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Israeli President Isaac Herzog says ‘entire nation’ of Palestine ‘responsible’ for attacks

www.rawstory.com Israeli President Isaac Herzog says ‘entire nation’ of Palestine ‘responsible’ for attacks

Israeli President Isaac Herzog said Palestinian civilians in Gaza were "responsible" for the Saturday attack by Hamas.

"It is an entire nation out there that is responsible. It’s not true this rhetoric about civilians [being] not aware, not involved. It’s absolutely not true," Herzog said Friday. "They could have risen up, they could have fought against that evil regime which took over Gaza in a coup d’état."

"I agree there are many innocent Palestinians who don't agree with this, but if you have a missile in your goddamn kitchen and you want to shoot it at me, am I allowed to defend myself? We have to defend ourselves, we have the full right to do so," he added.

The Israeli president made the comments while calling for over 1 million people in northern Gaza to evacuate in 24 hours. The evacuation was first announced to Gaza residents via leaflets from the Israel Defense Forces.

"Civilians of Gaza City, evacuate south for your own safety and the safety of your families and distance yourself from Hamas terrorists who are using you as human shields," the leaflets read. "This evacuation is for your own safety. You will be able to return to Gaza City only when another announcement permitting it is made."

Hamas has told people in Gaza to ignore the evacuation order.

“Israel is removing Palestinians from their homes and lands for a second time, and we have responded to the Zionist crimes by targeting them and Ben Gurion,” Abu Obaida, spokesperson of Hamas' Al-Qassam Brigades, said. "Displacement and exile are not for us, Israel is carrying out psychological warfare through the threats and their dark history, which shows they carry out crimes and killings as a form of collective punishment."

The United Nations has called the evacuation "impossible," due to the large number of people asked to leave the area, according to CNN. John Kirby, the National Security Council coordinator for strategic communications, called the evacuation a "tall order."

“We understand what they're trying to do: They're trying to move civilians out of harm's way and giving them fair warning. Now it's a tall order. It's a million people and very urban, dense environment. It's already a combat zone. So I don't think anybody's underestimating the challenge here of effecting that evacuation,” Kirby told CNN.

The war between Hamas and Israel started on Saturday when Hamas soldiers attacked Israel from Gaza. Hamas killed over 1,000 people and took over 100 hostages in that attack, according to NPR. Hamas has been designated a terrorist organization by many countries including the U.S., Israel and those in the European Union. Since the beginning of the war, Israel says Hamas killed 1,300 people. The Palestinian health ministry reports 1,800 killed in Gaza.

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So he concedes that Palestine is a nation?
- Epic troll
- Yeah, it's funny but a nation need not be political:
  A nation is a large type of social organization where a collective identity has emerged from a combination of shared features across a given population, such as language, history, ethnicity, culture, territory or society. Some nations are constructed around ethnicity (see ethnic nationalism) while others are bound by political constitutions (see civic nationalism and multiculturalism).
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation

If the Palestinian nation is responsible for the attacks on Israel, then the Israeli nation must be responsible for decades of apartheid... Right?
It can't be true that civilians weren't aware of the oppression or not involved, right? They could have risen up and fought against the evil regime that's committed to apartheid, right?
- No, because we consider them good guys. Their war crimes are ok.
  
  insert family guy skin color meme
  Just another fine example of whiter people getting their way at the expense of darker ones.
- They literally voted for it and elected Bibi, and that’s after he boasted about how he was funding Hamas as a wedge tactic.
  Israelis literally voted for this.

Did anyone expect him to say anything else? After decades of Israel stealing Palestinian land, Israel finally got their opening for all out genocide of Palestinians. Coincidence? Hardly likely.
- This is why I find it very hard to believe that the Hamas attack truly caught them off guard. They have one of the best intelligence agencies in the world and they DIDN'T know it was coming? And there's reports that they were warned ahead of time? Seems fishy to me
  
  I have a pet theory that it was allowed to happen as justification for leveling Gaza.
  
  Yeah... no. You shouldn't overestimate these intelligence agencies. The Nazis never got wind of the Warsaw Uprising and the US never got wind of the Tet offensive... they are simply not that infallible.
  The whole problem with this theory is that Israel has gone to great lengths to "stabilize" the imprisonment of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank in the hopes of normalizing the situation even further - a very important requirement for Israel's attempts to normalize relations with it's neighbours. That's what their precious "Security Barrier" was all about. That "stability" is now shattered - probably forever - and so are their hopes of getting Arabic nations permanently on their side. That's why the US is suddenly shifting carrier groups into the area - this could be the beginning of the end of the current status quo, and the US knows that.

This is why they have meltdowns when you question them about civilian deaths. They don't believe in the concept.
- Which makes it ten times 'funnier' when these liberal peckerwoods in the West want to pearl-clutch when we stop considering IDF reserve and ex-IDF as civilians in response. They're all trained as part of a conscription state; so I don't see any civilians in Israel except the children. Like I've been saying-- how these mayonoids react to Palestine and its struggle directly informs how they'll respond when the Black community has proper leaders again, instead of these sellout "Black capitalist" Toms, or the abject misleaders in the Congressional Black Caucus. What we're seeing Israel do in Palestine is a direct 1:1 with what Amerika did to the Natives and the Afrikans they stole.
  These FIVE-EYES crackers fundamentally do not care about liberation. They just want revenge on those that responded logically to invader settler-colonials genociding them left and right to make room for themselves; and the threatened-into-compliance silence of those watching. Just like what the west is doing to Haiti, just like what they're doing to Cuba. They take bloody, brutal revenge on those who deny them.

You heard him, 1 million children are responsible for the attack. Fuck Israel. Israelis are the ones responsible for the attack. You reap what you sow.
- I don't agree with killing civilians but you are right. What did they think would happen when they blockade a whole city and oppress the people? They build illegal settlements that is by condemned by the international community.
  The thing that annoys me the most is that when Palestinians are killed we don't hear that much about it. And now the Israelis are killing thousands of most likely innocent people. But I will give it to the israelis I do understand their anger towards Hamas but not all the Palestinians, most of them are just civilians trying to live their lifes..
  
  What did they think would happen when they blockade a whole city and oppress the people?
  They thought they could do whatever they want and any retaliation would be a golden ticket to massacre Palestinians.
  And they are correct. Nobody is going to stand in their way. Nobody is going to offer anything more than 'condemnation.'

Israel has already murdered an estimated 500 children "defending themselves", in the past week.

It's interesting that these far-right Israelis aren't even trying to keep the mask on any more. I guess they're counting on Western nations to support them no matter how vile the things they say are, and how barbaric the actions of the IDF are.
There seems to be a shift in sentiment underway, not for the political class in the West, but amongst the people. I hope the politicians get the fucking message soon before thousands more are murdered.
- I guess they’re counting on Western nations to support them no matter how vile the things they say are
  And they're correct. The US government at least does not care about its citizens one iota. We are workhorses for the ruling class' agenda, and they have decided long ago that Israel gets to rule.
- Ukraine has taught a lot of evil decision makers exactly what will be tolerated. The future is one of zero nuanced opinion. Scary shit.

Hitler said that all the jews were evil. How ironic
- It's honestly mind blowing
  
  Damn he ain't wrong.
  
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Aren't collective punishments literally a violation of human rights
- If we go by the west's meterstick, the only time violations of human rights even get recognized, it's when enemies of the FIVE-EYES regime commit them. Allied human rights violations are pencil-whipped and rubber-stamped as 'necessary evils'.
- It is a war crime as defined by the UN.

They could have risen up, they could have fought against that evil regime
Thats what theyve been doing. Rising up against Netanyahu's evil regime.

Israel is a genocidal, white supremacist apartheid state. They have shown multiple times that they have no interest in peace and only in subjugation. The country needs to be dismantled and a single state solution enacted.

That last name with what is being said is like history repeating it self ironically.

Unpopular opinion. Wouldn’t a one state be a better solution. Like most of other developed nations that are multi cultural? After 5 or 6 generations they would all identify as one nation with different backgrounds. It definitely works in modern nations now.
- Sure. Put the Palestinians back in charge of their land and state, and the isntrealis can just be there. Let's see how they like that.
- let me put it this way: I'm forced to live in a 'one-state solution' with the descendants of my lineage's oppressors, and I fuckin hate it. I wouldn't condemn the Palestinians like that. Especially because if we assume Israel would follow the lead of its big brother in this hypothetical "One State" scenario, then the tensions between Israeli and Palestinian would never end up solved, constantly used as a political football for misleader Palestinians to eventually work their way into the government, and utterly shut down the revolutionary potential of the oppressed while lending legitimacy to the settler project.
  That's a condemnation of the Palestinian people just as surely as the all-out genocide Israel currently wages. The only difference is the scale of time.
- Would you like to live in a state where you are a second class citizen?
  
  I think part of that solution would be laws and regulations to prevent discrimination.
  It's not impossible.
- It probably would have led to the best outcome if it had been one state from the start, when Israel was established. God knows if it'd work now.
- Wouldn’t a one state be a better solution.
  Pretty much, yes. It's only an unpopular opinion amongst white supremacists and pro-colonialists.

over the top, as always... jeez this entity is on my nerve!

I'm reminded of a comment I once read on a wiki page about....My Lai I believe (a page with some relation to war crimes, or a specific war crime, in Vietnam)? There was a (general?) who was explaining why they felt fine killing civilians; he said you could be passing by some lady, step on a mine and die, and that she's guilty because she knew it was there and said nothing.
Not bad enough you invaded their country, but you expect them to bend over backwards and make invading them easier?

Rules-based world order for me but none for thee

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