Xbox's new policy — say goodbye to unofficial accessories from November thanks to error '0x82d60002'
Xbox's new policy — say goodbye to unofficial accessories from November thanks to error '0x82d60002'
Error 0x82d60002 informs players their devices will be blocked
Xbox's new policy — say goodbye to unofficial accessories from November thanks to error '0x82d60002'::Got error 0x82d60002 on your Xbox accessory? There's no fix, Xbox is going to block the use of detected unauthorized accessories with its consoles from November 12, 2023.
“Made for Xbox” branding for proprietary accessories approved by Microsoft incoming. Anything else won’t work.
How hypocritical of MS to pull this on their consumers after making it such a big deal that competitors like Apple do this same thing. Pot meet Kettle.
Anyone surprised? MS is one of the shadiest companies out there. Google gathering user data? "Don't get scroogled!" Microsoft account required for windows 11? That's completely different. Gamers in particular just fell for their self-imposed image as the good guys because of Game pass and constantly bashing their competitors.
If I remember correctly, it was them first charging for online services under Xbox Live Gold for functionality that was usually free on PC.
And free on PlayStation at the time, but sony thought it was so good they'd copy it
Wait, wait... people claimed they were the good guys? I'm not sure I've ever seen that.
The optimist in me says “maybe this is just to prevent cheaters from using XIM and Cronus and it’ll be cheap and easy for other manufacturers to get authorized”
The pessimist in me says “so Microsoft is going to charge a shitton for authorization… great”
The realist in me says “I play on PC”
If a game can be cheated by using a 3rd party controller then the only skill involved in the game is how fast you can press the buttons, so who cares?
I disagree with your premise there. Using a controller that requires absolute input (a mouse) while your opponents use a controller that requires relative input (a joystick) gives you a leg up but it doesn’t remove skill altogether. Using a mouse still requires skill, but it’s easier to learn to use well.
"First time?"
I abandoned Xbox back when they announced Xbox One and said it required a Kinect and would be always online for DRM purposes. The backlash was severe enough that I remember their stock price taking a hit and that Major Tom dude having to come out and backtrack.
I knew then and there that they'd always try to bring this DRM/hyper controlling nonsense back. Just didn't think it'd take them so long.
That's when I stopped. I think the only things I missed were Halo 5 and 6, and I understand I missed very little.
I'm using game pass on PC now, and when they start fucking around with that, I'll turn them back off.
I jumped over to Playstation and I can't say I'm having a bad time. Some great exclusives have come out. Horizon Zero Dawn, Spider-Man 1 (I'm too poor for Spider-Man 2 so have no opinions), Bloodborne, God of War... Been a nice time and same here on Halo being the only thing I missed.
Well that and the controller.
"it's all just for your protection!" I'm amazed that people actually believe this shit. That's the same argument as with various countries fighting against CSAM, seeing that as an excuse for total privacy invasion. Like come on...
No one believes it, but in the world of PR you just go with the thing people are least likely to argue against or most likely believe "for the children" or "because safety". PR doesn't really even matter when you're so enormous.
I never gamed on console because I like more control over my environment...and that started 25 years ago. Super glad they were just approved to buy Activision/Blizzard, "more choice" was what their grinning exec said in a consolidation purchase.
If they can get rid of Cronus devices, I'm fine with it honestly
Ah yes the infamous and completely utterly useless 0x8 hex Microsoft errors.
If I had a nickel for every time I encountered one, I'd have paid Microsoft to properly document what they actually mean, instead of spending 2 years finding some ye olde ass archived help request where some ancient wizard sys admin gives the answer after the default and also equally useless MSFT Associate reply of "Did you try DISM or try to reinstall windows?"
sfc /scannow
oh it doesn't work? You definitely need to run
chkdsk c: /fWait this doesn't work either? Then download our utterly useless software that will only run chkdsk while showing you ads and has a paywall after you click "apply" because it's a fake "free" app that does nothing targeted to your grandma and step uncle
By the way the poor ms employee probably doesn't know what any of them mean they were just generated by ms devs in the other MS building 63 floors below ground where they use infrared light to grow new developers in the bill gates sacred soil
May I present to you, a tool called Err
There is also a GUI version, errlookup, it’s included as apart of Visual Studio (
C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\2022\Community\Common7\Tools\errlookup.exe) – I’m sure there are other was of getting it too.
A lot of the answerers who do that are paid per-answer (with a bonus for accepting) iirc, so they're incentivised to essentially auto-reply.
I mean to be fair, those errors arent really meant for you (the end user) in the first place.
So goodbye custom-built accessibility controllers? Little Timmy, who was born with no arms and loves video games but has to play with his feet on a custom controller, is going to be told "Git good stumpy"?
Microsoft does make a special controller for people with disabilities. Still sucks for people with custom setups. The cheating in fps games is out of control though
sounds like it
Another attack on ownership. The user is the only one who can authorize an accessory being used with their hardware.
Where was this outrage when Xbox blocked the ability to use third party headsets? This just seems like a continuation of their long-held policy and is likely only happening now that they have their accessibility controller on the market.
Just hook up a gaming pc to tv and play there with any controller.
They've already nuked driver support for certain "unauthorized" 3rd party Xbox accessories out of windows 10 and higher, so this isn't necessarily a solution for the average user either
This doesnt work anymore? https://github.com/InputMapper
Same vendor, doing ugly things like always. I say Draugr OS or Chimera OS. Even Space Engineers runs now and with better FPS too.
So we're back to the DRM machine dream of Xbox One.
There's still no official word or reports yet on whether XIM or Cronus controller-spoofing mouse and keyboard adapters will be banned as a result of these policy changes, but manufacturers like Brook Gaming who build unlicensed, but fair adapters for fighting game sticks seem to be caught in the dragnet. We'll be sure to update you on further changes.
I think XIM and Cronus are the reason they're doing this, especially since the main games on Xbox are shooters.
Cronus allows you to run scripts which give you an unfair competitive advantage, from using exploits and humanly impossible controller inputs to fire weapons ultra fast, to removing weapon recoil, to going auto-prone when you fire your weapon, to quickscoping, to other things.
XIM on the other hand lets you plug in a mouse and keyboard. While this allows you to play games on console that otherwise don't support M&K controls, it also gives you serious unfair competitive advantages by making the console think you're a gamepad player whilst giving you superior M&K controls and aim assist at the same time. With a XIM device you can go seal clubbing in console-only lobbies.
My other hypothesis is that they want to safeguard their console from firmware exploits that could bust the security of their console wide-open and allow for software piracy.
The enshittification is getting worse
i feel like the EU will fight this, but it still might not matter for NA users
Nowadays Consoles are just locked down, consumer-hostile PCs with many unnecessary artificial limitations. Get an actual PC and install Linux on it, that way you have the freedom to do whatever the fuck you want with both your hardware and your software. Probably the only console that respects its users is the Steam Deck, which also runs Linux. Most games work really well on Linux, and it's constantly improving. Also check out !linux_gaming@lemmy.ml
Get a Steam Deck and use any Controller you want ;) (including the corresponding controller glyphs for many games)
This surely can't be legal? Right? Right?
Honestly surprised they allowed them in the first place.
Pretty sure Sony don't.
As a user of third-party controllers on the PS4: yup, the DualShock 4 security is a pain. And the DualSense security hasn't been cracked yet - the closest gadget I've found actually uses Remote Play to bypass the authentication requirement.
What a shitty move, glad I use PC/SD
They can 0x82d60002 Deez nutz
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In a significant development for Xbox users, the era of tinkering with your console to use unapproved accessories is drawing to a close.
I asked for a photo of the controller, and I'm not surprised it didn't work, given the included adapter looks like something you get for free at the bottom of a box of cereal.
we have received player feedback concerning these products when used on Xbox consoles (the latest OS version 10.0.25398.2266. released on 10/16) during online gameplay.
Brook Gaming's statement highlights a series of issues that have been plaguing third-party, unlicensed accessories, particularly since the rollout of console build 10.0.25398.2266, which was released on October 16.
As of right now, we haven't seen any evidence that these types of accessories will be affected by the recent changes since Xbox has historically been unable to detect them, but we're investigating.
Our sources indicate that Microsoft is lifting restrictions on the ability for third-party hardware manufacturers to build wireless accessories for Xbox Series X|S devices.
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Going to have a controversial opinion here, but as someone who primarily plays competitive FPS games this is a huge win. Strike Packs have been dominating console lobbies for years now. Controllers that do scripting won’t work anymore, and that’s a massive W.
It’s not universally good, and they’ll need to expand the authorization program, but imo it’s well worth it to ban the cheaters using 3rd party controllers.
Edit: Downvote as much as you want. I’m fed up dealing with console players cheating with controllers they can buy from walmart. This is a huge positive for anyone who wants people to stop cheating.
If this is why, great. Microsoft needs to get out in front of this though, otherwise a bad look when they don’t need one.
most cheating comes from pc
Most software cheats do. Hardware cheats are much more common on console. Strike Packs can be bought at the local Walmart. There’s no barrier to entry at all.
Historically, 3rd party accessories on all platforms have been garbage. Glad to see them cracking down. There are rare exceptions like this Atari 2600 joystick:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAC-2
I have a pair that must be almost 40 years old now, still work!
Call me old-fashioned, but I think the free market offers an adequate solution for this—customers can tell for themselves which third-party accessories are bad and not buy them. Microsoft shouldn't purposefully render them unusable. If you want guaranteed support, you're always free to choose an official product.
Except the controllers who are doing external scripting are the best selling 3rd party controllers. So the free market has been pretty clear in that they don’t care if it’s a good product, they only care if it gives them an unfair advantage.
Letting the free market continue to regulate this means no change from the horrific state of controller based cheating that exists right now.
They really can't though. Which is why the article shows a shitty controller somebody bought on Wish.
Just because you don't like them doesn't mean other people don't.
As a kid I had no hope of affording the official PlayStation racing wheel, but I could afford the MadCatz one. When I wanted a 2nd guitar controller to play with friends on the PS2, NYKO offered a wireless one that was much better than the official ones. My first wireless controller, before the WaveBird, was a MadCatz PS2 controller that was fantastic.
I spent a good chunk of this weekend researching 3rd party JoyCons because the ones from Nintendo are basically cheap novelty toys that sell for $80.
8BitDo have been making quality controllers for several years now, and they have a whole section of their website dedicated to Xbox stuff. They appear to be licensed, so they will probably still be good?
Especially with how expensive 1st party controllers are, it can make a ton of sense to get cheap 3rd party ones. Especially if you aren't into hardcore or competitive games.
I mean, yeah, it’s true historically that first party has been generally better in quality. Going all the way back. But that does not mean it’s cool to block third party accessories.