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The FCC is Expected to Propose the Return of Net Neutrality Protections Oct 19th

www.eff.org The FCC is Expected to Propose the Return of Net Neutrality Protections Oct 19th - Let’s Hope They Get it Right!

Network neutrality is the idea that internet service providers (ISPs) should treat all data that travels over their networks fairly, without discrimination in favor of particular apps, sites or services. It is a principle that must be upheld to protect the open internet. The idea that ISPs could...

The FCC will meet on October 19th to vote on proposing Title II reclassification that would support accompanying net neutrality protections

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The FCC is expected to propose the return of Net Neutrality protections Oct 19th - Let’s hope they get it right

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I will post Fuck Ajit Pai every time I see news about net neutrality until it's fucking back.
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- Fuck Ajit Pai!
  
  That dude was such a fucking cunt
  
  fok Ajit pai
- I mean fuck Ajit Pai and all, but that is a very efficient mug and it doesn't deserve hate for being associated with the grim reaper of digital freedom.
  We need to end unjustified hatred of big mugs now.
- I missed the word "post" on the first read through and was rather concerned about your method of protest.
- Strong and brave 👏👏👏👏
  
  Well you're weak and cowardly

That’s great but can we stop rubberbanding our rights in and out of existence?
- To do that the current party in favor of removing rights needs to be kept out of power long enough that they conclude that removing rights is an electoral loser and changes their ideology accordingly.
  I'm not going to hold my breath.
  
  Even if that happened they still wouldn’t learn or they’d just lie and then do it anyway.
- hopefully at least when ISPs and companies see that it’ll just be back and forth, and that things like “fast lanes” can’t be relied upon in business planning there just won’t be a market for it, or at least the fuckery will be significantly diminished because it’s not reliable long-term
  
  ISP's are also the same companies that market and sell fast lanes(i.e. 5G), and they have bigger bribing/lobbying pockets than everyone on Lemmy and reddit combined. They ain't changing shit and will throw money at it to make sure their business models don't change (hint - look at the supreme court).
  
  I'm not sure long term viability is a huge concern for them as long as they can make a dollar today.

My internet is run by my coop power company, just a reminder that all the major ISPs took billions and promised fiber and then royalty fucked us, so now my internet is run by a rural power company.
Call your power company and find out if they're installing fiber. Support this move as it weakens Comcast and AT&T's death grip.
Net Neutrality has been taken away before and it can be taken away again. Just get with a coop. I've torrented literal terabytes without even an email telling me not to .
- Co-ops are a good thing^tm , I belong to several small co-ops, from electric, to telephone, to farm.
- A coop near us is rolling out 1Gb fiber up/down to rural homes. Considering most of them could only get DSL or use 4G/3G internet, it is amazing. I have to wait to see if they come in town for their rollout, as they have to pay another power company to use their power poles. Everyone I know is switching to the coop as it is cheaper, more stable, and unlimited.
- my power company is privately owned :(
  
  I didn't even know co-op power companies were common, it seems like an odd (but good) service to be provided by a co-op. I wonder if there's any in the UK
- This is a better idea than Net Neutrality. Stop begging government to fix things for you when you and your neighbors can just fix it yourself.
  
  The thing is though public utilities are supposed to be implemented and paid for by the tax payers of the area. Suggesting that the government shouldn't be doing what we pay tax money for doesn't make sense. That would be like saying , "oh, I know your taxes pay for your government to upkeep the roads, but stop bothering them about it and you and your neighbours band together to fix that sink hole, and those potholes, and reline that crosswalk".
  Plus these ISP's took government money to provide and upgrade infrastructure and then didn't do that and faced basically no consequences.

Ajit Pai deserve as many middle fingers as this one.
- I still remember him and his over-sized knock-off reese's mug.
  
  Waiting for the day someone bonks him in the head with that stupid thing
  
  John Oliver's was better.
- Fuck a shit pie
- Burning in hell would be better

Fuck Ajit Pai
- No thanks
  
  He’s got a pretty big mug

Hey Ajit Pai, put this in your Reese's shit cup and suck it

It’s about damn time!!

Maybe this will be the one thing that will fix my ISP and let me play online video games without frequent disconnects. I think it's bad node or something, but I had my ISP at my house over 8 times and they couldn't figure it out. Meanwhile my unifi gateway shows a high ping at least once a day.
Go spectrum!
- Go spectrum!
  I've noticed my Spectrum Internet has really degraded in quality in the last months, which coincides with them doing a whole bunch of upgrades to their network and such.
  All of my devices in the house that use the Internet now lag in their UI presentation speed, where they didn't before.
  
  Same with me. Over the last few months it's started to take tens of seconds to connect to any websites that aren't Google, Facebook, YouTube etc. Idk what it is or why it's happening, but it's to the point where I'm switching ISPs because it's wasting too much of my time.
  
  Change your DNS to see if it's a resolution issue.

I just hope nothing "extra" gets tacked on....

Cool, now break up the monopolies while you're at it FAANG should be like 500 companies, not 5

The internet is healing.........Don't look over there, it's already necrotic...
- We just need to cut that part off. Sorry Facebook, Amazon, Google, et al.

Hell yes. Glad to see some sense returning to government if a bit slowly at times
- Did anything noteworthy happen as a result of removing net neutrality?
  
  What didn't happen was internet being classified as a title II telecommunications service. So there's one consequence.

For anyone who was confused by what "vote to propose" means:
If the FCC issues the notice as expected on October 19th, the next steps would be a public comment phase followed by issuance of a final rule. This process could result in a final rule restoring net neutrality requirements around spring of 2024.

Did companies ever actually do anything after net neutrality went away? I still think it's a great thing to have but just genuinely curious if anything really happened cause I didn't notice much.
- Did companies ever actually do anything after net neutrality went away? I still think it’s a great thing to have but just genuinely curious if anything really happened cause I didn’t notice much.
  Well I doubt if companies would tell you "we are giving you a worse Internet experience so we can make more money", voluntarily.
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/08/15/twitter-x-links-delayed/
  Idk if this is actually a net neutrality issue because they're not an ISP but twitter absolutely added delays to links to websites that Musk doesn't like.
  
  Doesn't apply; X isn't an Internet Service Provider. They can screw over their users how they see fit.*
  *Within bounds of law.
  Edit: added clarification
- It's plausible that some of the websites you like run faster because ISPs aren't throttling them, while throttling the competition.
- My understanding is that they mostly haven't, with a couple exceptions like a few ISPs offering to priorities to pings for gaming (as FeelThePower mentioned), throttle certain protocols (e.g. Torrenting), or refuse to carry traffic for certain sites (e.g. Kiwi Farms). All of this would be prevented under net neutrality.
  As far as I'm aware though, an extremely overwhelmingly portion of traffic (like you'd have to do a lot of digging to find an example otherwise) already adheres to net neutrality since it's pretty pointless for a company to spend resources and goodwill to mess with traffic.
  I don't think too much will change. It is nice in the sense it will prevent an ISP from doing things against specific sites, although like mentioned above most of the protections are theoretical ATM.

Can someone tldr what's net neutrality?
- tldr: net neutrality means everything that uses an internet connection is treated equally. EX: cox communications offers a "fast lane" for gamers on their networks, but if all connections were treated neutrally, everything would be as fast as possible by default without the need for an upgraded service plan.
  
  That's actually kinda backwards.
  User speeds can still be tiered under net neutrality. But the same cap must be applied to all data.
  So they can't slow down a user's Twitch connection versus their connection to YouTube live streaming. It all has to be treated the same.
  A good example was when T-Mobile had 2 gig data plans, but uncapped Netflix usage. So YouTube, Prime Video, etc were at a huge disadvantage to Netflix for those phone users.
  
  Thanks
- Internet infrastructure companies have to treat all traffic equally.
  For example, without net neutrality, Comcast could elect to throttle any streaming services that they didn’t own / co-own. So great speeds for Peacock and Hulu, but was a Max, Netflix, AppleTV, etc all get throttled unless you pay up.
- Can someone tldr what’s net neutrality?
  Simplified, your ISP cannot favor one company over another when delivering their website content to your computer. All data must be delivered equally.
  
  Sounds like a big win for the consumers.

Wait, Net Neutrality was removed?
- One of the many things fucked during the Trump years. Easy to have lost it in all that noise.
- Why do you think paid subscriptions with a tier I've been a thing, it was one of the first things Donald Trump did

What would you all say if I started an ISP that offered $3 a month for service only to a handful of websites? That would be prohibited under Net Neutrality, yet I could see something like that being useful to plenty of people, like my grandparents who use the Internet only to send emails and check their local news.
- I don't like it. If someone only wanted Facebook but then considered fact checking something they read, they wouldn't be able to.
  
  And any link that came up, like to a patient portal from your doctor, might not be supported
- Websites arent just one domain, they use all different kinds of CDN's and external content. If you only whitelist certain domains then virtually all sites you whitelist would be broken anyways.
- How would such a thing be financially viable? Once the ability to connect to any website exists, the physical cost to access everything else is essential nothing.

It will be interesting to see how reddit reacts to this because they were ALL IN on net neutrality back in the day, I was even part of their filing with the FCC, but their recent turn against API features goes patently against the whole notion of Net Neutrality.
- Good chunk of the people who give a hoot about this, have already migrated from Reddit, so hard to say, who knows though? Guess we’ll see

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