Decentralized Matrix messaging network says it now has 115M users
Decentralized Matrix messaging network says it now has 115M users
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Matrix is great as a discord alternative, I'd just wish it wouldn't light my Server on fire every time I open element. Like I can live stream 4K to multiple people over that thing, but reading messages takes 30 seconds of fan screaming?
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For this reason I hope the element X rewrite also replaces element on desktop eventually. The element X beta android app is so much snappier than element with the new sliding sync, it's supposedly 6000x faster but it just feels on par with signal or any other performant app, not being impacted by how many rooms you're in or how big those rooms are anymore.
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Sliding sync is just your client running on the server. Now your server's load is even worse. If you self host, well, too bad. Be a New Vector customer I guess?
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try XMPP, much lighter on resources.
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It still has the issue that joining a popular channel can bury a server for a couple of hours whilst it downloads the entire history since it was created (hillariously trying to connect to thousands of servers that no longer exist.. the error log was.. impressive).
The new protocol was announced on here recently but synapse is stull running the old protocol with a proxy in front and the proxy just means clients can log off whilst it's updating, it doesn't fix the issue.
It's probably fine if you don't federate it, but I could just use my IRC server for that..
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That is why I prefer XMPP. Three users, eats 25 mb RAM.
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Don't ever bring this to the people in charge or you might be told "sorry for that" "but now it's been fixed, deployed any week now" "you are a liar, this has never been true" and "it doesn't really matter for the general case" either in the same post or few responses apart. Matrix has been in a permanent state of unstable mess, and the leadership disingenuous attitude made me lose hope that this will ever change. More people should start reading through the fanfare and superlative blog posts, which, admittedly is the thing they do the best and much better than the other projects out there.
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Matrix misrepresenting its users base... By counting users that ever connected once, test accounts, spam accounts, bot accounts, bridged accounts, single ever used nicks... as a marketing strategy to give an illusion of relevance... that would be a first! /s
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Can someone explain to me why some communities do their communication using something like Matrix? I'm a member of some open source/ tech channels on Matrix that I am somewhat interested in or need suppport from. Every time I check my app I have line 1k unread messages. Like, does anyone have the time to read all that? Besides trying to find if a question I have has already been answered is pretty cumbersome.
That doesn't mean I don't think Matrix is great, but it just doesn't seem like the best fit for that application
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It's the same with discord.
Too many communities use discord (or matrix) instead of a real, searchable forum with topics and threads.
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Few layers to this
The reason to use a discord/matrix is the same reason to use social media. You aren't going to read and engage with every single message. You are going to pop back in, respond to something that seems interesting, and then go on with your life.
From a support perspective? It is no different than message boards. You have a few knowledgeable (possibly paid) individuals and then you rely on The Community to help debug a lot of it.
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Yeah I guess, but because it's so linear all the discussions are running through each other and messy. So if someone asked a question I'm interested in I then have to read a whole lot of messages to see if maybe someone said something relevant about it.
Also, the messages are not indexed by search engines, which has its advantages, but for a tech/ support channel it doesn't make much sense.
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First I’m hearing about it
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Yeah seems really weird that a service with 2/3rds or more of the users than Discord is completely unknown to me or any of my fellas on the group discord when I asked them.
Can't tell if I am falling out of touch, the service is aimed at a completely different demographic than me, or these numbers are bullshit.
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I'm going to assume the bridged users count as well, but a lot of it is going to be private organizations.
Element is used by entities where safety of communications is critical, like NATO, the United Nations, the US Department of Defense, the German Armed Forces, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the UK Ministry of Defense, and the French Government.
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It's used by a lot by organisations who want an alternative to Slack/Teams. Have a look at the client list for Element, arguably the biggest Matrix client/platform - https://element.io/
And as someone else mentioned there's also a huge influx of IRC folks especially in the last year.
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I have been running my own server for a few years now. I would describe it more as an alternative for What's App or Signal than an alternative to discord. I think it's more used in a professional/and or government setting for organisations who need to run their own services.
Also, Matrix is just the protocol behind it and there are quite a few different clients for it, the most popular one is element. Lemmy.world also has a link to their Matrix instance.
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Although many clients use the Matrix protocol, the foundation suggests new users pick up the ElementX app, which incorporates all the latest features and reflects what Matrix 2.0 can achieve.
The Element X is a stripped-down messenger app built based on the standard Element but completely rewritten for performance.
Intetesting, I'll give it a try.
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Don't install "Element X" as it's their beta app. They already have released a normal one called just "Element" from same company. Element X doesn't have any way to sign up, so it'll just be super confusing.
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The whole thing is beta anyway ¯(ツ)/¯
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I've already tried Element and I barely use matrix so I doubt I'd miss the extra features Element X is lacking right now.
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Element X is faster but extremely barebones, definitely stick to regular Element for now
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I tried the app but it doesn't even have a way to register an account. Nor any directions in doing so. I went to matrix.org, nothing there either. I had to Google it. Which led me to app.element.io. So I tried to register and it failed. I'll give it another year to develop and see how things are going.
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I tried the app but it doesn’t even have a way to register an account.
That sounds like you tried Element X app, which is beta (it says so everywhere). One should still be using the Element app for now.
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