Hamas tried to send fighters to Egypt in ambulances for wounded Gazans — US official
Hamas tried to send fighters to Egypt in ambulances for wounded Gazans — US official
Israeli officials say inspectors uncovered oxygen concentrators for tunnels used by Palestinian terror groups inside truck carrying aid to Strip
Hamas tried to sneak its fighters out of the Gaza Strip in ambulances that evacuated dozens of wounded Palestinians to Egypt earlier this week, a senior Biden administration official said Friday.
Hamas had compiled a list of the seriously wounded that it wanted to evacuate from Gaza for treatment in Egypt, along with thousands of foreign nationals looking to flee the enclave.
The list was then vetted by Egypt and the United States, which found that a third of the names on it were of Hamas fighters, the administration official said, adding that the list was rejected and none of the 76 wounded Palestinians who were ultimately evacuated in ambulances out of Gaza were members of the terror group.
Isn't it convenient how every time the US or Israel bombs civilians they automatically know they we're secretly terrorists the whole time?
Almost as if they were intentionally targeting terrorists...
Not saying they aren't lying, but this proves exactly nothing.
You're absolutely correct.
Another plausible scenario is they're killing potential targets, but they're not too picky about it. And if anybody asks they will confirm that there were actually terrorists there
Or terrorist sympathizers
Or people who hang out with terrorists
Or people who live near terrorists
Or people who promote narratives that terrorists take advantage of ...
We just don't know, we know the explosions happen, we know people are dying, the rest is propaganda from both directions
Ya it's like they're using the multiple billions of dollars we've invested in spy satellites and other technologies to track people against Hamas or something....
Oh so they just have a big list of every Hamas member and can vette them from name alone?
Ahmad Awad? Yeah, sorry bud, there's a couple hundred of you on the list.
People have social security numbers, you know. It's not some desert with camels where everyone is called Ahmad Awad.
Really shameful that the US is aiding and abetting genocide.
I’m sure Hamas would slaughter the Israelis if they got the chance—oh wait they are. Both sides of the coin is genocide.
Par for the course. One group of violent European settlers defending another.
Maybe, I mean that would be exactly the sort of data I would expect my intelligence services to acquire. Especially in a place like Egypt that has suffered so much from the crimes of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Why not just let them through? Arrest them on the other side. They're terrorists right? Arresting them and giving them a trial shouldn't be an issue. They're vulnerable when they cross the border
Actually: why not let memebers of Hamas surrender themselves at the border? If it's a war, accepting voluntary POWs should be a net positive
Israel doesn't operate the Egypt side and Egypt wants to not be an active participant beyond maintaining the crossing. They especially don't want to run a PoW camp.
Working with the IDF directly to transfer prisoners to them would probably start shit in Egypt Sisi doesn't want to start as it would be seen as entering the war I guess. Iran backed Houthi rebels in Yemen are already doing War Crimes on Egyptian hospitals for their current stance.
Well, hopefully they instead just stay where they are, and being grievously wounded, die from them. Unfortunately some will probably survive to keep fighting.
Actually: why not let memebers of Hamas surrender themselves at the border? If it's a war, accepting voluntary POWs should be a net positive
Members of Hamas are considered part of the Muslim Brotherhood (as they started as an offshoot). And because of the mass murder and shit the Brotherhood has done in Egypt over the years; they've been summarily banned. So Hamas members are not allowed to enter Egypt.
That's part of why Hamas had to supply a list of names before sending them so Egypt could ensure no Hamas members were part of the list.
Why not allow them to pass and then arrest them at the border? Surely better than bombing random buildings that may or may not have Hamas fighters inside.
Doing that would prompt Hamas to stop cooperating with allowing civilians to seek medical assistance outside of Gaza.
Literally every humanitarian thing Hamas permits it does so with the intention of funneling benefits to its own fighters and members.
It's the same problem as African warlords intercepting and sitting on medical aid intended for impoverished villagers.
A system which perfectly excluded Hamas cronies and fighters from receiving the benefits is one which Hamas will begin targeting for attack because they would rather Palestinians die than be able to get aid through means outside of Hamas' approval and exploitation
Egypt doesn't want to deal with that. That's actually why what were reticent at first to help and why neighboring Arab countries won't take refugees. Radical militants have snuck in with Palestinian refugees before and caused civil wars. They even killed the King of Jordan in what was eventually called Black September.
Also allowing a war crime (using ambulances to transport fighters and/or arms) and defending it like this emboldens them to continue doing it to the detriment of civilians since they won't face consequences.
So, blow up buildings that MIGHT have actual terrorists but also DEFINITELY have civilians is the better course of action?
Israel is already breaking international law and committing war crimes in Gaza, so what's a few more?
Reposting.
Israel doesn't operate the Egypt side and Egypt wants to not be an active participant beyond maintaining the crossing. They especially don't want to run a PoW camp.
Working with the IDF directly to transfer prisoners to them would probably start shit in Egypt Sisi doesn't want to start as it would be seen as entering the war I guess. Iran backed Houthi rebels in Yemen are already doing War Crimes on Egyptian hospitals for their current stance.
Why not arrest them then, if they have proof of being terrorists?
Reposting.
Israel doesn't operate the Egypt side and Egypt wants to not be an active participant beyond maintaining the crossing. They especially don't want to run a PoW camp.
Working with the IDF directly to transfer prisoners to them would probably start shit in Egypt Sisi doesn't want to start as it would be seen as entering the war I guess. Iran backed Houthi rebels in Yemen are already doing War Crimes on Egyptian hospitals for their current stance.
Also allowing a war crime (using ambulances to transport fighters and/or arms) and defending it like this emboldens them to continue doing it to the detriment of civilians since they won't face consequences.
It's an active warzone.
2 / 3 palestinians in gaza support hamas. They won’t arrest them.
I understand the skepticism, but this is where it's good to know your history. Radical militants have snuck in with Palestinian refugees before in the past. This has happened before.
It's why Egypt was so reticent to accept refugees. These radicals have snuck in and caused civil strife. They even killed the King of Jordan, in what's called Black September. This is why neighboring Arab countries aren't taking in refugees either.
Hamas is utterly evil.
Oh I'm not really that skeptical of the report. Hamas has done this multiple times before.
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This explanation sounds too flimsy to believe. Seems more like a cover story after the fact for the insane bombing of hospitals and a caravan of ambulances within a clear pattern of overall genocide.
while considered a war crime those crimes only ever apply in some weird optic bullshit way like nobody gets punished for this shit at all so honestly I don't really care that they do this. I care more it takes from civilians but still feel Israel forces these tactics.
Meanwhile Israel is using WP weapons and nobody seems to respond to that.
This conflict is war crimes galore but one of these combatants has far more resources than the other. That power imbalance should be considered
It's not like Hamas hasn't been caught using ambulances to smuggle military goods around before.
I can believe this happens without condoning just bombing the shit out of any group of ambulances because they might contain fighters.
I think these hamas ambulances are as real as the middle eastern WMDs.
Forgive me if I don't take everything the US says on the matter at face value.
It was a joint verification with Egypt
aka terrorists do terrorist things
Turns out a lot of people on the left think the jihadist shit that hurts civilians is justified because their side is oppressed.
It's disgusting and perpetuates the cycle of violence. Before the current war things were improving. Israelis were fighting hard to remove Netanyahu from power, including the military (air force) striking.
Edit: No one cares about the Israelis (Including the 20% Arab citizen pop) entering the west bank at the risk of being murdered to defend Olive picking workers from Israeli settlers and IDF clowns who disgrace their uniforms.
Also trying to smuggle in military supplies in humanitarian aid:
Meanwhile, two senior Israeli officials told The Times of Israel that Israeli inspectors earlier this week uncovered several oxygen concentrators meant to aerate the tunnels operated by terror organizations in Gaza.
“These weren’t for use in the hospitals, but below them. That’s why they were smuggled among boxes of cookies,” one of the senior Israeli officials said, adding that the entire truck in which the oxygen concentrators were found was barred from entering Gaza.
I mean, how do they know where they're meant to be used? If Gazans can't get oxygen concentrators legally they're very much right to smuggle them.
The Israeli source was trying to claim these have no medical use but a quick Google search reveals that indeed they are mostly used for medical reasons and can be found in hospitals or at the homes of patients.
Fighters need medical treatment like anyone else when they get wounded, just saying ...
Like you said later, the world isn't simple good and evil. If they don't surrender, they don't get treatment. The IDF would hardly treat a member of Hamas and Hamas would hardly treat a member of the IDF. A group treating civilians can tell members of both to fuck off.
Nope, doctors even swear to not do that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath
Yeah these people killed and raped babies. Then they laughed about it. They don't deserve shit until they surrender.
The active Astro turfing in this thread, and on lemmy in general, when facts conflict with a pro Hamas narrative is fucked up.
E: You guys are making it really obvious when 5 or more down votes are applied all at once.
Yes yes, good to see the news from the unbiased source of…lowers glasses…Times of Israel
Other places are reporting it too. If you have a counter source please post.
Edit: the sudden flux of down votes is extremely suspicious and it's just a fact.
Reposting here
re: smuggling siege equipment (oxygen concentrators should be amongst the medical aid) amongst humanitarian aid food...
https://youtu.be/W4gDfSNMRx4?si=3NhT_Xt2Dxxkp3A- at around 6 minutes you can see Hamas using concentrated oxygen in the tunnels to refresh themselves. Lot of morons with "underground mine experience" who also don't know its a standard practice outside of Gaza. https://www.amsj.com.au/dont-hold-breath/
A highly divided topic is bound to have a larger percentage of downvotes, but votes don't matter so why care?
I don't actually care about votes it just shows how bitter some people are, and want to bury facts that conflict with whatever their entrenched position is to steer the conversation.
Believing there is a righteous cause side here (as in in Gaza) other than the actual civilians who don't celebrate and materially support violence against other civilians is a fools errand. Also fuck settlers in the west bank and Netanyahu im not even touching that with a ten foot pole it's just bad.
Unfortunately the situation had deteriorated to the point that Hamas is actively hurting their own people's chances at a peaceful life directly. It's just a tragedy.
Edit: lmfao at the salty loser who went through the entire comment history on this account and down voted every comment. That's all you can do, along with raging online, you aren't in the Levant. You're not from there. We don't care about your opinions.
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You are being downvoted because this isn't an excuse to kill civilians either. Some military faction smugglers foods? Well fuck me sideways I'd never have guessed... Now let's turn our eyes back towards Israel and the genocide it wants to commit.
Says the westerner to a Palestinian.
It's a lot more than just smuggling in food.
Right now there's videos being shared on Arabic news of Hamas gunning down their own people in the Evac corridor. The IDF is trying to clear the actual genocidal religious nut jobs out under fire. To save civilian lives.
Do I need to also remind you Hamas uses child soldiers? That half the dead kids in the 2019 protests were indoctrinated and martyring themselves?
That their fucking leaders called for my brother and sister's blood to flow?
The IDF has been restrained and you are all blind. You don't live there. You never will. Go read about the bombings of Germany and Japan and come back to me.
I mean, technically most of the Hamas fighters would be Gazans, so it's not like they were lying ...
Collective punishment is a war crime