This concept for budget double decker airline seating
This concept for budget double decker airline seating
This concept for budget double decker airline seating
Everytime I see these I always take solace in one simple fact. This would never be able to pass any disability or accessibility act.
"We'll just put the disabled passengers in the cargo hold. Problem solved."
If I pretend to be disabled can I fly there too?
... I could fly with my dog then? (I've not traveled with her, because being alone in the cargo sounds like a torment I would not wish on anyone). But if I can be there, too, that's a whole other scenario
Not to mention safety requirements for rapidly escaping a plane in the event of an emergency
Though tbf, with planes how often do emergencies fall between the "it's dangerous to stay here" and "you can get off the plane safely if you're quick" thresholds? I'd think that due to their nature, most situations will either be "no rush" or "not much we can do about it now". Things like emergency exits seem more like safety theatre than anything else IMO.
They only put them down the center with regular seats along the windows.
First class, second class, cargo class.
I'm gonna be real, I totally forgot that planes have middle lanes. Every plane that I've ever been on has been a relatively small in comparison. Some of them fucking frighteningly so. When my knees are touching the back of the pilot I'm usually having concerns other than the legroom.
These will not see the light of day until the industry coughs up enough money to buy off enough legislation oversight to make the FAA egress rules "agreeable".
Imagine trying to evacuate in a rush. Also, deep vein thrombosis.
If you can't afford business class seats, are you even worth saving?
Dvt would likely be less of an issue with your legs out vs bent at the knee. Less gravity for your heart to fight against.
God, that's totally true. I can't imagine how they would try to make that work.
This seems incompatible with a pretty high proportion of Americans.
Y'all getting kinda thicc too, no offense.
It's funny because you don't know which country he's from but it still applies anyway because everyone is getting fatter
Relevant username
Tremendously incompatible, if 1/10 of what is portraid on movies is true.
Extra cushioning for crashes, just have to wear a xxxl diaper.
With your face right at prime fart receiving level. Wtf.
Even for the people who would get off on that, their joy would turn to frustration when the flight attendant asked them to stop masturbating.
Middle seat would have enough time to finish before they could stop you.
This guy right here officer
The Pink Eye Express.
Sounds like a real gas, man.
Someone shits their pants. Good god
Pretty soon they're just going to roofie people and pack them into planes like sardines.
Multipass!
Honestly it's like teleporting then so I'm on board.
They could just tip the nose of the plane 90 degrees in the air and then have a slide or funnel that dumps you into the fuselage. You'll just want to be sure to buy first-class tickets so that you'll be at the top of the pile.
Get a tamper to pack em in a little
A la Fifth Element.
Why did they say if like it was a bad thing? I want this to be a thing.
If you stack people alternating head-first, feet-first, head-first, they will tesselate much better. Airlines eventually won't be able to resist the profit margin.
I don't absolutely hate it, but I'm 6'3", so fully stretching my legs out on a plane is always just a pipe dream.
I'm sure they'd make them fit only average size people, unfortunately.
Do you see how that lady’s feet are? They’re probably up against a wall, and I don’t think she’s 6’3”
Same height, same dreams.
As another tall person my knees ache just looking at this photo
I think they should just have rows of bunk beds. It's much easier to stack something flat than people with their awkward bends at the hips and knees.
unsurprisingly the ship and train industry figured this shit out like literally a century ago
The airlines can maximize that idea as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks\_(1781\_ship)#/media/File:Slaveshipposter.jpg
God, I would love that. I can't sleep sitting up, even when I'm really tired. Long plane rides are torture.
Window seat dude needs to take a piss, watch the fun ...
Also, why the fuck is she smiling?!
I think these only go down the center based on the photo.
She's smiling because she's being paid to smile.
Acting!
One day they'll invent super-economy class where you just get strapped to the wings and released over your destination. Parachutes will cost extra.
At least there'd finally be room.
I think whoever thought of this concept should die
Eh. Fewer passengers per plane is worse for the environment, and lying down is great for people with back problems. I can see the pluses.
Where are the overhead baggage bins? No carry-on bags? If they go in the hold, how do you make it bigger?
This design is similar but not the same as OG post. Although still shitty, its quite an improvement over the orgional.
Those steps DEFINITELY aren't a safety hazard.
The newer version from the link looks less bad than this picture, but still dystopian as fuck. We need to make airline travel cheaper somehow rather than having the airline industry come up with their own ideas to try and pack people in like cattle.
Cheaper? What kinda crack are you smoking? Shit is destroying the planet, it needs to be a LOT more expensive.
This extra passenger density would make it cheaper per person, right? More fuel efficient, too.
imagine this plane crashing.
Just like all plane crashes, everyone would die.
Not sure if you're just joking, but plenty of people survive plane crashes. Most crashes aren't just a plane falling out of the sky at full speed. Survival rates are around 95%.
Imagine this plane with a fire on board before takeoff and now the unfit overweight masses have to evacuate.
Imagine a new meaning to the phrase "upper decker".
As someone who doesn't have claustrophobia, I feel claustrophobic just looking at this. Then again, I've never been on a plane before, and for all I know this might be better :/
I had very bad claustrophobia the time I got rolled in a carpet with only my head sticking out or the time I got closed in a trunk. Flew around 12 times on airplanes and they are mostly just uncomfortable and annoying. Maybe I grew out of it 🤷
Are you a cartoon or something?
Who keeps abducting you?!
I think theres just so much shit going on in an airplane that the brain short circuits and doesnt think about the fact that you are in a disturbingly thin walled, air sealed aluminium can hurtling through the sky at 800+kph with a hundred other people, most of whom dont have the common sense the gods gave a common rock, and are riddled with disease that you are no doubt being exposed to due to being crammed in like sardines.
The leg room is better but scooting into the window seat will be slightly harder. Hard telling if you can put your feet down in this set up though.
The leg room is different, but it isn't better. There's about the same amount of usable space. I'd prefer the classic chair setup I think.
at that point just give me general anaesthesia and put me in an airline shipping coffin so at least i don't have to be conscious for the horror show
Someone somewhere just pulled out some graph paper and is sketching a concept.
12 hour flight. The fail-safes fail. Something goes wrong with the anesthesia and you're awake for the entire thing
I woke up in the middle of my wisdom teeth surgery so I of all people oughtta know better lol
Still better hab Ryanair!
I fly often for work, stay up the whole night before and cannabis. Flying is easy now.
That doesn't actually look to bad considering what we have today
Right at fart smelling level
In a sealed pressurised container I'd assume fart smelling was mandatory.
She's smiling, so you know it's all okay
don't think of the farts don't think of the farts don't think of the farts don't think of the farts don't think of the farts
Why does she look so happy?
Paid model or executive. They're trying to sell the concept.
Yeah, I would assume so. It was kind of a rhetorical question - this looks very much staged.
she has a secret fetish for strangers powering farts directly into her face while being confined so tightly as to feel buried alive.
She's able to stretch her legs? Sure, she is most likely not particularly tall, but the only saving grace I can see for a setup like this would be more space to stretch your legs out.
Ah, who am I kidding, they would still bunch it impossibly close..
Better be because her ticket from Seoul to San Francisco was just $35
She eats ass.
These people smile like they've never rode in an airplane with more than 3 people
"why do people prefer trains??"
Honestly I wish that was the case in the US.
For most people, trains are not a alternative.
Often trains cost more. Many train stations are messes and share space with busses.
I desperately want to take a train anywhere. BUT
A) It always costs at least as much as a plane but often much much more
B) it's slower than driving!
C) the stops are so limited you basically have to follow major coastal cities or you're SOL
Literally if any of these three things were changed I would take weekend trips all the time
The one time I took a train for a mid range distance, it cost like $250. That being said, I didn't have to drive through NYC traffic, deal with tolls, or deal with parking and had a lot of room to myself.
But it was also slow and $250 from Philly to NYC? Buhhhhh probably wouldn't again lol
Because they are in better part of the world(EU)
*cries in Canadian
No, wait. This is actually not a bad idea.
Look closely. First of all there's a rigid barrier between the lower and upper seat. That means that fart gasses won't get through, unlike current seats where farts just spread everywhere around a person, so only the upper seats will be affected.
Second, the lady has her feet up, meaning she has enough leg room to do so. This is a big advantage because you can kick your feet up on your underseat baggage while you sleep or stretch your legs. It's much better than the current layout where you can barely move at all.
No offense, but I think anyone with a negative opinion of this layout is wrong.
The lady isn't choosing to "have her feet up," she is essentially sitting on the floor and forced into the L shape by the rigid structure around her. There's still incredibly little range of motion just like a regular seat, except now with the added danger of a much more difficult emergency evacuation, especially for people with limited mobility.
And for people with blood clots! Locking your knees prevents blood flow and can get those clots forming faster.
Since locking your knees while standing makes you pass out, I wonder if locking your knees while seated also makes you pass out.
I don't think so. But it's hard to tell from this perspective.
She actually is not.
Also, I'm imagining that there isn't a wall right in front of her face, as this angle suggests. But rather, there is a bit of a cavity tucked up under the top seat. Oh, yeah... found an image. It does still look a little claustrophobic in there.
Yea that dude looks thin and average height and uncomfortable. I'm 230 6ft with some muscle. I'm gonna feel like a sardine.
Oh cool! It's actually not so bad. I wouldn't mind.
Hitting that board in a crash is probably going to be worse than hitting the back of a single chair.
Claustrophobia. It's an absolutely fucking not from me, dawg
My biggest problem with the space is that if I had to sit with my legs out like that, I'd eventually cramp up and inevitably bang my knees on the chair above.
I suspect the angle might make the space look smaller too, it's possible that the wall actually extends a bit out without being solid inside
An issue with this is getting up mid flight
How so? You just push the seat back and get out, it'll be about as much of an issue as a normal (very cramped) seat.
She's also fully reclined her seat. So maybe if her seat was upright it would be easier for people to get in and out.
This is marketing meaning if this ever actually came to market (and it won't) they would immediately begin adjusting it to reclaim even more room causing cramping with each new redesign. People are very easily conditioned so years after this became a thing and multiple redesigns later people would only just be beginning to realize it has already happened and even then nothing would change because the general public won't do anything while a select few will complain and make no impact.
Lalala, don't mind me, I'll just leave this here...
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/feb/28/ryanair-standing-only-plane-tickets-regulator
People see these stupid concepts and forget that air travel is pretty strictly regulated.
There's really not much room to squeeze more seats in and also appease regulators.
Which doesn't mean it won't get worse, they'll capture the regulating agencies and then it'll get worse.
There is also NO REGULATION that demands airlines actually provide a chair. If they can find something that passes the rules that do exist, that fits more people because it isn't a chair, and that they think people will suffer through, they will do it.
Seems happy to be probably smelling some bodies vacation diet farts for an entire international flight. Imagine the farts you'll be subjected to sitting under somebody who spent a week in Indonesia or Thailand absorbing the spicy local cuisine.
As someone from Indonesia: Have some stinky beans! And also durian!
oh dear God, I can't imagine. no way you aren't getting off that flight in need of some trauma therapy, and probably reconstructive nose surgery.
I am fairly certain it is illegal to bring durian on a flight leaving that part of the world. Last hotel I stayed at in Chaing Mai they had a 5000 bhat fine for durian in the room.
There are laws regulating how to transport pigs and cows to the slaughterhouse. They have more space than the passengers on this plane.
Can they guarantee it won't collapse and break my legs?
I would hope that the people designing airplanes can accommodate the weight of a person
You mean the accountants? They get final say on everything these days
It depends on who's sitting in the upper seats.
As a taller person, if this gives me sufficient legroom and a seat that actually distributes the weight over my whole thighs such that I can sit somewhat comfortable, this seems like a major upgrade to me.
In the case of any serious accident or emergency you're very likely to lose both your legs.
They shouldn't be too hard to find though
It's a flying soda can; in the event of a serious accident you're likely to lose your head.
You're even more likely to die.
Totally agree. Having recently done 13 hours in economy, the fact my knees are constantly wedged against something and I can't straighten out is the biggest discomfort. I don't speak Italian so I don't need acres of room to swing my arms around, lift the person in front up and give me leg room instead!
Transatlantic human cattle
The sadness really hits when you see this was last year, and not 1991 where the concept should have stayed.
We're getting dangerously close to how they packed the slaves in the cargo holds of ships for transport across the ocean.
Um... no? A voluntary half-day voyage in comfortable seats is not even nearly comparable to the inhuman horrors experienced on slave ships. There is absolutely nothing dangerous about this.
Um… no? A voluntary half-day voyage in comfortable seats is not even nearly comparable to the inhuman horrors experienced on slave ships.
Way to overthink it, damn. That was meant as a comedic anecdote, not as a literal comparison.
Im a huge fan of the 5th element strat. Slide me into a pod and render me unconcious with gas. It solves so many problems - entertaing self in flight, listening to the bodily functions of strangers, crying babies. Airlines would save millions on meals not served and stewards not serving them. It even solves security concerns, terrorists cant hijack a plane when they are unconcious and locked in a pod.
And if the worst happens, and the plane has a case of engine-rich-exhaust and is hurtling down into the freezing southern ocean, I really dont wanna know about it. Just let Posiden take me in my sleep.
Frankly, I'm more surprised to see that the same people who have trouble spelling "rogue" and "tongue" also can't spell "lounge"... or use auto spellcheck
On the chaise longue, On the chaise longue, On the chaise longue, all day long.
I heard this song for the first time yesterday, that's so weird.
Ah good. The hivemind is functioning as intended.
Yall need to stop posting these, they are never going to happen. Neither these, nor the partially standing ones.
The fact that these concepts are even made to begin with is the concerning part. Someone out there is on board.
Never say never!
I imagine that would make emergency deplaning take a lot longer to the point lives could be lost if there were a fire.
Chaise longue, french for claustrophobia
This is really, REALLY stupid
We need to go back to pre-9/11 plane organization.
This is just wrong.
Also the fact that planes these days are slower and travel times longer than 30 or 40 years ago. This makes the above seating arrangement even worse for long distance flights.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/6247384/flights-longer-now-plane-slower/
The planes are more fuel efficient at certain speeds slower than their max speed. It's not just cost savings for the airlines, but savings for the earth.
Id prefer to lay down.
If I could fly in a coffin in the baggage section I’d be so much more comfortable.
Those three passengers are sure to have some great bonding time down there in that claustrophobic space 🤦♂️
Please, seat companies, stop giving the airlines ideas!
You don't want to blindly stick your feet into that dark underseat compartment.
Passengers and their god damn legs always being in the way.
"If you didn't want the mandatory double amputation you should've upgraded to comfort plus."
How big is this cabin? I can't stand up in current seats now, where in the world are these going to fit? Where do carry-ons go?
pretty sure that's just called steerage
steerage, stowage, storage I swear you're just trying to mess with us at this point
Based on the angle, it looks like the person on the bottom could end up having some repeatedly farting in their face…
Extra discount fare if you eat ass.
I'm 6'6". My ass would be halfway up the seat.
Honestly, you hook me up with an HMD, mouse, and keyboard and i would be down for it.
The whole notion defeats the point. The extra passengers / profit will be negated by the larger fuselage and drag.
The 787 and 380 would like a word. Fuckin' Dreamliner is already wider than most houses, with more headroom.
Now make them both bigger to allow for double stacking.
Diabolical!
Idk why everyone acts like this would be some sort of travesty. If higher seating capacity through innovative cabine layouts bring down cost and carbon emissions per passenger, I'm all for it. I'm not flying for the experience but to get to my destination. If you all care so much about spacious seating, just book business class.
You don't design for the flight; you design for the evacuation. We learned that the hard way decades ago. This looks like it forgot all those lessons paid for by people's lives.
Adding onto this, the cabin design in OP’s post looks like it would 100% break your legs if the plane were to ever crash. It would absolutely suck to be in a plane crash and have your legs broken.
Evacuate Deez nutz
Then just add additional emergency exits to the plane. Except for a higher total number of passengers I don't see how this layout would significantly slow down evacuation otherwise. Though I'm by no means an expert.
This looks like a good way to eliminate all my carbon emissions from flying because there’s no way I’ll get on a plane like this.
One word: Claustrophobia
Deep vein thrombosis and lack of efficient evacuation routes say hello
I'm not even particularly claustrophobic, and I am also very aware that this is unlikely to ever pass FAA inspection, and yet I still inevitably start breathing heavier every time I see this photo. It's just so terrifying.
This actually looks like in a normal position the seat would be further back and give you a normal amount of face room. Looks like it’s on its way down to a lying position.
This honestly looks like a win win situation to me