politics @lemmy.world Salamendacious @lemmy.world 1y ago

Democrats eye rare procedural move to defeat Tuberville military holds

thehill.com Democrats eye rare procedural move to defeat Tuberville military holds

Senate Democrats are working with Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (I-Ariz.) and a handful of Republicans on a rarely used procedural tactic to defeat Sen. Tommy Tuberville’s (R-Ala.) blockade of more than 360 …

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Blocking promotions of critical military roles over an unrelated social issue. Really. Why are there so many examples of how today's Republicans would rather burn the country to the ground than concede anything to representatives for roughly the half of the population..
- I think that there are a lot of Republicans right now who only care about not getting a primary challenger and it's a race to the "pure" right.
  
  Tuberville beat incumbent Doug Jones with just over 60% of the vote. He isn't concerned about a Democrat beating him but a more extreme Republican could beat him in a primary.
  
  Once upon a time, it seemed like being an advocate for their constituents and a competent administrator of the country as a whole got politicians reelected. Maybe I have rose-tinted history glasses tho..
- They want those positions vacant so when trump wins in 2024 he can place their lackeys and have more successful coup next time.
  
  Project 2025 is a real fear
- They want these positions open so they can be filled with extremists who will go along with the next coup.
  
  The social issue is just a cover.
- The GOP platform is effectively to make sure nothing operates so that they can point at the government they constantly fuck up and say "look! Government doesn't work."
- Because they want to burn down the country. Simple as that.
- They believe thier job is too prevent the government from working. And that's probably why angry people keep voting them in.
  
  Lots of people just want it to burn down that only have a highschool understanding of politics.
This has really gotta piss you off if you risked your life for this country just for some pissant turd senator to block your promotion. Nothing to do with you, no, it's for "reasons" fuck these dudes.
- I was lucky enough to have an air force general come to a history of strategic thought class and she spent time in the Clinton administration. She definitely wasn't forthcoming about it but reading between the lines you could tell that there's a cultural difference between the brass and the politicians. I think some are probably disappointed and frustrated but they deal with politicians on a somewhat regular basis and expect politicians to showboat. Others are probably very conservative and completely agree with tuberville and his tactics.
Sinema came up with the idea and started working with colleagues in both parties on it in early September.

Sinema is actually trying to do something useful? Wow.
- She's accidently helpful
- I’m sure someone bribed her. Some arms dealer lobbyist was probably like, “If I can get these promotions passed, I’ll surely get that ground war in Asia I’ve been lobbying for.”
No Republican senator has yet expressed public support for the resolution, and those viewed as most likely to vote “yes” say they would prefer to resolve the impasse in another way.

That's because they'll get death threats if they appear to cooperate with Democrats in any way. Just like we saw in the House and winding up with Gaetz's choice of Mike Johnson for Speaker, Repub Senators are just as terrified to go against Mangolini's magats.
- I think republicans senators clearly remember maga insurrectionists chanting, "hang Mike Pence" on January 6th
  
  Yes, and running for their lives and hiding from the mob.
- I'm not advocating for violence but shit... Republicans are cowards. I didn't realize you could just bully them into doing things.
  
  Right? Nancy Pelosi had a violent mob chant for her death as they broke into her place of work, and she basically rolled her eyes and kept doing her job.
  
  These wannabe tough guy GOP pussies sure like to act tough, but slink away with their tails between their legs at the first impotent threat
- That’s because they’ll get death threats
  
  Worse than death threats, they might not be reelected. And that's the most important thing (to them).
  
  Fear of being primaried is certainly strong enough to get them to go along with almost anything, but since the rise of the Manchurian Cantaloupe it really has gone far beyond that to fear of literal violence against them and their families. They are thoroughly intimidated and under the control of the extremists.
  
  Of course the threats and violence also extend to election workers, judges, government employees, etc. Remember what happened to Nancy Pelosi's husband as just one example among many in the last few years.
  https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/the-fear-factor-in-republican-politics-trump
How about also fuck sinema?

Sure this is going a same way now, but at least tuberville is predictable. She is much more toxic and dangerous in the long run.
- If you want to help get rid of Sinema the Democrat running against her is Ruben Gallego
Just to be clear his entire motivation is controlling young women’s bodies.
- It's 100% important to remember that this is the issue. Good on Biden & the DOD for not capitulating.
Why has it taken them so long to find this rare procedural rule?

If the country wasn’t run by relics they would be using machine learning models filled with these procedures to ask a chatbot WTF to do.
- It still requires 60 votes there are 48 Democrats and 3 independents and 49 Republicans. 9 republicans have to go along. I think this is about optics, Republicans finally getting frustrated with tuberville, and the Israeli\Hamas conflict.
- It hasn't. If there are 60 votes, they can do just about whatever they want. They really only need 51, but that would be rude and "nuclear" because of silly rules they made up for themselves.

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