1y ago

Music(rule)

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this post feels pro-nazi in a way that discomforts me
- I don't think it's pro nazi, why do you say that?
  
  It's just a possible implication for insisting on using Nazi iconography. Doesn't have to be true, it's just a natural implication with insistance. After all, a kid wouldn't insist on McD's unless they actually liked it. Yes, not necessarily applicable to art, but we're talking implications, not statements of fact!
- My apologies, I truly didn't mean anything along those lines. It is an important feature of the musical, but that's hard to describe in a four panel Yu-Gi-Oh meme. If that's the consensus though, I'm happy to remove.
  
  to me the flow of “anti-nazi org says no -> i found a loophole -> anti nazi org is shocked and defeated” feels uncomfortable to me. it’s not the subject matter or your point, but presented in this yugioh format it feels like it’s leaning on the wrong side to me.
  
  Oh gosh no you brought up a good point! We like that.
- How so? Its been a while since i watched it, but sound of music wasnt a pro-nazi movie? Kinda the opposite?
  
  SoM was indeed anti-nazi, yes. But this meme is about subverting an anti-nazi political body with a loophole, which shocks (and assumedly, from the comic panels, defeats) said political body. this part, which is not included in the original work, is what makes me uncomfortable.
- I feel that too. It’s easy to misconstrue as anti nazi people getting pwned. Then again it’s really old nazis getting pwned by anti nazi musical director
  
  What it actually is is "actual nazis not wanting people to know they were nazis" being pwned by "anti-nazis wanting to show how those actual nazis were actually nazis"
- I'm not sure how wanting historical accuracy is pro-nazi.
  Does a WWII war movie that accurately portrays the actions of Nazis feel pro-Nazi to you?
  Imagine instead they used some other stand-in for what Nazis really looked like. 100 years later, people will watch the movie and not make the connection between the people in the movie and the Nazis because the symbols aren't the same.
  Not a good outcome.
  This attitude that "we shouldn't accurately portray history because it's icky" is ... bad.
- Sometimes specificity is necessary for critique. I wonder how many analogs for Nazis and fascists were used in media back then, it feels like its a current trend and in the past they just used nazi imagery to be specific about who exactly are the enemies and assholes.

if you don't let them put up a nazi flag von trapp can't tear down a nazi flag

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