Israhell’s exercise routine

That is an antisemitic generalization. The government and military of a nation is only a subgroup of it´s society. How would you like to be held responsible for the actions of your government and military, even if you did not vote for them and don´t agree with what they are doing?

From my antifascist perspective, an Apartheid state killing children is what is truly absolutely unacceptable.

That´s an obvious attempt to derail from topic and a weird thing to compare a meme with but I fully agree with the statement itself.

If diverse sectors of that society are not OK with war, Apartheid and murdering civilians, it’s on them to mobilize to stop that

What are you organizing to stop the crimes of your government? Would you like to be held responsible for the crimes of your government and it´s military, even if you did not vote for them?

not on the rest of the world to refrain from criticism just because the human rights violations their state actually commits are similar to delusional bigoted tropes about their religion.

Of course not but that criticism should be smart and differentiated. If it´s too generalizing, like this one, it can easily come across as antisemitic.

Also, criticizing the actions of a State, even a religious one, is not hate speech.

Maybe there is a misunderstanding? I assumed the national flag represents not just the state of a nation but also all of it´s citizens?

Israel is not Judaism and it’s not an ethnic group by your own admission. The idea that the Jewish people employ dark magic rituals that murder and consume children is antisemitic.

Sure, that is why I called it out when i saw the meme ...

The idea that the police and military of Israel, with the public at broad’s supports, kills children in the interest of national security is not.

Ask ultra-orthodox Israelis about this, you will be surprised.

We can distinguish between the two. You don’t seem to separate them, which is antisemitic.

You just claimed that the majority of Israeli citizens supports child murder, at the same time you are perfectly aware that this majority is Jewish, now who is being antisemitic?

This seems like a derailing attempt but you are touching a point that I strongly feel about. How the western governments and media are spinning a narrative of good Israel vs evil Palestinians is sickening me every day. It´s obviously just war time propaganda and not journalism. The western politicians constant repetitions of unlimited solidarity with Israel, while at the same time nobody even mentions solidarity with Palestinians is a huge shame for the west and unmasks all claims of moral superiority. This gets even more ridiculous when you compare the body counts of both sides and see that the losses of the Palestinians are always so much higher. Also, Gaza population is super dense so imo every bomb dropped there by IDF equals a war crime. I could go on like this much longer but I think you can get I don´t have a one dimensional view on the conflict.

Nothing of that justifies posting antisemitic memes that call all citizens of Israel child murderers though. Let´s criticize the ones responsible instead, the right-extremist government that is full of racists, their military which bombs civilians and the ultra-nationalist settler movement.

I thought we all could have a mature discussion about the topic but I am starting to see that this community is not interested in anything except circle jerking each other of and that people with a differentiated opinion are hated and accused of bad faith here. Enjoy your circlejerk, I am out of this totalitarian cesspool.

I never did that, you are a either liar or tripping.

Israel murdered more children in 30 days than the supposedly genocidal Russian army has in ultrathin in 560 days.

Curb your whataboutism, will you?

Equating Israel with Jewishness is antisemitic.

I agree with that statement but in this context it's just a lazy pseudo argument without actual relevance. Israel was founded by Jews, with the intention to create a country where Jews can be safe and the majority of it's citizens today are Jews. There is a star of David on that flag for a reason, you know. So while it is wrong to equate Israel with Jewishness, simply because one can be a Jew anywhere and independently of Israel, it is also trivial that Israel is obviously a jewish country and because of that, a meme accusing all of it's citizens of being child murderers, clearly plays with the old antisemitic trope that accuses Jews of murdering christian children.

Yes the “Jewish state” is a diverse society. Where the the first class citizens are all “good jews” recognized by the state. Any lesser Jews or god forbid Arab peoples are second class citizens.

I condemn the racist politics of the right-extremist government of Israel and the social segregation and severe injustice it causes. What is your point?

From an antifascist perspective this meme is absolutely unacceptable

There was this thing you all constantly choose to ignore, called the holocaust, that afaik not just a lot of antifascists see as a reason why Israel must exist, simply because otherwise the Jews will not survive capitalism.

Imagine being this fragile of a person. Log off now lmao.

But I´m having so much fun with you guys here?!

Dying on the hill that ANY criticism of the actions taken by Israel: The State is inherently anti-semitic

I never did that, in fact I always get in a fight with people who do that.However, the flag represents all citizens of Israel, not just the government. Learn to think more differentiated ...

Conflating Judaism and Zionism is antisemitism.

Of course it is and I would never said otherwise.

Zionism originated from Christianity, has nothing to do with Judaism

Really? I was under the impression that Herzl was jewish, not christian but correct me if I am wrong.

A lot of Judaism is flat out incompatible with Zionism

But I know that Jews are not allowed to kill and steal (occupation is theft of land) by their own rules, the ultra-orthodox are particularly vocal about it.

The Nazis were huge supporters of Zionism

Sure but obviously for all the wrong reasons

Palestinians are semites too

Obviously, this is getting boring, tell me something I don know yawns

You are falling for fascist propaganda.

I am explicitly not taking sides in the conflict. I have solidarity for the civilian victims on both sides and criticize the atrocities commited by the IDF just as the atrocities commited by Hamas. Now I am curious, please elaborate how that equals falling for any propaganda.

Chapeau! Thank you for this eloquent contribution, which has enriched the discussion immensely!