Got to love Mastodon

This is what I love about the fediverse. On the Lemmy side we've seen it in action with lemmygrad. Private platforms need moderators to do that, which let's be real, doesn't generate enough profit to be worth their time...

Hmm, Twitter used to at least try before. Advertisers don't like Eat Fresh! Running below a nazi tweet. There are at least some market forces keeping them at bay, which is why their social platforms keep failing.

Nothing Beats communities that are willing to oust bad elements, though
- Advertisers didn't like their ads running next to a nazi tweet until they saw how much money they could make off nazis after one of them was made potus.
- It's nice when the primary goal of the owners and mods and aligns with the users.
  
  Chasing profit is the worst mechanism in so many cases. One of those cases is when competition is by nature very limited. Social media kind of fails unless you have very few places to go. And you're locked in if your friends are all on the same offering.
- “Zombie Nazis: Eat Flesh!”
Lemmy world just removed their non-discrimination clause and one of the admins is (poorly) justifying it in a thread about it. I wouldn’t cheer quite yet.
- This is only a problem because lemmy.world has become one of the centralized hubs for Lemmy, which means that jettisoning them has a larger impact. The failing of lemmy.world is a reminder that we should be intentionally spreading out to smaller instances, that way a bad admin/instance can be cut off without losing much value. Additionally, by lemmy.world/lemmy.ml/etc having such a grip on the core of Lemmy, they are emboldened to make bad changes without fearing consequences.
- Agreed. In order to keep a upvote/downvote based platform from becoming toxic, a lot of good moderation is required. Lemmy.world is definitely not doing that.
- .world == stormfront; you can't convince me otherwise
They had to defederate so we would stop performing number 3 on that list.
Bluesky has federation running in a sandbox network and is built to support 3rd party moderation tools both server side, client side, and in the custom feeds. Currently all users are on the main server which isn't yet federating, though.

BTW one neat thing about those 3rd party mod tools is that you won't need to wait for the server owner to act

PREPARE FOR DEFEDERATION

EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!!
- So if I build my instance upstairs I’m good?

Depends on the instance. Some have the BlueSky response. Some have the Xitter response.

Don’t believe me, ask a black Mastodon user.

Yes, but those instances are normally the ones that get blocked by half of the web.
- No I mean instances like mastodon.world who do ok moderating their own users, but are very poor at moderating the instances that federate with them. So any minority users who joins mastodon.world can still be (and is, I’ve seen it) subject to the worst bigotry on the fediverse.
This is why, in the case of Mastodon, it's best to join a smaller instance so it can be more easily moderated.
I'm surprised I haven't seen blue sky at least hire one Trust & Safety professional to coordinate baseline standards for content.
- I'm not. Jack Dorsey is a piece of shit.
- They do have a mod team, but they haven't said much publicly around the hiring of dedicated T&S staff other than that they have positions open
There's a fuck ton of cryptofash on mastodon, and you'll get absolutely flooded with them if you say the wrong thing. Moderation is quick to snuff out those who overtly act hateful but is completely useless to those who mask their bigotry behind liberal politics.

Is there a way to see which instances a Mastodon instance has defederated with? For lemmy instances, for example, you can go to /instances to see a list of other connected and blocked instances.

you can go to /instances to see a list of other connected and blocked instances.

I just did, and noticed a bunch of supposedly-federated mastodon instances, but in reality I've never seen them in my 'all' stream.

Are they not supposed to show up there?
- Lemmy uses a feature called "groups" to denote the community a post is in. Mastodon doesn't support groups yet. Once it does, I would think those posts may federate with Lemmy.
- My understanding is that the 'all' feed only shows posts that come from accounts followed by people on your instance. You can follow anyone from any federated instance; and when you do, their posts will appear in your personal feed, and also in the 'all' feed for everyone on your instance. People are aren't followed by anyone on your instance won't show up in the 'all' section.
- That list shows all instances that your instance is kinda sorta maybe aware of.
  
  For example, if I searched the profile link for someone or some group from a Masto instance and didn't do anything with it, that instance would still get on that list because it asked the Lemmy instance about info on that profile/community.
On desktop there should be a small "about" link in the bottom left, from which there is a "moderated servers" dropdown menu where you can see defederated servers. I don't see anywhere to view the servers you ARE federated with, but if it's listed at ~~Mastodon's official website~~ (whoops, I actually meant this)it's probably in.

I don't see anything on the official Masto app, but that app is just missing a ton of functionality in general.
- the servers you ARE federated with
  
  iirc, that's all down to what accounts your server's users follow. If any users on server A follow users on server B, and neither A nor B block the other, then A is federated with B.
- FYI the official website is https://joinmastodon.org/servers, not whatever you linked to
Only one I found so far was https://fba.ryona.agency/

The caveat is that it was made by kiwifarms
- I've used it to quickly check defederated instances but, yeah, kiwifarms is a problem.
  
  Also, look at the GitGud repo
  
  They literally licensed it under an AGPLV3+[n-word] license

It is pretty fucking cool tbh

Hexbear: click bang

Bang bang bang bang bang bang click click click
Hell yeah
sound
Hey there's a Naz- BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG
also if you look at the main thread not on hexbear, you can see them complaining about lemmygrad being nazis ☠ im glad we have filtered idiots out of this instance
- To those that know me, I'm a notorious emotional masochist (i.e. I spend a lot of time on dogshit), but even I wouldn't go out of my way to see what defederated instances say about us under a throwaway post.
??? Hexbear is defederated left and right because you guys won't stop the Nazis.
- Can you show any evidence of hexbear harboring or not doing enough to stop Nazis? Where did you get this information?
  
  We can't see you from the hexbear side by the way.

Masto doesn't have outright nazis they just have neoliberal fascists, and let me tell you, it has a LOT of them.

Mastodon is a very feels good sanitized version of what is going on in the world right now.

I find Mastodon to be just as toxic as Twitter before X.
- It basically depends who you follow. If you are following toxic people, that is your own fault with mastodon. On Twitter, the algorithm pushes it to you no matter what.

I am still in the beginning of using Mastodon. How does it detect Nazi like speech and what does it consider Nazi like speech?

Since I is decentralized, it is upto the intances. There is no central authority to eject an instance. Rather other instances individually block the instances they find objectionable to their own criterion.

At basic its that. Inpractice moderation federations and coalitions etc. have formed among instances of "we maintain joint blocking list and any of us can suggest new additions to it".

Due to this one can get ejected from rather sizeable swath, if one one the moderation federations puts one on block list and that is pretty much as far as an "you have 24 hours or we boot you". You get booted from all the instances part of that federation/coalition.

Plus stuff like just sources/authors trusted by various instances. "If this guy puts an instance on their published black list, we block. So far that guy has done good job with his list". Ofcourse instance can at any point decide to not trust that list author anymore.

So there is no one "how mastodon does it". Infact this is the one area where "on what instance are you" matters. Since how your home instance decides to do moderation and blocking, that is how your blocking happens. Plus ones personal additions on top.

Mastodon has a moderation action feature, where one can see listing of what instances and user have been blocked or other moderation action taken. There is explanation field there also for moderator to say "why" but obviously that is upto instance on what their policy is on how exacting their moderation documentation policy is.
- Thank you. This was very informational.
It's pretty easy. Nazis have a hard time sticking to real facts, and in the test of time, can't resist reposting blatantly false information in progressively more and more JPGified memes.
- I appreciate the effort but I was leaning towards technologies and methods.

How do I know if an instance is "clean" before I join it?

One indication is that it isn't blocked by many other instances. You can see that (and other info) on this page: https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances
- Oh I didn't even notice my instance had made it onto the "All" section there, that's pretty cool!
I'd say why not ask here?

Make the app for Mastodon similar to Jerboa.

I recommend Tusky for Android
- I use Husky
- Unfortunately, none of the Mastodon applications have a separate button for private messages. Formally, the "Direct messages" button is available in several applications. However, this is a standard input field for all messages where you need to mark with a special icon that you want to send a personal message that only the recipient can view. This is inconvenient and during intensive correspondence you may forget to mark “Only for the addressee” when sending the next message.
  
  I want a simpler and clearer interface like in the Jerboa or Infinity for Reddit applications. However, no one is engaged in such development. All Mastodon applications are similar to one another to one degree or another.