved away from solid steel.
  I don't remember the exact numbers, but they have a metric along the lines of "X% of pedestrians survive impacts up to Y speed" that they need to meet.
  
  Yeah, I'd love to see the cars safety certificate.

I mean, if assholes can buy and flip houses, I should be able to buy and flip my poorly built cyber truck.

It was just up until last year that I dreamt of owning a Tesla. But now with all this shit and musk’s shit I’d be ashamed to own one.
- I kinda feel bad for the people who already had one before Musk showed his ass to the whole world. It's like they need to put a disclaimer on a bumper sticker.
  
  They exist.
  
  Oh he showed his ass long before the Twitter debacle you just had to look beyond the fake Tony Stark persona that had many people entranced
  
  I really dont understand this sentiment. Musk arguably started the whole push to EVs. He didnt invent tesla but for about 5-10 years, his presence at Tesla and their cars was what people thought when they said EVs. The tesla super charger system single handedly paved the way for future legislation.

So this thing is really happening huh?
- Not really, no. From what I read the first shipments are kind of a stunt because they still haven’t worked out their production issues. They are having to do a lot of work on each vehicle by hand. Which means each unit is going to have costs like a Bentley but be expected to sell for the price of a Ford.
  I really think this is a Potemkin delivery.
  
  Did anyone mention that it looks like a video game car but not from a good game, like one of those racing games that came free with the console in the 90s? If I see one on the side of the road I am going to hear a voice in my head scream "Wipeout! Radical dude!"

They should just break down, go full camp with it, and make it look like a Warthog from Halo. At least then it would have a gimmicky reason to purchase one.
Wonder how long it will take for body kits to come out for these things.
- Wonder how long it will take for body kits to come out for these things
  I'm thinking not long. Tesla body repair is already known to be super expensive, so applying that to flat stainless steel panels? I'm not even sure body repair is going to be immediately available.
  So in its stead, I'm betting a full on body replacement is ultimately going to be cheaper (and not in the ss that Musk insisted on).

So you don't own the thing you brought, you're going to be the biggest mug buying this

Can I set up an LLC and use that company to buy the car? Then, collapse the LLC, and sell the car at a giant markup to whoever’s dumb enough to buy it

Tesla is making it harder and harder to dare buy an electric vehicle.
- You can buy one, just don't buy a Tesla
  
  All the cool kids buying Leafs.

So, basically you can rent one of these pieces of shit for a whole year, for free, as long as you cover the gas and mileage fees? Cool cool. I personally wouldn't take one if you paid me to, but that seems like a good deal for some people who may want to take advantage.

But if you resell it to some chump for enough money then that is just Tesla taking their cut of the resale.

They just keep giving me more and more reasons not to buy a vehicle from Tesla.

I recently saw my first Tesla Semi and also Tesla Truck in the wild. The semi was pretty cool but the truck looked like a toy or a prop and was smaller than I expected.

Good grief, I have Hyundai Ioniq 5 and feels like it is better although my Ioniq is far cheaper than Tesla.
- From what I read, Musk’s insistence on the stainless steel design as well as his overriding his design engineers on multiple aspects of the program are forcing the first set of trucks to ship to have a significant amount of hand assembly, pushing the unit cost towards $200k.
  I’m going off of memory here, but the low end version of the truck was supposed to be in the $40-50k range. While they can bump those prices (I assume - I’m guessing the reservations people got let Tesla change the price), they’re going to see a lot of people dropping it.
  I can’t look at it without remembering the Simpson’s episode where Homer says “In the 80s, this is what the future looked like!”

Shit and they still haven't fixed that low-LoD bug yet?

Good. I don't want that piece of crap.

This is odd for us but Ferrari has similar contracts.
People may remember how Deadmau5 had to give up on his "Purrari". He was threatened with a lawsuit by Ferrari who was unhappy with his Nyan cat livery and colors. And this is not a one-off, Ferrari won't let you paint it in non-Ferrari colors and I believe they have restrictions on who you resell it to.
Deadmau5 replaced the car with a Japanese sports car that was happy for the marketing opportunity.
- How can that shit conceivably hold up in court? What's mine is mine.
  
  I bet someone determined could fight it but it would cost, and take time, and good luck getting your expensive, maintenance-heavy car serviced during and after the whole ordeal.
- I thought deamau5 git a couple McLarens after that.

and any damages and repairs
On a car that is known is be east to scratch?!

I suppose only US buyers can be gutted that way
- Nope, depending how you write the contract, you can do it even in EU, although probably you must write it as the now quite common offers in which you pay something for the first X years as if it was rented and then you can pay the rest or give back the car. Basically a rent with an option to buy the car at the end of the rent at a previously agreed price.
  This way you obviously cannot resell the car before the X years passed since it is not legally yours.
  
  Yea, you are describing leasing, which is a totally different thing.
  If you would try these shenanigans in a regular contract, your company would be a) sued to the ground b) don't sell one car...

Makes me wanna buy one just to fucking destroy it put it in the fucking crusher and strap dynamite to it.
- And send it back directly to Elin?
  
  Elin Moosk
  
  In small pieces.

This is the best summary I could come up with:
Tesla added a section titled "For Cybertruck Only" to its Motor Vehicle Order Agreement, which laid out the new rules.
But if a customer has a good reason to sell their Cybertruck, Tesla may agree to buy it back at the original price minus "$0.25/mile driven, reasonable wear and tear, and the cost to repair the Vehicle to Tesla's Used Vehicle Cosmetic and Mechanical Standards."
The Full Self-Driving feature, which costs up to $199 per month, is not transferable to a new owner, Fast Company reported.
First announced in 2019, the Cybertruck is Tesla's first new product in years, and it is expected to shake up the electric pickup-truck market.
Tesla originally said the price of the truck would start at $39,900, but it's likely to be much more expensive due to pricey building materials.
Elon Musk said in an earnings call earlier this year that it would take a year to 18 months before the EV truck can become a significant cash-flow contributor, adding that he hoped production of the Cybertruck would reach a quarter of a million annually by 2025.
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Considering the state the world is in, I'm at a point where news like this leave me totally indifferent. I used to feel concerned about privacy and freedom of choice when it comes to consumer goods but right now, with this company? I couldn't give less of a shit.
If you are rich enough to buy one of these abominations, you are rich enough to put pressure on the manufacturer to tell them you are not ok with this (if in fact that is the case).

They should let people sell at a loss if they want to, but otherwise I see no problem with this.
Edit: I guess it would be easy to fake the amount paid for the vehicle if they allowed selling to anyone.

What If its shite I it's past return and I don't want it anymore
- Read your contract. They get first chance to buy it back, only if they decline can you sell it elsewhere.

What is this, a dog rescue?

What is Tesla?
- Baby don't hurt me

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