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1y ago

...Then you select it, and the Captcha fails.

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I still don't know whether you're supposed to hit those and I also don't know if it's normal to get two challenges or if that just means I did the first one wrong.
- It doesn't really matter, they don't expect you to get everything right on these. While most of the time you need to get mostly right (Google is using these to train their AI so often they are not sure themselves), they are also looking at other things, like how you move your mouse, and the cookies that they use to spy on people to determine the probability of you being a human. If you pass a certain threshold they let you through, and you can do it even if you miss a square.
  
  and the cookies that they use to spy on people to determine the probability of you being a human
  which is why I assume, as a VPN user who rejects as many cookies as possible, I constantly have to do 5-6 fucking captchas in a row, sometimes more, before it'll let me through.. I can't be that bad at doing them lol
  Is it frustrating? Fuck yeah. Will it get me to change my behaviour and drop those measures so that the companies getting in my way can collect more of my data? Fuck no.
  
  I use a trackball mouse for disability reasons. I have to actively slow my cursor movement to a crawl and deliberately slowly click each square otherwise I fail captcha's
  it's infuriating
- I think you should do what the majority of people would do
  
  This has been memed about forever, no one knows what the majority does.
- AFAIK, the first one is the real check, the second one is too train their image recognition AI.
  
  It has to be more sophisticated than that. Otherwise users could easily taint the datasets by giving wrong answers on purpose.
  It probably checks your answer against the current model's best guess and if it's close enough, you get a pass and your input is added to the training data for the next iteration. The more wrong you are, the more challenges you get.
  
  That was in text captcha days
- Isn't it normal to get something like 6 challenges?
  And suddenly one of them has new slow loading images which you won't notice before clicking continue, thus failing
  
  The most I got at once was around 21 I think. But twice I did such number without passing.
  I should finally look at one of those automated captcha solver extensions for Firefox. I know some are more accurate than humans anyway.
  
  Oh I usually get the green checkmark without any captcha.
  It depends on the website you are visiting, whether you are loged in on Google and how much cookies you allow and a lot more. Also using Chrome may help because it collects more data.
  Sometimes loging out of Google also helps.

Answer wrong. The more of us humans that answer wrong, the less accurate we need to be to get past these stupid things. If google want me to do work for them, they can pay me.
- I unwittingly do that all the time. It often takes me 30+ Captchas before I finally get in. Then I've forgotten what the hell I was doing in the first place.
  
  Do you usually do them quickly? Try slowing down next time, and you’ll get through with less captchas.
- If google want me to do work for them, they can pay me.
  They kinda do. This is the way the "free" model of internet services works. One of the reasons I think we should probably switch to expecting services to either be paid or non-profit, rather than ad/data-supported.
  
  Yeah, but the whole point of offering free services was just a ploy to crush competition with shorter runways to profit. Google could just sustain "free"services longer than their competitors could remain solvent.
  Now that they've run most of their competitors into the ground, and now that people and businesses have become dependent on these services. They can bank off advertising and monetizing services with subscriptions.
  Google business accounts used to be free, now you have to pay 9 bucks a month per employee, and you are subjected to even more advertising. Neither advertising nor subscriptions are going anywhere, especially now that subscription plans are so normalized.

Whenever I get a capcha of anyone on a vehicle, I always make it a point to highlight the entirety of the driver too because I’m not going to just let Google train its self-driving vehicles to just ignore that every motorcycle has a rider on it.

The worst for me is the motorcycles one; half of the pictures are of motor scooters. Does it count those as motorcycles or is it counting on the user to know the difference because they’re not technically the same thing?
- I was about to make a similar comment but you beat me to it.
  It recently showed me a bicycle as part of “select all motorcycles” so I didn’t pick it. And I failed. Twice. Finally picked the bicycle and it let me through. Guess the computer knows best.
  
  It also does it the other way around. I failed recently for not calling a motorcycle a bicycle.
  
  Beatmeattoit

Same shit with bikes. Is the rider part of the bike or not?
- Consindering that we're training Ai to be safe on the roads i would say the rider is the most vital part.
- Well the seat post is under their butt.

This scenario pisses me off as I debate how pedantic to be.

Hate this. Every time, I seem to guess wrong.
Guess I'm a robot.
- Then I would recommend Buster for you.

Its worst when you clearly see small traffic lights far back in the same pucture

This is what "AI training" looks like, folks. The companies developing AI constantly tells us how awesome it is, but it still needs the help of humans to recognize basic sh*t like cars, buses, crosswalks and traffic lights. They didn't choose those images by accident.
- I keep expecting blurry images of protestors or human shaped blobs huddling behind cover with some kind of crosshair over them
  PLEASE CLICK ON ALL SQUARES WITH ~~ENEMY COMBATANTS~~ ~~TARGETS~~ PERSONS

I stress about the whole damn pole. If you showed me a picture of a traffic 🚦 on pole, and asked me what it was, I would say "a traffic light" not "a traffic loght and a traffic light pole"

Try the audio captcha, those seem to have actual valid answers to them.
Funny enough, there's an extension that solves captchas by feeding that audio through a speech recognition algorithm. If anything it's more reliable than solving them manually
- Yes, Buster Captcha Solver extension (in GitHub, Firefox, Chromium), but there are novadays also several others, which works in all type of capchas, using AI. Because of this, Captchas are obsolet since years, turning simply in annoying clickbaits. They can't avoid bots anymore.
  
  It makes me sad its not under active dev anymore. Last update to Firefox DEC 2022

It's funny that captchas are in a never ending arms race with bots trained on the same datasets capturing humans answering these stupid puzzles.
Pretty soon we're going to be drinking verification cans
- Well of course we are. A bot can't drink!

I started half-assing these a long time ago because they never fail anyway.
- The test isn't the panels you click on, it tracks how your mouse pointer moves. Bots or robots tend to move in straight lines, whereas with humans, the pointer moves in a more random fashion. That's how you pass.
- !??

Yeah sometimes I'm like, well that's a moped, does it count as a motorcycle?
- My big interest right now is motorcycles yet I still recently failed a motorcycle captcha
- Most of these were trained/tested using third world labor on mechanical turk. It actually helps to approach the problem from that understanding:
  "Would a person who speaks English as a second language and who is getting paid less than a penny to decide, call this a motorcycle?"
  Dude needs to answer about a million of those to make money, so he's not overthinking it, your knee-jerk answer is probably right.
- I find that whatever your snap judgment is will be the correct answer, so basically yes the moped usually counts as a motorcycle

The ones that get me are captchas saying select all squares with motorcycles when it is clearly a bicycle.
- There was an inflection point where captcha went from "demonstrate human vision" to "guess what the robot sees."
  I got one asking for mountain ranges where one was plainly the tops of nearby trees. Which I got scolded for not clicking on.

These are actually checking if you are a bot btw, so to pass them more quickly just don’t move like a bot would. Do shit a bot wouldnt do like clicking and unclicking something, swirl your cursor around the screen, etc.
Also answer these kind of wrong to fuck with AI
- Chaotic good?

They must have increased the difficulty at one point cause I ain't kidding, I cannot solve them anymore. I swear to god I donit correctly but it never works.
- 01001000 01101001 00100000 01100110 01100101 01101100 01101100 01101111 01110111 00100000 01110010 01101111 01100010 01101111 01110100
- That could happen when the system has already flagged you as unwanted traffic. It just keeps giving you Captchas to solve until you eventually give up voluntarily.
- Same, I had to login to steam by solving one of these and I just couldn't... Not sure why it's so difficult all of a sudden

They do that on purpose, as an AI/Bot wouldn't hesitate.
Sometimes I'll be stuck on a captcha because I'm answering too fast, so I'll wait a delay then hit the answer and suddenly it stops going in circles
- I thought the reason is they want to see the limits of what a human considers qualify as answer to their question in order to better train their AI?
  Edit: Although I guess nothing is stopping the answer from being Porque No los Dos?
  
  I mean it could absolutely be both. There's assumedly a lot that goes into these algorithms and most of it we will never know for sure, just make educated speculation lol

Those fire hydrants will haunt me in nightmares
- Especially because the answers to these captchas are used to train self driving car AI, so if you fuck it up the self driving cars will crash and you will have blood on your hands :/

Yeah, had to adapt my patterns so i don't get always flagged as bot.

What I hate so much more are the OpenAI captchas. Especially the goddamn rat ones
- It's the text ones for me. I struggle to read the font on some of them so I can't tell the difference between a capital letter or a lowercase one so now if they've the text reader for blind/partially sighted people I'll use that.
- I believe you haven't met the Yandex Captcha. I don't know anyone who passed that.
- I had much (not) fun with the ones on the Sony/Playstation page.
  Somezhibg with alligning a 3d object with a specified direction.
- Huh?

I just think to myself: What would a robot do?

I had one of the old fashioned distorted text ones the other day, but instead of something like "please enter the text above" it just said "are you human?" next to the text box. Naturally, I typed "yes" but that turned out to be the wrong answer.
- The correct answer is "or are you dancer?"

This was me in the early days of captchas. Now I'm all like 360 no-scope BOOM HEADSHOT let me in motherfuckers!

I hate these captcha. You look at the picture, the edge of the traffic light or the motorcycle goes outside the box. You decide to click on the square where this tiny part of the image is and the message “This is incorrect!”.
Captcha without images from Cloudflare is even more infuriating. The so-called “Connection reliability check” takes quite a long time and this captcha appears often.

This is how I approach these: that square only has a single traffic light, not multiple traffic lights like the prompt is asking for

I cry, rage, yell then I refresh the the captcha

In my experience the least thorough interpretation seems to be the most accepted.

Most of the time, it works if you just select the 3 most fitting ones
- It's actually checking your mouse movement to see if it looks natural or robotic. You can get a few wrong and it'll still pass you.
  
  How does that work with touchscreens though? Since you arent dragging your mouse across the screen. Does it then fully fall back on the pictures?
  
  Oh is that why there's no shift click ability?

story of my life…

in my experience, only click stuff if it mainly in that frame

That's the frame of the lights so no
- 🤓

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