Maybe AI won't be taking all of our jobs after all?

And now for the secret ingredient... fear.
- I see we are using the Gordon Ramsay cookbook today. I prefer Justin Wilson, where the secret ingredient is wine for the cook
  
  Personally, I prefer Alton Brown, where the secret ingredient is goofiness.
- There's an episode of Are You Afraid of the Dark from old school Nickelodeon (1992 to 1996) that had this as the exact premise.

Gotta have fear
- Just make sure to separate the yellow fear from the white fear.
  
  Once I got a double yellow fear. That was a good day.
  
  Yep, especially if you're a Green Lantern
- You should use all-purpose fear, bread fear will make the cake tough.
- If you don't have fresh fear, canned fear works fine.

If you don't have fresh vedk store bought is okay
- All I could find was "I can't believe it's not vedk". Is that ok?
  
  It just won't be as schmonfy, should be good enough though

I like how it just explicitly refuses to label the butger bowls
- Because deep down he knows that is butter not butger.

Fear is my favourite type of egg to use in cakes.
- Yeah here I was using love. Never thought of fear. I imagine it to have an essence of piss of the pants.
- Fear of getting salmonella.

I don't know, it does recommend eggs ol like all master chiefs.
- Go away, I'm Batin'
- Crushed Walduts.
  Walduts.
- Vegeuble extract
  
  If you don't have it in your kitchen then why are you even there?
- 25 eggs!?
  
  Nah just 0.25 eggs
- I wouldn't use Cugar in your carrot cake. It will make it too savory.
  
  But throwing in some extra walnut with three different labels is perfectly fine though.
- Oh no, vanilla extract is back!

Every time I see posts like this I remember a frequent argument I had in the early 2000's.
Every time I talked with photography students (I worked at an art school) or a general photography enthusiast, I got the same smug predictions about digital photography. The resolution sucked, the color sucked, the artist doesn't have enough control, etc. They all assured me that digital photography might be nice for casual vacation photos and maybe a few specialty applications but no way, no how, not even when hell freezes over would any serious photographer ever consider digital.
At the time I would think back to my annoying grade school discussions with teachers who assured me that (dot matrix) printers just sucked. Serious writing was done by hand and if you didn't know cursive you might as well be illiterate.
For some reasons people keep forgetting that technology marches on. The dumb glitches that are so easy to make fun of now, will get addressed. There are billions of dollars pouring into AI development. Every major company and country is developing them. The pay rates for AI developer jobs attract huge amounts of people to solve those problems.
- And up to now we have zero indication that the current approach isn't a dead end. Bill Gates, for instance, thinks that GPT-4 is a development plateau: https://heise.de/-9337989
  
  Bill has made some famously bad predictions in the past. Here's a small sample https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/the-worst-things-bill-gates-ever-said-a6990046.html
  It's possible that the current $100 billion market size of AI and all the AI job openings are completely misplaced but that's indication that a lot of people have pretty high expectations that AI will continue to grow.
  
  Ah, yes, famous expert in artificial intelligence and machine learning, Bill Gates. I'm personally curious what Taylor Swift thinks about Chat GPT 5, myself. That girl's got a lot of money, which means she must be smart and has smart opinions on topics like generative AI and the efficacy of currently undeveloped LLMs.
  
  We have plenty of indication, when we look at past technologies that plenty thought to have plateaued still being improved.
  Didn't Bill Gates think spam would been a thing of the past ... in 2006.
  My junk folder disagrees.
- Certainly, but none of those technologies completely replaced things. The existing way of doing things became hobbies and remain the preference over the technology which disrupted the field.
  Not to mention, technologies will sometimes flop, only to resurface later in a completely different package. The PDA was maybe popular for a year? But now we all have smartphones which effectively capture that concept. The Wii U failed, but the Switch has been wildly popular.
  It's probably premature to say that AI will completely fail, but also that AI will completely replace everything. I just used a Polaroid camera this past weekend at a wedding, and it was enjoyable in a way digital cameras or phones wouldn't have been. I still write things out at work, particularly if I'm trying to wrap my head around some math or a difficult concept. Typing it out doesn't work as well.
  I think it is safe to say that there are some things AI will never be able to replace, just like there are some things digital cameras couldn't replace, nor our phones.
- There's either the "it'll never work" take or the "it'll destroy the industry!" take, and both are kinda childish. New technologies are tools, nothing more, nothing less. Learn to use them and they'll make your life easier. Integrate them if they're threatening your livelihood. Learn and adapt, it's how progress has always worked.
- Same. Remember the same arguments. Heck I still get into it with clients sometimes. Usually snark works
  Me: wasn't 2013 nice? I had a full set of hair and didn't have to diet, but as much as I might miss 2013 it isn't 2013 anymore. Time to move forward.
  
  I'm guessing this argument has been going on longer than either of us can remember.
  There was a long time when guns were considered interesting toys but not something a sane person would take onto the battlefield; especially not without some sort of backup. Hell, the "three musketeers" were more known for their fencing than their firearms skill.
  I'm sure back in the day some chucklehead complained that papyrus was cute but anything important had to be carved in stone tablet.

sugar
sugar
potper
egs
fear
butger
milk
miilk

Potper... I can't stop giggling

It's shocking to me how many people try to make cakes without fear. It just doesn't taste the same without it
- Oh I wouldn't dare
- Last time I tried that I burned my entire kitchen down

Without fear ... all you have is drywall compound and a great mix to patch a few holes in the wall.
- the real cake is the holes we filled along the way
  
  ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Why is it even called artificial intelligence, when it´s obviously just mindless artificial pattern reproduction?
- Because that's what intelligence is. There's a very funny video floating around of a squirrel repeatedly trying to bury an acorn in a dog's fur and completely failing to understand why it's not working. Now sure, a squirrel is not the smartest animal in the world, but it does have some intelligence, and yet there it is just mindlessly reproducing a pattern in the wrong context. Maybe you're thinking that humans aren't like that, that we make decisions by actually thinking through our actions and their consequences instead of just repeating learned patterns. I put it to you that if that were the case, we wouldn't still be dealing with the same problems that have been plaguing us for millennia.
- Machine Learning is such a better name. It describes what is happening - a machine is learning to do some specific thing. In this case to take text and output pictures... It's limited by what it learned from. It learned from arrays of numbers representing colours of pixels, and from strings of text. It doesn't know what that text means, it just knows how to translate it into arrays of numbers... There is no intelligence, only limited learning.
  
  There is no intelligence, only limited learning.
  Am I machine learning?
  
  Are we so different?
  Isn't meaning just comparing and contracting similarly learned patterns against each other and saying "this is not all of those other things".?
  The closer you scrutinize meaning the fuzzier it gets. Linguistically at least, though now that I think about it I suppose the same holds true in science as well.
  
  Machine Learning isn't a good name for these services because they aren't learning. You don't teach them by interacting with them. The developers did the teaching and the machine did the learning before you ever opened the browser window. You're interacting with the result of learning, not with the learning.
- AI is also the minmax algorithm for solving tic-tac-toe, and the ghosts that chase Pac-Man around. It's a broad term. It doesn't always have to mean "mindblowing super-intelligence that surpasses humans in every conceivable way". So it makes mistakes - therefore it's not "intelligent" in some way?
  A lot of the latest thought in cognitive science couches human cognition in similar terms to pattern recognition - some of the latest theories are known as "predictive processing", "embodied cognition", and "4E cognition" if you want to look them up.
- Honestly I think it's marketing ai sells better then machine learning programs
- Because it is intelligent enough to find and reproduce patters. Kind of like humans.
  But it is artificial.
- Well, I think it comes down to a fundamental belief on consciousness. If you're non religious, you probably think that consciousness is a purely biological and understandable process. This is complete understandable and should be replicable. Therefore, artificial intelligence. But it's hard as dong to do well.
  
  Why the hell are you being downvoted? I thought Lemmy had no religious fundamentalists or spiritualists
- I guess the same reason why smartphones are called "smart" phones.

You bad spellers are saving our jobs. Thank you.
- Yor welbcumb.

Too many people forget the veເk...

Butger

I got potper and vedk but what's the 2 yellow cube please help it's urgent
- It's malk.
  
  Does it have vitamin R?
- Ingredient X, the unknown element. Do not use in low gravity environments.
  
  The shaving cream atom?
  
  Twitter?
- One's hokt and the other is faith

Remember to buy just a medium fear. Large fear will make you sore beating it stiff!
- Boo!
  
  Argh!

taking all of our jobs
dirderkerderbs
- Glad I now know how to say that in Afrikaans

milk.... miiiiilk.

butger
- fear
  
  Batman would approve.

Are any of these translated ingredients?
- Yes. Vedk is Croatian for butger.
  
  How dare you, you son of a potper!
  
  Instructions unclear, I poured Vodka in my cake mix. Don’t think I can get butter out of my butt though.

Butter comes in egg form now? What a time to be alive
- Along with fear ofc
- Hold on to your recipe, and squeeze it real tight!
- milk too

Fear
- Batman's birthday cake in all its glory
- Classic.

Is that why my cakes keep falling? I thought butger was optional.
- You forgot fear

Honestly, this is much better than what I would've expected.

Maybe AI with purpose of making images won't be taking cook's jobs?

Ah yes, the FEAR CAKE.

We haven't made AI, we've just put shinier stickers on a god damn Chinese Room
- Very true, that's exactly how it feels to me.

This reminds me of my last and final salvia trip. I fell through a black hole (my black papasan chair) and landed in the Steamboat Willie cartoon, except the colors were black, white, and evil. Then a giant red theater curtain fell on me, and I was back in reality, except everything was made of squares that were rotating on their vertical axis.
- Evil is my least favorite color

If I had a penny for every "this new stuff will never work" or "this new stuff will never take off "and then it did, I could probably afford nice dinner.
- Maybe a nice cake for dessert too, with an extra dollop of fear.
  
  And butger frosting
- I can say something similar, if I had a penny for every time the next big thing was pronounced and hyped, but didn't take off, I could probably afford a Rivian.
  
  All I can think of is the segway.
- This "ai" isn't going away, there's too much profit to chase and corporate knows it.
  
  I mean it's not even new. The last decade we mostly just called it machine learning and this type of work has been going on longer than that. It only feels new because we're putting generative tools in people's hands. It's already proven itself, it's already replacing jobs.
- "Everything that can be invented has been invented" - Charles H. Duell, 1899.
  [the origins of that quote are a bit sketchy but I'll just ignore that cause its a funny quote]

egs

Demiicious

Turns out that AI can't make cakes or do recipes lol
- ChatGPT can totally make a cake recipe tho, without even telling you about how their great uncle used to make that recipe when they would come back for holidays
- No, Dall-e 3, an AI known for creating brilliant pictures, but isn't trained on general intelligence nor cooking, is the one creating bad recipes.
  
  Is stable diffusion still around?

tofu

butger

Some tech bro will attempt to make this cake and will tell someone it was better than anything some uppity WOKE human baker could have made, regardless of how bad it turned out.
- You can literally taste the fear.

Safran macht den Kuchen gehl

My spouse is now mocking me because I giggled in front of a picture of ingredients. "Ooooh funny... ingredients.... oh .. oh .. oh..."

This looks like the Dr. Seuss on an acid trip cake recipe.

Vedk is something my grandmother used to add into her pound cake when I was a kid. Really set itself apart from the rest!

You can use an electric beater instead of a wire whisk. It makes it extra chewy. :-P
- Electric potper
  
  You can't use the electric potper if you're using egs.

Everything is labeled butter except the butter. I feel that there is an "I can't believe it's not butter" joke in there.

No melk :(
- Cries in Dutch*
- Even worse, no malk!
  
  no malk!
  de Koijn?

vedk, miilk. Sounds like an IKEA inspired cake to me

                           IIIIIIILK
               IIIIIIII
         IIIIII
    MIIII

Oh yes, Omega Mart Milk

You pass butter!
Oh my god....
Yeah welcome to the club
- I think you mean butger.

So many jokes. Including:
...Around the corner fudge is made!
...And sediment shaped sediment.

That egg is going to birth some cosmic horror nonsense.

A dash of potper will spice up any dish

Is it a fucking Waitress reference

I don't like potper in my cake.

Who knew you could make a cake with just milk.

not yet right now,
hilarious by those outputs.
But still, sooner maybe, as long as AI keeps learning and improving and advancing, it may come true sadly.
- I think LLMs will be fundamentally unable to do certain things because of how they function. They're only as good as what they're trained on, and with how fast and loose companies have been with that, they'll have formed patterns based on incorrect information.
  Fundamentally, it doesn't know what it generates. If I ask for a citation, it'll likely give me a result that seems legit, but doesn't actually exist.
- There are certain ways in which the AI seems to plateau short of the desired usefulness in some ways. If the output is supposed to be verbatim specific to the point a machine could consume it, it tends to have these sorts of mistakes. It shines at doing a better job in ingesting direction and data that is 'messy' and processing it and spitting it back at a human for a human to similarly have to be capable of correcting 'messy' input, though with it doing a lot of the heavy lifting to be influenced by more data.
  This is a huge chunk of huge utility, but for very specific things and things that really require expertise, there seems to be an enduring need for human review. However, the volume of people needed may be dramatically reduced.
  Similar to other areas of computing. Back in the 1930s, an animated film might take 1500 to make it happen. Now fewer than a tenth of that could easily turn out better quality with all the computer assistance. We've grown our ambitions and to make a similarly 'blockbuster' scale production which is insanely more detailed and thoroughly animated we still are talking about less than half the staff.
  It seems that AI will be another step in that direction of reducing required staff to acheive better than current expectations, but not entirely displacing them. Becomes extra challenging, since the impacts may be felt across so many industries all at once, with no clear area to soak up the potential reduced labor demand.

- Nah it's really bad at labeled diagrams. It knows what words to put on, and now to make it look good, but it doesn't know how to actually map things well.
  Here's an image with the prompt "old lady's bungalow"
  
  Don't you mean "Bungadlon?"
- I haven't been able to get it to print labels on each thing like that, but dall-e definitely has difficulty spelling, or even using real letters. Sometimes when I don't even ask for text it just prints part of the prompt somewhere in the image in the style of a live laugh love decal, but with at least one word spelled wrong or corrupted.
- It's really funny but I share your skepticism. At least the labels appear to be edited in after the fact, they're way too clear and similar and not messy enough to be real, unless there's something new with DallE-3 I guess.
  
  Dalle 3 is quite good at text