They have played us for absolute fools

The right most image there is certainly not real

Time to make it a political movement then. Because the people who have any sort of power to make significant changes are politicians.

What you call transit is a bus?

Also, it's ironic that cars are supposed to be a status symbol because "public transit is for poor people" but cars are practically mandated and cities where public transit exists are expensive to live in thanks to high rents.

Actually, it's public transit that should be the sign of wealth and cars that are "for poor people" but something tells me that by some strange alchemy, that means a car is a sign that one is a salt-of-the-earth working class type now.

Interesting fact, it costs tens of thousands of dollars to get a permit to own a car in Singapore.

the slow changes is exactly why we bought into the idea.

And slow changes can bring us back.

It also can't be easily undone or changed, even in a progressive society.

Who said it had to be easy? Most things worth doing aren't.

It is more important that the goal will serve us and that it will bring us value. That we are unwilling to postpone longer before it becomes even harder.

The Netherlands chose to do this when it was easy (easier anyway). Canada and the US made the choice to postpone then.

Other nations are chosing now, should we join them now? Or should he wait until the damage is even harder to undo? How many more must we slaughter and maim in the streets? How much more must we pollute our environment? Do we chose to act, or do we wait until action is forced upon us?

Evey road in north american must be resurfaced every 10-50 years. Car don't last much longer that 20. That means without any additional resources, this can be done in about 15 years.

Cargo bike

When grocery stores are close (walkable) it becomes super convenient to just go there every few days instead of managing a stockpile of food. Works way better for small spaces and for eating fresh foods. Don't knock it til you try it!

I aim to not have to go to the store every other day

When cities are designed right, going to the store every day (let alone every other day) isn't a problem.

From my perspective it's sorta crazy. How does one even have the space for several weeks of perishable groceries, or move them effectively from the store home. It all seems like so much wasted space.

Also how does one plan buying all you potential cravings for two weeks. I sorta don't get it, emotionally I don't.

I encourage you to try living a <10min walk from a grocery store if you ever get the chance. Right now I'm at< 3min to walking to the grocery store. It's the best. Especially if it's open till midnight or god forbid 24/7.

I don't see anything extremist in this community. It's mostly complaining about problems with cars and a few memes like this post. Talking about alternatives is fine here, as per the rules. There isn't much as far as other communities to discuss alternatives, at least not that I've found. Here's what I can point to:

• !transit@kbin.social
• !urbanism@slrpnk.net
• !citylife@beehaw.org

The ironic thing is that there really is a "simple, blanket solution" in this case: changing the zoning code to stop outlawing density.

It's not a fast solution -- the law can be changed at the stroke of a pen, but the redevelopment enabled by the rule change will occur over years and years -- but it's the only one that actually solves the problem.

For some people, not driving is just death from starvation

That seems like the exact kind of thing many people are against. All of this was by design in order to create a dependence on cars. This is not how it has to be. There are a lot of alternatives that are worth investing in.

I don't believe anyone would suggest to immediate destroy all cars right this second without putting in any kind of necessarily alternative infrastructure. That would be a pretty extreme stance on the matter.

I would like to see the US government stop subsidizing cars and start subsidizing alternatives such as trains so that maybe in 30-50 years we can start to see that it is possible to live without driving a car.

People are so bad a naming causes.

This toxic ass community is the same as BLM and anti work. Both have good intentions but alienate most people with their terrible names.

At least anti work had a better named workreform equivalent. But BLM shoulda be accountability for killer cops or something. I bad at naming shit too but hopefully you get my point.

Fuck cars is about infrastructure and mostly just cities. But it's so terriblely named it will never catch on.

Ya its called major big cities, mainly on east coast since anything built out ww2 sucks.

The catch is you will need to be rather "affluent" to enjoy the good life in this here country.

I get that you are being snarky, but in Japan, they have trains that take you to the middle of nowhere. So, yes, a train can. At least, to your last mile car option.

Living in the city, I can bike to a disc golf course. ¯(ツ)_/¯

People who advocate for better public transportation usually also advocate for walkable neighborhoods. Your grandparents would not need a car to go to grocery, it'll be at a walking distance. Same for doctors.

As for emergencies, yes, a car would be nice. But you can always get a can in that situation. No need to destroy the planet every other day.

Let me ask you this, have you ever done anything outside of a car only dystopia?

In places designed before/not for cars you'd have places within walking distance like groceries. In the doctor scenario, we've had adult diapers for a long time. Your solution is you let them pee in your car?

@Miclux @cypherpunks have you ever done anything inside of a big city? have you ever commuted to work?

anything outside of a big city?!

The photos OP is sharing are depicting 10 or more lanes. That's precisely about a big city. Meanwhile the situation you describe, e.g doctor 20km away, no train/bus access, seems to be about not a big city. I believe you two are not talking about the same problem even though both are valid.

Even cities below a population of 100k have their own hospital and dozens of doctor's offices all within a ten minute walking distance from each other.

I have done most of those things, ~95% of everything I have ever done was in small rural towns/villages. I don’t have a car, refuse riding as a passenger, and no license either and don’t feel the need to get one at all. Admittedly I live in a 15k people city right now but that is just way too much so I’ll go back to something smaller as soon as I can. And I don’t live in the US so I got that going for me, which is nice.

this is a weird instance, to be sure. I thought it was satire, but there's a lot of people who seem to lack the ability to think critically about transportation in general.

your comment isn't even irrational at all. but you're being downvoted because you don't ascribe to the theory that the world should be all butterflies and rainbows and everyone can just walk everywhere or take public transport.

public transportation can be great. but it can be so bad it's basically unusable.

all stuff I read in here sounds like a bunch of kids preparing for debate team about whether cars are "good" or "evil"