Lemmy.world removes its rules against discrimination

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5.0.1: Before using the website, remember you will be interacting with actual, real people and communities. Lemmy.World is not a place for you to attack other groups of people. Every one of our users has a right to browse and interact with the website and all of its contents free of treatment such as harassment, bullying, violation of privacy or threats of violence.
- In my opinion this is actually better than the CoC. The only thing "missing" is the definition of which qualities you shouldn't discriminate against. But that's now generalized into "groups of people".
  I still can't discriminate against people based on any qualification. Hell, I technically can't discriminate against "pineapple on pizza eaters".
  
  Good. Because it's fucking delicious and I don't care what the internet says. We all loved it in the 90s, and nothing has changed. It's still delicious, we just do less coke now.
  
  I love some pineapple pizza!
  
  As it is worded you can't discriminate against nazis and racists either.
  
  By my reading of it, you can still discriminate against pineapple pizza eaters, or any other group whatsoever, you just can't harass, bully, violate their privacy or threaten them with violence. Which is fine by me, if someone wants to make a community only for ginger haired people and ban anyone they think isn't naturally ginger, that's their perogative.
  
  I like my pineapple pizzas with a bbq base 🤪 don't come after me 😂
  
  Nazis are a group of people. Republicans are a group of people. Pedophiles are a group of people.
  
  Kebab meat and pineapple, thin crust. I will fight to the death for that
- Need some context here: is this what we removed, something that's already somewhere else, a proposed replacement, or something else?
  
  That paragraph is part of the new terms and conditions document they released.

OP completely ignoring 5.0.1

Well they banned me for saying I don't like ads and called it harassment. They have no idea what they are doing and are not fit to be admins of anything.
- Unless you provide the exact text you were banned for, I'll be having my doubts.
  
  https://lemmy.world/comment/3536316
  https://lemmy.world/comment/3535459
  https://lemmy.world/comment/3531009
  Another kind of funny thing is that this is on Lemmy.ml. "A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts."
- Was this during the sync thing?
  To be honest as a mod or admin I would personally get sick of reading the same things over and over again, with sync fans attacking staunch FOSSers and staunch FOSSers attacking sync fans. It only served to get both sides upset for literally no reason, and fracture the community even more.
  Their inboxes would have also likely been flooded out to death during that time with both sides reporting each other over petty remarks
  Doesn't make it right, however I can see why it happened. Probably another reason behind the "dont report something unless its against the terms" rule.
  
  I've definitely never reported anyone related to this. They came to a FOSS community and then got upset when people criticize the propritizing of FOSS software. They should change the rules to not allow any criticize of the ad business model instead of banning people for made up reasons. 🤷
  
  IIRC there was a bit more to it. @ljdawson@lemmy.world care to comment?

Seriously, this is the least of its problems, but it certainly hints at them: https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/554307/Just-wanted-a-warning-Lemmy-World-is-perhaps-worse-than-reddit
Basically, they don't even follow the examples they set in their Terms of Service and will not only ban but purge your entire comment account on a whim because they didn't like the criticism they said they were open to on a post stating that "users may express their questions, concerns, requests and issues regarding the Terms of Service, and content moderation in Lemmy.World." There's no doubt, they were pretty clear they considered the criticism "disagreeing with the terms of service".
Create your user on another instance and save yourself the surprise of encountering admins who abuse their power on a whim. That can be your entire account history down the drain, and the number of comments or the age of the account won't matter to them.
- This is exactly what I experienced when I was part of their top moderator and ban discussion discord channels. They would regularly ban people for little to no reason and then laugh about it and then realize they need to come up with reasons after the fact. This is also how they deal with defederation. They had defederated an instance more than once prior to having any concrete reasons to do so. They operate on gut feeling and disregard their own rules and ToS on the regular.
  Not even Reddit is so unprofessional.
  
  Yeah, I'm really getting the feeling they are just trying to bury it and ignore it. I was having trouble accessing the modlog, but when I was able to, they seemed to have gone through the effort to eliminate a lot of the entries, which included my account purge, ban, and ban reason. They still haven't even bothered to answer the ticket I put up on tickets.mastodon.world, maybe I'll add a screenshot to that later to show the ticket status and the time it has spent as unanswered. No admin has replied to me directly, and the closest I've seen any admin reply on the issue is to criticize the kbin.social instance as reliable because of the criticism they get on them.
  The real problem is this is being done in bad faith, and if that's their core drive, then the only thing they'll do in the future is make-up better sounding excuses to cover their asses.
  
  Well I still think it is a bit odd that you can't really explain why canthidium left your team. It's obvious there is more to this that you try to deflect from answering by going on about how everyone or everything else is the problem but you. And from canthidium's comments back then it looks like he just didn't want to deal with you anymore and that seems credible. Canthidium has some cooking related communities and they seem very chill.
  And tell me, which of the defederation decisions didn't you agree with?
  
  Interesting you only have a problem with this after you got kicked out. Certainly no reason it could be exaggerated or straight up untrue. 🤔

Have you asked the admins/mods of lemmy.world about this before posting this?

Literally Reddit 2.0, but with a FOSS coat of paint.
Lmao, what a shithole.
- Even after moving here FROM Reddit, I can't stand the Redditors here
  
  Hexbear makes for a very nice chill place, although myself I like lemmygrad and have stuck with them for quite a while.
  Lemmygrad is good only if you are an outright pinko.
- Voat 2.0

Redditors gonna Reddit

What were the old rules?

Knowing the admins there they will still ban you for anything you say against their political views...
- Against their political view that racial bigotry discrimination is bad? I sure hope so.
  
  Well they clearly don't like me saying "From the river to the sea."
  So are they really against racial bigotry and discrimination?

The worst part about lemmy world is that all the tech discussions seemed to have moved there. Granted a lot of them are people who dont RTFM but still its not a good consolidation of discussion.
- Ok but
  
  Got dayum.

I feel like I've made the right choice to stick with Kbin.
- Oh yes, Kbin is a nice Lemmy UI
  🫠
  
  I mean, it may not look as sleek, but it feels more familiar to me as a snoo refugee. Plus the particular instance I'm on seems to be relatively drama free.

The new rules also say you’re not allowed to report content for things that aren’t a violation of the terms of service. So if you report a content for being racist, that’s against the rules.
- Unless they changed it - the last time I checked there was an exception for posts violating community rules, so communities who want to exempt themselves can just add a rule IMO
  From my perspective, communities in general instantly remove racist content once reported, and most racial slurs in these contexts are used as a personal attack towards another individual.
  🔥HOT TAKE: There are contexts where racial slurs could be used without bad intentions, such as in a car visual customization community, or in a community with people of colour referencing each other. These slurs are especially used among younger age groups in a casual manner, who may not consider such terms offensive at their current point in life. Of course, such communities can just ban these terms outright with a new rule.
  Unless i'm missing something, I don't see the problem with this
- My fault guys, he is using one of my cooking bowls for his cereal
- Well this is some bullshit. I'm out.
  
  It's absolutely a bullshit take from OP
  
  That was easier than I thought.

Good
- What did they mean by this

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