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What's your "old person" trait?

My old person trait is that I think 'ghosting' is completely unacceptable and you owe the other person a face-to-face conversation.

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I think that a basic lifestyle should be affordable for a basic person
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- i’m gonna go one further:
  i think everybody should be allowed to live a decent enough life, whether they can work or not.
  
  I'll go even further and say that meeting the needs of a population is the only point of having a society at all.
  
  One further, and one better
  
  I don't think that is an old person trait. You are just secretly Nordic.
- Crazy how that is an unpopular opinion these days
- As a very basic person, I agree
- All this automation should mean that there's less work to do for everyone's needs to be met. Not sure where all this scarcity came from.

My OPT is that you should be able to buy and own your software instead of perpetually renting it.
- My old person trait is that I think we need less acronyms
  That said I do agree with you
  
  My old person trait is to inform people that they meant to say "fewer."
  
  Haha. I typed it that way out of laziness, sorry 😺
- Come to open source... you don't have to rent or buy software. Find yourself a good alternative.
  
  Thanks!
  I've been a happy Linux user since 99 and Mandrake was my first distro 👌
  Still, the only piece of (subscription-based) software that's keeping me from deleting the windows partition: Premiere pro 🤡
  
  Thanks for that link. Honestly. I think an old thing is that I’ve gotten used to convenience and a going through a list like that sometimes doesn’t seem worth the time even though I know deep down that it is.
- You can. I think it's called "pirate bay", but don't quote me on that. ;)
  
  When I was younger I would be there with you. Now as I’m older I just want it to work and the Pirate Bay is hit or miss sometimes.
  
  Not sure if you're joking or not, but just in case... stop downloading media manually. Look into Radarr, Sonarr, and Lidarr. You can self-host on any PC using Docker.
- And this is why I buy still buy copies of 2015 Office from eBay
  
  I'm so goddamned sick of Microsoft and its greedy bullshit. I just looked at a recent KB update from them and the article must have breathlessly mentioned the word "subscription" 50 times.
  After years of being a MS corporate stooge type, I finally started messing around with LibreOffice. It can read MS Office files. Check it out if you haven't already.
- I don't think you can "own it" in the traditional sense, but I'd be ok with a software purchase being a perpetual license for the specific version you purchased.

My old person trait is that none of the things mentioned in the linked image happened on accident.
They happened because capitalism doesn't give a fuck about anything except bleeding as much money as conceivably possible out of each and every human.
Apps allow companies to suck more data out of your device than a website, allowing them to sell more of your data and... make more money.
Video games needing access to the internet is simply Digital Rights Management and a way to prevent piracy and... make more money. Remember, most companies view something pirated as a "lost sale," not that you would have never purchased it to begin with. As Gabe Newell once said:
“We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem,” he said. “If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate’s service is more valuable."
This one speaks for itself. Being able to be in control of the products you buy is freedom. Having products controlled remotely by a corporation is giving them carte blanche to make more money off of you.
Removing accessible customer service means more people will just give up on trying to get their problem solved, effectively allowing the company to steal from people and... shocker... make more money.
I agree, in theory, in respect to ghosting, but we live in a society that teaches us to be isolated, and doesn't teach interpersonal skills unless the interpersonal skill is "Fuck you, got mine." (which is, not surprisingly, a thing about making more money.)
In other words, these aren't old people opinions. These are "I'm not gonna let capitalism absolutely fuck me endlessly" opinions.
- At least in Europe I suspect those of us who grew up before neoliberalism took over in the 80s have a different take on the normality of the whole "being treated as a mark to scam money of 24/7" thing...
- Where do I sign up to buy the awards around here?
  Kidding…great post, tho
  
  That's what the emojis are for. Unlike the shitshow most of us just came from, here it doesn't cost real money to add a tiny picture of 🏅 to a comment.
- In terms of piracy, I wonder how much could be prevented by having demos, like Factorio does
  
  Demos used to be everywhere back in the day! I think they have a huge impact, because it's a way to try to play a game without dumping all the money on it without knowing what the gameplay is like and if its actually fun.
  When I was a kid, DOOM having the first episode of the game available as shareware was huge and I used to walk to my friends place after school and watch him play until he would get bored and let me play for a while.
  From an old interview in 1999 with John Carmack about this very subject (emphasis mine):
  Carmack: DOOM 2 was explicitly a commercial release. We sort of half heartedly did some shareware distribution with Quake, but I think the industry has almost unanimously decided that the three or so level demo is the best test vehicle.
  A lot of people consider themselves to have "finished DOOM" when they just finished the shareware episode.
  
  Funny how Steam has been making sales and events around demos for a while (called Next Fests) and some games absolutely blow up out of nowhere thanks to them.
  Also some people think FF16 having a demo was some weird, oddball marketing move by Square Enix, except they have been making "try now, continue later" demos for games since Bravely Default.
- It's specifically capitalism driven by GDP. Capitalism is bad but adding GDP is like removing any ethic and moral compass.
- Well said, I'm going to save this for when my friends inevitably say something about it and I have to explain why the economy, expessially in the US sucks and why I might eventually leave
- Lol

I think cars should not be dependent on a touch screen for ANY of it's functions (or really have one at all). They are more difficult to use than tactile buttons, distracting, and do not receive long term support from the OEM.
What do you do with a 10 year old car that runs but the touch screen nuked due to age, firmware bugs or mechanical damage? Ford isn't going to be selling replacement units 10 years later and I have yet to see an 'infotainment' system that has aftermarket replacement considerations.
- Totally agree with this one.
  I drive an old 06 and I much prefer using the the physical buttons to adjust things like music, volume, air settings. Even prefer using it to back up and having to use my mirrors and look back.
  My '18 vehicle is all touch screen, cameras,etc. While the a/c functions better and I don't feel like my fillings are going to fall out from all the rattles and bumps, I find there is a real disconnect. I am even asked by others why I lean over and look at the back window when reversing.
  I work in tech and I don't trust tech.
  
  “If you think technology will solve your problems, you don't understand technology—and you don't understand your problems.” - Bruce Schneier
- I spent a decade as am automotive locksmith, and watching things regularly fail on cars that passed through my shop has made me terrified with the touch screen. I cannot imagine replacing one of those and how easily first parties can lock replacement behind getting it done at one of their shops.
  
  "Wait, who are you? How did you get in my car?"
  "I'm a locksmith, and I'm a locksmith."
- Yep. 100% agree. My new-ish Toyota RAV4 strikes an acceptable balance with touch screen vs real buttons/knobs. I don't think anything critical is on the touch screen except maybe the equalizer. The touch screen isn't massive either, but big enough to have a useful backup camera display.

My old person trait is that instructions do not need to be videos.

My old person trait is that when I purchase a printer, I should be able to use whatever is the cheapest compatible ink without the printer treating me like I'm smuggling unicorn blood out of Narnia
- I bought a brother laser printer when my company sent us to WFH in March 2020 and I haven't looked back. Just replaced the ink (er, toner) in March 2023
  
  I've heard excellent things about Brother being the least extortionate printer in the market. How well does it work on Linux by the way?
- You get what you pay for. If you buy a loss-leader they will of course try to get more out of you
  
  I don't know why they are booing you, you're right! If you don't want a printer that's a loss leader with expensive ink then buy a tank printer or a laser printer.
  Cartridge based inkjet printers are almost always a loss leader and you also buy the part that does the printing every time you buy a cartridge. The print heads are actually on the cartridge, not in the printer at all.
  Tank based inkjet printers are very different - the printer costs more but the ink is cheap. They also have no way of knowing what brand ink you use since it's just ink - not a whole set of print heads and a microchip. This is all because the print heads are part of the printer - not included with the ink in a cartridge.
  Laser printers are also great but they get even more complex. They have drum units which can be part of the toner cartridge or a separate unit that needs replacing periodically depending on the design of the printer.
- I’ve bought 2 separate cannon i80s (because I have a ton of leftover ink I got for very cheap) and its the best printer I’ve ever used
- I'm glad Brother laser printers seem to work well with third party toner and any error message is easy to override
- It is often reasonable to handwrite everything to avoid printers
  
  I once heard that the Russian security bureau was so paranoid about bugged computers, that they still fill forms with mechanical typewriters just in case.

I prefer written guides to video guides.
Video has some clear advantages when showing off a 3D space and otherwise, but I dislike pausing them over and over. Especially if my hands are covered in oil and grease, a paper version is superior to a screen.

I refuse to use subscription software. If I can't buy it outright, I either use an alternative or take to seas.

my old person trait is that you should keep your internet identity completely separate from your real one

My old person trait is I shouldn't have to scan a QR code for the menu at a sit-down where I'm dropping $100 on entrées. Give me a dang physical copy of the menu!

I hate all websites that move things around as they load. If I see a button, that button should stay where it is when I try to click it.

For the love of god stop with the QR code menus. I don’t want to have to scroll up and down a million times to figure out my order.
- QR menus are the first thing that popped into my mind too. SO irritating.
  There's two places (one restaurant and one brewery) near me that was only QR menus for a long time and recently they've switched back to physical ones and it's so much better
- I'm actually OK with QR code menus, but only when done well. It's nice to be able to place an order and pay anytime without having to wait for a waiter to come by or have them constantly bother you.
  However, I've run into a lot of really poorly done QR code menus that just don't work 50% of the time.
  
  Experientially, sending the whole party to their phones is a buzz kill and I’d reckon likely causes delays in ordering and consensus as people get distracted. Conversely, some places let you pay the check on mobile which is choice as fuck.
- Plus, my shit phone takes multiple attempts for the reader to actually work, then I have to download the PDF for the menu (one of the reasons my phone is shitty is because everything fights for device storage space).
  Just give me the plastic coated pages of a menu to page through. I promise I won't wipe my boogies on the pages or lick my fingers while browsing.

My old person trait is that I think I should be able to have anything I purchased repaired/serviced by whomever I wish, with whatever parts they deem acceptable.
- Right to repair is a human right.

In regards to OP's comment about ghosting, I just want to ask, are you a man? Because women all-too-often have to deal with men who can't take no for an answer, and some of those men go from mad to violent very quickly. You might say "well, no man should act that way, they should be able to hear 'I don't want to see you anymore' and just accept it and move on" but the fact is they are not all able to do that. So should women do the respectful thing and stop ghosting, even though some of them definitely WILL end up being yelled at/attacked/killed?
(I know my example doesn't cover all situations involving ghosting, like for instance if the ghoster is a man. If you want to modify your claim to be 'ghosting is unacceptable, except in cases where having a face-to-face conversation could put someone in danger' then I guess I'd agree with that statement. It's just that it's really hard to know which person will be dangerous when they are turned down.)

My old person trait is dislike of video-form social media. I consider blaring my phone speakers at max volume disrespectful to those in my surroundings and generally annoying.
Hence why my social media of choice was reddit and is now lemmy+kbin. It's mostly text posts and images.

my old person trait is thinking that all of the above are extremely reasonable expectations and it's a sad world we live in where most of those aren't the case anymore

Owning physical media > "owning" digital media.

As someone who works in a call center, screw that last person on here. So sorry you hate the automated system. Sorry you had to wait on hold. They can't keep enough of us employed because y'all are fucking mean and no one wants to be abused for $15/hr.
Er, I mean, Thank you for calling, sorry about your wait!
- Don't you think you could both be victims? Waiting for ages listening to a 13 second loop of music interspersed with "your call is important to us" might make people a bit more angry?
  You should be mad at the people who gain financially from it, and could make it better for you and the customers, but might have to skip that third yacht for little Timmy.
- I had two friends quit call centers within a month of joining because it immediately sent them into a depression.
  I'm sorry for everything you have to deal with at work.
- I wish call center software had better features on dealing with overburdened staff. Callbacks are a great thing to avoid having to be on the phone constantly. A dash of statistics might be nice to recommend an alternative time to call to get a better wait time.
- Worked in a call center for a long time and I somewhat agree with the last person.
  It's often easier to deal with something with a real person. That is not the issue.
  The issue is people being polite and respectful. If everyone was a decent human being, call centers would be a good place to work and they wouldn't be understaffed.
  
  If everyone was a decent human being, call centers would be a good place to work and they wouldn't be understaffed.
  That wouldn't really be true, since working conditions are determined entirely by the employer.
  In other words, no matter how nice a job may be, there's a boss entirely willing to underpay and overwork their staff to maximize profit.
  
  So what you are saying is that you should be allowed to categorise them into nice and "wait until smb. Will find the energy tot talk to them"?
- I hate waiting 30+ minutes to talk to someone but I also never take it out on the rep. But really, something needs to be done it's ridiculous.
- I'm always nice to the call center people, they've been good to me. Sometimes the automated system is so frustrating that I worry my frustrated tone of voice carries over to the beginning of the call with the actual person so I feel like I have to be like "holy hell the phone bot is annoying, if I sound frustrated I'm just recovering, it's not you." I totally get that it's a hard job, though. I always feel bad when the person is super apologetic for taking some time and I'm like "no, no, it's cool. Take all the time in the world, if you can fix my issue I'll be so happy." Just makes me think they get pressured a lot by bosses / customers :|.

My old person trait is I hate short-form videos e.g. Instagram reels and TikTok videos. The back and forth boomer vs millenial vs gen z videos remind me of someone who is talking to themself with different personalities.

I like having a keyboard and mouse. Doing things on a smartphone is a last resort.

My old person traits are most of all posted here because I am an old person.
But I'll add that my old person traits is that I think a living wage should support... er... living, including a place to live, food to eat, paying for services, buying clothes, getting decent public health and education, and even have spare money for your free time (hobbies, eat out, theatre, concerts, etc.).

I prefer landscape videos over vertical videos. I still remember when vertical videos were clowned on so hard that there were songs written about it. Now it's how everyone consumes their content!

An urge to destroy fascism.
- Just don't follow the US lead and hire all the ex-fascists for your space program. Destroy it all the way this time.

My old person trait is thinking a family should be able to live in a house if one member has a stable job (maybe two people if both are at minimum wage).

my old person trait is remembering that it didn't use to be this hot in the summer where I live.

My old person trait is that I want video to be horizontal.

The idea of "keep it simple, stupid" is lost. Everything, from beauracracy to apps to games to social interactions, is mired in unnecessary complexity that makes it difficult for everyone to keep up. I want a simple website with information that I need (thank you Wikipedia for upholding this). I want an airline loyalty membership without insane fine-print rules. I want to tip services based on service provided and not mess around a tablet's interface. I want dental insurance where I'm not leaving the office with a bill that's almost half my rent becuase they did something my insurance said in fine-print wouldn't cover. Maybe these aren't "old person" traits and I'm just here venting. But damn if I don't miss when certain things were simpler.

My fucking back hurts. Knee joints as well. And I think socializing is overrated.

My old person trait is that I'm unreasonably annoyed by people who don't write in full, correct, complete sentences, punctuation and grammar included.
Something interesting I've found is that people use 'lol' to show disinterest or mock the person they're replying to, not to show amusement. And that's not the kind of person I really want to engage with.

These aren't "old person traits". It's common sense.

I have a few. And I'm not even that old (mid thirties)
People who talk on phone calls using airpods or similar look ridiculous in public, like they're utter lunatics talking to themselves or their imaginary friend.
people who view life through their mobile phones are unfortunate and sad. Like...why pay money to go see a gig if you're going to view it through your phone screen? I went to a wedding last week and I was one of the very few who was actually watching the procession with my own eyes rather through a camera app.
Not being on social media should be an accepted norm, not a fucking exception. This is an issue when dating, unbelievably.

My old person trait is only tipping if someone is actually providing a service for me. I don’t tip at all if I’m lifting a finger for anything.
- You sound like you would love the ultimate full service restaurant that VLDL demonstrated: https://youtu.be/MTFQdTtxaqw

My old person trait is thinking that the internet shouldn't just be a place to sell products.

I want a proper headphone jack on my phone! Bluetooth can be convenient, but I prefer wired headphones.
- *buys wireless device *looks inside wires
  
  It said wire less, not wire free
- Check out the Sony phones. Still have headphone jacks
  
  oooh nice tip, thanks
- An optional second usb c port would be better

When I buy an aplliance or something simple like a speaker I don't want to have to connect it to the web to work properly. I want to just plug it in and use the function I bought it for.

My old person trait is that most of these sound like very recent problems

My actual old people trait is that there should be two spaces after a period. I will die on this stupid fucking hill. Even though computers automatically change it to one space. Like here.
- I'd downvote but I've come to the understanding that I shouldn't downvote if I disagree, so... Take my upvote, truly an old people trait
- It was necessary with typewriters.
  Then the earliest word processing programs didn’t do layout well, so the habit made the leap to computers.
  Then years later it’s seen as an old person’s habit by people who’ve only ever known systems with smart text layout.
  
  One of the best conversations I ever had was when I had taken psilocybin mushrooms and was wandering around downtown and found my way to the local typewriter museum.
  I was stoned out of my gourd, but wildly, I don't think that was evident to the historian, because he eagerly answered all my questions and showed me all manner of typewriters and early word processors.
  It was wonderful. We truly do stand on the shoulders of giants, all of humanity stands on the knowledge of those who came before. The history of technology is amazing.
  
  Well before typewriters the space left after a period could be huge like 5-20 spaces (hand written or in printed books) even though we don't have typewriters dictating it it does help readibilty.
- I succumbed to the single-space-after-periods madness a few years ago. I'm used to it now, but the transition was hard.
- This is the only true OPT in the thread. The rest are middle aged traits at best.
- Two spaces after a period is my eccentricity as a writer.
  It's not even legitimately gained by being that old...I had a crush on this science teacher and HE was old enough to use two spaces. So I did. And 20 years later I still haven't shaken it.
  The only good thing is that nothing else legitimately uses a double space, so find and replace is quite easy.
  
  I had a crush on this science teacher and HE was old enough to use two spaces. So I did. And 20 years later I still haven’t shaken it.
  I don't know why but this is so adorable. Thanks for the cute story.
- I cannot stop myself from adding two spaces!
  
  It just looks nicer and less crammed together!
  Two spaces after the period vs one space after the period is English major equivalent of "tabs vs. spaces" for computer science majors.
- It has the advantage of distinguishing abbreviations (e.g. "e.g.", "i.e.") from sentence stops, so that's why the GNU coding standards recommend using two spaces in code comments, to allow emacs to be able to properly detect sentences and correctly use commands like (backward-sentence, forward-sentence and kill-sentence)
- Computers automatically change it?? I see two spaces here In what you wrote. Typically phone and things like word have settings to show double space after period as single or not and some android keyboard apps auto correct spaces. But I hate single space it makes it hard to read. Punctuation and Capitalization it helps the reader.
  
  Try highlighting what I wrote. Even when I edit it, it will show the two spaces I added, but when it posts to the website, the formatting is changed to a single space. When I go to highlight and copy any of the text I posted, only single space.

I DO NOT owe you a text back. If I'm not physically w you, I owe you very little in terms of interaction. I come home, throw my phone under the bed, and ignore till morning, and I prob won't answer you then either. It's not personal...usually.

These are not old person traits, these are just things that most people agree upon.

I think I should be allowed to order food from a restaurant without needing to scan a QR code which requires me to have a smart phone and an active, paid plan in order to access their menu.
- Yes! My OPT is that people shouldn't have their phones out when you're out for a meal. The whole QR code menu thing forces you to start your outing staring at your phone!
  
  Wait, you mean you're sat down AT the restaurant and you need to get out your phone to view the menus???
- I think the move to delivery apps is also a bad move.
  
  I agree. I never understood why having a stranger deliver your food was considered safer than just picking it up yourself during the beginning of covid. That's another person handling your food.
  Not to mention restaurants and drivers get ripped off.
- I'm on the fence about this. On one hand I don't get handed a wet plastic menu someone has just wiped off, or maybe has dried sauce on it. Also it is easier for them to add updates to their menu digitally instead of using a sharpie to cross through items and prices that no longer apply. But I also agree having to look at the whole menu on my small phone screen isn't the best experience.

I disagree that you owe a face to face conversation. No one should forced to go meet someone if they don't feel like it.
In the context of dating, if you get ghosted, consider that the person is not interested in you after all - and just move on. No big deal.

Likely an outdated one, or one that's already been given a number of times, but – Physical Books.
I'm not entirely 'anti' e-reader, the benefits are obvious. I'm just VERY pro physical book.

For me, I miss the days when you could browse a website without popups for cookie consent, creating/signing up for an account, paying them money, and disabling your ad blocker.

The third one is my old person trait. Also, grumpiness, and wanting the right to repair my own devices.

My old person trait is when someone offers me coffee, I look at my watch.

Mine is that I miss the days when physical media (DVDs, VHS, etc) was the main way to own media

I don't want an iPad glued to my car's dashboard. Touch screens are fine but the current screen sizes and placement are ridiculous. It's a car, the screen shouldn't be distracting you.

Dumb TVs, its either 1.5k plus or you will literally never find one. I don't wanna be profiled or have some stupid android is on it. All it needs to do is display images on screen.
- If you never connect it to the internet.... It stays dumb.
  
  Not necessarily, I've seen "smart" tvs that require internet to have any level of functionality :(
  
  A lot of them require internet for setup 🙃
- Buy large Computer screens
- Nah, screw the smart or dumb labelling.
  I just want TV's to be able to change channel within half a second. More and your product is trash
- Yeah the smart ones are cheaper due to being subsidised by the sale of the data they can suck from them.
- You can get a 50" Hisense dumb TV for about $300 on Amazon. The picture isn't as good as some of the other brands, but it's still serviceable.

Yeah that line was used by my abusers way to often. They just "can't understand" why I'd go no contact. As if the last 300 explanations were somehow non existent. Nope. I don't owe you anything.
And my old person trait is my walking stick I suppose.

I kinda agree with you op on ghosting being unacceptable, but NOBODY is entitled to see my face NO ONE. It is not ghosting to straight up tell someone "I am no longer interested in continuing to stay in contact with you."
Likewise, my old person trait is the belief that your identity and all details pertaining to it are PERSONAL including voice, likeness, biometric statistics, location, interests - basically, the default human presence online is TEXT ONLY AND NO DESCRIPTION OF ANYTHING CONCRETE until and unless they choose to intentionally disclose more, and nobody, not one mother FUCKING person OR THING has the right to demand of you any more than that. Lastly, that you should guard your information greedily and viciously.

My old person trait is that I don't like short form video, I learn and internalize less and find that my day is chipped away at by tiktok or youtube shorts when I allow myself to watch them.

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