YouTube is increasing Premium prices in multiple countries, right after an ad-blocker crackdown | You either pay rightfully for the video content you consume, or you live with the ads.

I feel like I'm experiencing deja vu. Wasn't there a thread just like this yesterday?

Edit: There was!

ReVanced is by far one of the best solutions.

I have a question for people using sponsorblock. Why? How do you expect a content creator to pay the bills? I use an adblock because fuck Google but content creators pick up sponsorships specifically because YT pays like shit.

uyouplus and sideloadly/trollstore is great combo

Doesn't work. I have network wide DNS filtering, but that alone doesn't stop YT ads.

If you have a link to a GitHub host file for that, I'd definitely take a peak.

Otherwise, uBlock and *Pipe apps.

Try blocking the ads.
You will block the video serving domains as well :)

YT/Google aint that stupid and knows how to bundle both for your convenience.

yeah, ive been using vivaldi and only very recently did i see my player diabled with ubo off but if i disable ubo and put vivaldi's blocking option to just block trackers, that does the trick tho the ad starts with a black screen but the skip button instantly appears under .5 seconds or the video starts

Where was Google's concern for paying for infrastructure in the past? Google choose to bleed money which made it harder for smaller competitors to compete and take a share of the users, and now Google wants to have their cake and eat it too. Too damn bad.

I am unwilling to pay for the content while Google is where the content is. Odysee seemed shady to me so I stopped using it. Floatplane is proprietary and I'm trying to kick the nasty habit of using proprietary software, I don't want to start using new ones. I used to pay to listen to a podcast but I got tired of the content. I donate to Wikipedia.

You're getting unfairly downvoted. I agree with the negative sentiment around Google but the only semi-alternative is nebula but they obviously don't have the same amount of content. It's not reasonable to expect YouTube to operate for free

Youtube by itself produces almost no content. All content comes from content creators on the platform, which are getting severely underpaid by Youtube. If Youtube actually paid them their fair share, this argument would be somewhat valid.

... and dependent on Google ; they may either push that API into FF or push something different so bad that FF would lose even more users.

Thank fuck

Delayed... For now

Google also said they would cancel there plan to roll out FLoC after significant pushback a while ago, only to renamed it as Ad Topics and roll them out anyway when no one is looking. If Google do the same with web integrity API, I wouldn't be surprised anymore.

Yep, logged in and haven't seen a thing.

Anti Ad-Blocking Software would be (and arguably, already are) illegal as not only do ads count as a form of malware, but Anti-AdBlocks run scripts on YOUR machines without your consent, and thus are ALSO malware.

Enshittification, also called chokepoint capitalism, is a term coined by Corey Doctorow (sp?) that lays out a common pattern with platforms in a capitalist system where:

1. Platform builds a product to entice users to it for little to no cost to the user (Google search, Facebook, Amazon shopping, etc)
2. Once users are locked in, make the experience worse in ways that increase profits for business partners (Google ads partners, etc)
3. Once business partners are locked in, screw them over to rake back as many profits for the platform owner.

Sounds like it is.

They might be allowing them to run the boxes for free, but the ISPs are saving money on bandwidth, too.

Get enough users for the ISP to care and they'll work with you. Otherwise, you probably don't have all that many users to begin with, so the overhead that maintaining and distributing these boxes would create wouldn't be worth it anyway.

YouTube Music is included with YouTube Premium though so no need for Spotify if you have YTP.

If I had to choose, I'd swap my Netflix and Disney+ subscriptions for YouTube. I think I watch YouTube videos about three times as much as Netflix and Disney.

I already pay for Spotify. They knew exactly what they were doing when they lumped that shit in YouTube premium

They should offer it seperately.

I can't see the value in using youtube for music.. it's not like I can watch music videos in my car. That's worth $0 to me, and I imagine the majority. Spotify is better.. or apple music if you're on the fruit side.

They removed the dislike button. That improved the platform right?

No.

In fact they've made it objectively worse by restricting what you're allowed to make videos about.

The state of True Crime is abysmal.. it has gotten to the point where censorship is stricter than Cable TV, as the names of various felonies have to be bleeped out in order to not catch youtube's wrath.

Yet Far Right Political Channels are free to drop whatever slurs against transfolk they like.. and openly accuse whatever drag performer they want of being a kiddie diddler even though true crime channels get a content strike for saying "pedophile" even though it's in the context of someone literally tried and convicted as one.

Ever wonder why the kids are saying "Unalive" so much? It started as a cute 4th wall leaning cover for death in a Deadpool/Spider-Man crossover...

Now it has regular usage because direct references to death (Again, Regardless of context) is against Youtube Terms of Service.

It's so bad that a close friend of mine who is a streamer, despite not posting to youtube, has had to train himself to exclusively say Unalived so that clips of his streams can be safely posted to youtube, his livelihood cannot risk him using the "d" or "k" words.

It's absurd because a reason web content became so popular is that it wasn't restricted to the same kind of censorship the FCC puts on Cable TV.. We can have an Angry Nerd drop as many F Bombs as he wants while talking about something as innocuous as Super Mario 3...

But thanks to Youtube.. not anymore

Probably a lot on the backend. Honestly fewer changes on the front is probably for the better at this point.

I believe Louis Rossmann said that giving a single dollar directly to a creator is more than a lifetime of watching their ads. Premium I think is really good comparatively but that's only because ads pay so little.

(https://youtu.be/4Q3ZXQZZlcE?t=55 is where he says this according to his cpm)

Some creators have said that the cut they get from premium viewers is higher than that of ad based (SpiffingBrit for example, in his YouTube download exploit video).

If that still holds true is unknown.

I don't believe so. As I understand it, all Premium money goes into a big bucket. Then, views/watchtime/etc. are used to calculate what percentage of the pie a given creator will receive.

And the idea that a company that doesn't grow every single year is somehow a failure, even if it is making millions or billions

You mean POP!?

Both services are available, and I recommend paying the extra for the 'please dont rip my arms off' extra.

More like IPFS. If you have a bunch of gigabit residential internet connections distributed globally. That's a reasonable approximation of a video streaming platform.

I'm not saying I have a good solution for today, but all the components are there to build a competitor to YouTube, and now if the price barrier going up, there's room for whatever organization competes with YouTube to get some sustainable income

Agreed, I'm in northern Canada and only the capital city of my territory has cable internet, the outskirts of the city and the smaller communities are stuck with ancient and capped (300GB per month) DSL at 15 Mbps while I get unlimited 100/10 Mbps for $140 per month. I'd kill for symmetrical 100/100 so I could access my plex server outside of my house, let alone 1 Gbps fiber internet.

I'd guess we're a minimum of 5-10 years away from fiber internet sadly, we just don't have the population to make it profitable enough for the greedy ass telecom companies, even with the extra government funding the telecom gets for serving our low population territory.

64.75 Swiss Franks per month from my ISP, it's the same price as their 1 Gb/s and 25 Gb/s plans.

I'm currently still on 1Gb/s because buying the faster router, switch and network cards to make use of more is kind of expensive

I get 2gbps to my home in singapore for $30USD a month.

10gbps is available in a few places globally, but its becoming more common. i.e. https://www.utopiafiber.com/10-gbps-info/

I have no idea what the content is like on YouTube Kids but on my YouTube app when I cast kids stuff the display ads on the phone side are often for mobile games with really creepy shit like dead Paw Patrol characters and grieving Elsa.

I'd never leave a little one attended with an iPad with YouTube on their own

It's good that there is at least one person in a family that can fix electronics. It's worse when there's no one. I think the majority of malware coming from ads (and persisting on devices) is in those families that lack that one techy person.

Sucks for them. This is what happens when you buy into the corporate, locked down, sanitised and monetised walled garden.

Privacy first and FLOSS software have been out there the whole time for people willing to invest the time (and money, but often it's cheaper than the commercial option) to learn them and gain those benefits for themselves.

But if people want a device so they pick up the one with the shiniest marketing and then wonder why it's shoving ads down their throat, well, that's what they get for not researching the options. There are alternatives, they've been posted many times over in this thread and similar ones.

Your comment certainly provided "an actual solution" in a "very noble" way

Yes

Read the article that has been posted under the linked comment!

If anything, I expect two things to rise - people that just stop watching videos online cold-turkey, and pirate mirrors of popular YouTube channels

Well, more crazy things has happened. Do you think that Google is going to be here forever?

It's the little things that corrodes a company. Hence the "crack in the armour.

I like to think that most people surf the Internet with an ad blocker. Simple because the Internet is just riddled with ads and the experience is frustrating without one.

So if you see your grandma has a bad experience online, you are likely to install an ad blocker to help her out. Most people knows how to do this, at least one person in the family. That is what hurts Google the most.

It's the annoyance factor that is a great driver of change. The way people do things. Even if they are used to do things in a certain way.

I personally have notest the Google maps are much more inaccurate nowadays than it used to be. It has become an annoyance.

I read that only 6% of people even use adblockers

Amen!

This article.

Another Google Abuse Example.

yeah sry the family plan I, didn't specify

Honestly I think Google has a horrible management culture. It worked fine when they were printing money regardless but at this point the incompetence is starting to show.

Anyone who grew up in the U.S. in the 80s can tell you that we spent hours every Saturday morning watching ads for toys disguised as cartoons in between ads for toys not disguised at all.