Jim Jordan fails again to win speaker gavel in second vote, getting less support than first try
The latest news and updates on the House speaker race as Jim Jordan continues trying to secure the votes. Democrats have nominated Hakeem Jeffries.
Sounds like they could easily solve this problem by making Hakeem Jeffries speaker.
Honestly, it could be a real power move for some blue state republicans to flip parties. If they could pull a Reagan and say that the Republican Party has changed but they haven’t, they could take both the democratic voters and centrist republicans while losing the MAGAs, and still carry their district.
That would be something for the history books.
I doubt they would be trusted at this point. Too many burnt bridges in the MAGA lifetime. They are on life support.
They don't even have to flip outright to Democrats, they could simply announce they are now Independent. They are probably getting a Primary challenger regardless, and maybe Democrats pay back the favor by forgetting to run a candidate in that district.
What share of Republican voters are flexible enough to decide to vote for the Democrats just so they don't support the Trump/MAGA movement? Because these people would need need to decide to vote Republican come next election and US electors seem to be very entrenched in their support for one party or the other, no matter what...
It could, but brass tacks: Who are these people? I mean which Reps could survive jumping ship here with their political careers intact? I'm genuinely curious because I love the idea. I just don't see it for the same reason I don't see a single Dem flipping to get a more center Republican speaker.
If you defect, you basically have to swap parties entirely, because you're not just signing up for the Speaker. You also have to expect to protect him or her from the next motion to vacate. And the next. So in for a penny, in for a pound.
This is the same reason it takes a majority to elect the Speaker in the first place: Otherwise you have a House with a Speaker that still can't actually govern.
I think you mean HAAAKEEEEM JEEFFFRIEEES
I hadn't heard that. That's fantastic. It reminds me of Barack Obama's announcement in his Epic Rap Battle of History
The correct pronunciation.
Thank you for that!!! Haha
Even tactically it would be the smart move for the Republicans.
If nothing gets done, they can blame the Democratic speaker, if things get passed the wingnuts don't like, they can blame it on the Democratic speaker, meanwhile, the republicans from the slightly more swingy states get creds with more moderate voters, when they vote sensibly.
But nooo, Republicans can only stand either having it all or blocking it all.
Even tactically it would be the smart move for the Republicans.
Republicans have painted themselves into a corner on this issue by refusing to reject the fascism that has taken over the GOP. Fascism requires "others" to blame. You see it over and over. "This is all the fault of foreigners from X." "This is because of Y minority group." And of course, one of the "others" is always whatever the rival political party is. In this case, the Democrats.
For a fascist, it's unthinkable to work with one of the "others". It would be like Hitler partnering with Jewish people.
Republicans are already blaming Democrats bizarrely for not voting for McCarthy, at a time when McCarthy and all of the Republicans were blaming Democrats for everything, and vowing never to work with them again.
What we really need is a small group of Republicans to say the situation plainly. "The GOP is letting fascists take over and is becoming unamerican. I will not be able to support GOP leadership until they publicly reject fascism and eject extremists like Trump, Gaetz, and Greene from the party. I will still vote for my constituency's conservative values, but I cannot let fascists control American politics, and so for House leadership, I am forced to vote for my conscience and support Hakeem Jeffries."
In my opinion there's no chance of that happening. The next speaker will definitely be a republican.
There's no chance of them crossing the aisle to elect a Democrat, yes.
But there's also no chance of them siphoning off Democratic votes if they're unwilling to give anything up, and can't be trusted even if they offer something juicy.
So there's about as much chance that they'll elect Jeffries as there is that they'll elect one of their own.
Important points:
That last point is the most important
Some of the people who didn't vote for Jordan yesterday voted for him today; some of the people who voted for Jordan yesterday didn't vote for him today.
That's amazing.
I have to say. I never understood why the grandmother in "Mars Attacks" laughed so hard when they "Blew up Congress".
Now I do.
I needed to see it!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl3a1hh1hHQ
ACK ACK ACK ACK!
I still feel the same today after a third ❌ vote.
They get like $1,300/day for this?
Traitor, pervert, sex offender
Enough about Trump.
You're going to have to be more specific. That sadly doesn't narrow it down much.
Let's play a game: does this describe three GOP reps, or one GOP rep?
Yes.
Most GOP reps?
Only three?
John le Carré really went off the rails with his later books huh?
Eat shit, Gym Jordan!
What a silly clown show. I sure hope the Democrats can retake the House; the cons are not fit to lead a popsicle stand.
I am hopeful that this will hasten the breakaway of the far right from the republican party into a completely new 3rd party. It seems like this would only help dems.
It would only help dems, which is why it's unlikely. Best thing we can hope for is the republican party is pushed further right, which leads to the democrats absorbing even more center-right politicians, and then we have a few decades of milquetoast Democratic dominance until something big changes the dynamic.
At this point the only way out of this is for independents to not vote for Republicans but vote for Democrats instead.
At the moment there are no independent representatives in the House. We have two vacancies, but it's one Democrat and one Republican.
If you mean in the long run, at the next election, sure; but we can't wait that long for this mess to be sorted out.
At the moment there are no independent representatives in the House.
Actually, I was speaking about independent voters, not members of the House or Senate.
Thank you, Rep. Gaetz, for the opportunity to see the GOP in a lose-lose situation.
The circus continues 🤡
Kek. The US Republican can't stop shooting itself in the foot, even as its Israeli ally is crying for help. If I am Netanyahu, I'll get new allies.
It's absurd that we require a majority vote for house speaker. It should be as simple as whoever gets the most votes. Or you have to vote for A or B for your vote to even be counted. None of this "present" nonsense.
212 vs 199, ok Hakeem Jeffries wins.
Most likely, this would make the Republicans vote for whoever their candidate is, rather than a minority Democrat winner.
Not saying I disagree with you per se. I had the same thought when reading this news.
The current system was probably designed to promote compromise, even across party lines. But we all know how well that's working out these days.
Plurality voting is one of the best systems if your goal is to elect someone that most people don't want.
This!
Have two+ really good candidates and an awful one with niche appeal.
Guess who plurality gives the awful one a great chance at winning.
This is such a bad idea. Do you think people would vote the exact same way if this was how it works instead?
Majority vote would lead to even more deadlocks and partisanship
That Trump endorsement sure is powerful.
14 more to go to break McCarthy's record.
This time they don’t have the shitlicking wannabe propaganda minister Cucker Tarlson weighing in and putting his thumb on the scale in favor of the Qult45 candidate.
Oh wow, I'd forgotten all about that guy
What a fucking pedofilic treasonous loser.
Maybe his campaign should ramp up the threatening texts to his cohorts.
He went from 200 the first round to 199 the second.
Give it up Gym. The Democrats have the high ground.
Ladies and gentlemen, the House Republican Theme Song.
I was hoping for that lol
Please drop out, Jordan. You don't belong anywhere near the levers of power.
Bwahahahaha! And I can't stress this enough: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
This was the title NBC News put when I hit the share button. If it changes later I can change it here too.
Editable titles on posts. What a time to be alive!
Don't worry Jim, I've heard that the 15th try is the charm.
The second season of “lol these fucking idiots” is already even better than the first
LMAO
I had guessed that he'd get fewer votes partially as a meme but it actually happened!
At this point I think the Israel conflict is going to force enough House Republicans to elect Jeffries so they can react to the situation and potentially give aid.
"Republican infighting causing dysfunctional House prevents aid to Israel after Hamas attack" is not a headline that I think even their voters want to see.
Monty Python presents: Jim Jordan Falls Short Again
Thoughts and prayers
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Last night, she criticized Jordan in a tweet and said she planned to "vote present or propose another name, if needed procedurally, until Jim reconciles with members."
"While the Republican candidate for speaker is making late night backroom deals to secure the gavel, Leader Jeffries has once again extended the hand of bipartisanship for a path forward," he said.
Jordan is the only candidate in the race for House speaker, but he’s still struggling to win enough support from rank-and-file Republicans to get elected in a formal floor vote.
In addition to Kelly, there are several Republicans on board with the idea of formalizing McHenry’s powers, including Reps. Ken Buck of Colorado, Dave Joyce of Ohio, Carlos Gimenez and Mario Diaz-Balart, both of Florida, and Lori Chavez-DeRemer of Oregon.
“After two weeks without a speaker of the House and no clear candidate with 217 votes in the Republican conference, it is time to look at other viable options," Joyce told NBC News.
Jordan has distanced himself from some of the hardball tactics of his allies and supporters — some of whom have engaged in a very public pressure campaign online and in conservative media against his political opponents.
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I think the democrats should nominate Trump, so the house GOP can tear itself apart deciding whether to vote for or against him.
Or offer to vote in a compromise candidate, then immediately file a motion to vacate the second he's been elected, and have the GOP vote against their candidate again.