If you're feeling left out it's probably because you defend billionaires who would mince you into fertilizer

I’d recommend posting a tangentially political meme at some point on Lemmy.

The amount of people who will come out of the woodwork to tell you ‘don’t post this’ and ‘don’t make things political’ will really be eye opening.

People don’t want to address systemic issues and think not talking about them is a viable solution.

Honestly if this meme passes for controversial then the world has gotten a whole lot more lame.

That isnt socialism, thats the capitalist state doing its job of protecting capital. Socialism is when the proletariat own the means of production.

You think you are arguing with the people accepting handouts on lemmy?

And with a partner who is undoubtedly attracted to you no less!

Look at you go.

Are you though?

Do you own the means of production and employ people to operate it, paying them a fraction of the value their labor produces?

Are you able to live comfortably without working for the foreseeable future? Do you exert outsized control over municipal, regional and state government far beyond your “vote” if you live in a place that claims to be a democracy? Does that control come from your power over the means of production that you control?

Supporting a society controlled by the people described above does not make you a capitalist, being one of the people described above does.

Right? There are pros and cons with every system. People disagree based on value judgements not based on misinterpretation of facts. People in their echo chambers will have you believe that everyone on the other side of the political spectrum all thinks the same way “the same people who say X also say Y!” Rarely is that the case. Most people are actually centrists who have their own independent beliefs on a wide range of topics.

If you support capitalism, then yes, you defend billionaires.

Capitalism is what allows billionaires to exist. If you are pro-capitalism, you are pro-billionaires. They are the real capitalists because the are the ones with real capital (and capital = power).

Even if you support better worker pay, trans rights, healthcare or what have you, you are just asking big money for it, not actually taking it. They are the ones deciding in the end.

You're a capitalist? How much capital do you own?

I have moobs and long hair, just keep dancing bro.

Real. There are a few women here

Yes there are. Stop being weird. (Am woman)

A large proportion of Lemmy are not pro-capitalist, yes.

Does anyone here own capital? As in being haut bourgeoisie? Probably not.

If you support capitalism and you're not a capitalist you're just a bootlicker.

Non-stop circle jerking

Has to be breaking a rule by this point

I think what you are looking for is called Shitposting. 😅

oh, no!

its politics on the marxist-leninist instance's meme community!

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Capitalists don't care about sustainability.

They would if those workers were trying to unionize.

Free Market Capitalism would bring back slavery if we let them.

You have a rather one dimensional moustache twirling view of the world. Let me guess, communism is the one stop solves all problems in the world solution without any negative side effects?

You do understand that that is not how the world works, or for that matter, how anything works?

Seriously, your comment is plain nonsense. Yes, captialism has a shitload of issues. Yes, there are rich and abusive people out there. Yes, communism is responsible for countless millions of deaths and tortured...

Instead of making up weird fantasies, how about to try to come up with an idea that would actually make things better?

Let me put it this way. For capitalism to continue there's an ever-marching goal of exponential profit. To get more profit you must work harder and the company must pay you less and work you longer. At some point you will be crushed. Nothing can expect exponential returns, yet capitalism constantly expects that.

Communism wouldn't need retirement because such a society wouldn't have an exponential motive for existence. Work would be done as needed instead of constantly more and more and more. I wouldn't mind being in my 80's and still "working" because all the work I'd do would have a direct positive result on my community instead of more money for someone pocketing the excess value of my labor over what they paid me.

Besides, who would need to push papers around for companies in an economic system that is moneyless and stateless? (communism is literally moneyless and stateless so USSR, China, Valenzuela, etc. are not communist since they have a state)

I can only answer as capitalist. FIRE relies on accumulated interest. For workers it should be the same if 10 billionaires or 100,000 FIRE investors own their companies.

UBI should be fairer.

Both scenarios are the same. Work 20 years hard and then stop working.

The FIRE owner have an interest in low wages for the workers whereas in UBI, more income for workers could mean more to be shared.

What? There are plenty of communist Lemmy subs you can ask in. I just think you haven't tried hard enough.

To answer your question tho, no - because there would be no need. Communism does want mandatory participation, but if checked and balanced correctly everyone would work within their limits and not be relegated to a lower class of living - because that's sort of the point of communism. You'd work within your means until there was time to retire without being limited in access to services and goods. Theoretically, under a functioning communist system, there would be no manufactured scarcity.

Tbh I believe both communism and our current form of capitalism centralises power and ownership way too much. Social-capitalism, or even libertarian socialism, might be the ticket. It would undo at least 200 years of psy-ops and gamed laws designed to favour the rich and vesting power in them, which is the issue of centralised power that we're facing today - in what some call "late-stage capitalism" - or what I call the breaking point of society under a predatory, exploitative and imperialistic form of capitalism that seems more like the privatisation of the aristocracy than the supposed liberalisation of economy. Transparency, accountability and consequences for people in power and wealth is what's sorely needed.

PS: New public management is a con-job disguised as decentralisation meant to encumber governments under the guise of checking and balancing them, being effectively a psy-op in of itself to make people hate public services and taxes. As per usual, goddamn liberals - and I include socially conservative liberals in that polifical grouping. Dems and pubs are the same, want the same institutions and promote US imperialism - not fiscal independence, no matter what justification and mental gymnastics they put in the form of spreadsheets.

PPS: Also, additionally, commodification of the housing market was a mistake. It will always be stupid and harmful towards society.

The capitalists are on a yatch somewhere not even aware of the squabbling poors. Dunno about music and dancing, but I just see you here defending them.

That's ok, they bought their own! 😄

A socialist revolution is a bad idea; wealth redistribution can be implemented in capitalism.

That's what capitalists want you to think.

All the generally established capitalist wiggleroom like minimum wages, paid holiday, affordable health care, education instead of manual labour for children etc were established by massive strikes and (threats of) violent masses.

wealth redistribution can be implemented in capitalism.

we have been trying everywhere for decades, and inequality is only getting worse. it really can't.

voting is doing almost nothing if you really examine the policies put by most politicians, even most of the ones claiming to be progressive.

thats because we can only go so far within capitalism, and changing the players of the game will not do much while the game itself has glaring flaws.

Capitalism can never work, because it's self defeating. The point of capitalism is to maximize immediate profits, nothing else - as a result, it will gladly destroy its own means of growth if as a result instant profits increase.

You are in this meme.

Someone creating a specific community doesn't add rules to existing general communities. You should start an apolitical memes community!

The operating word is “would”. If it served their needs, they would. Not that they’re going to right now, obviously.

People think capitalists care about nothing except their net value but that's an unfair stereotype.

What's the use of having all the money if you can't make other people suffer? How else will the poors know you're better than them?

They'll mince you once you're too old, broken, or inconvenient.

This way, they have a product to sell. The next tool to come along is hired as the salesman (no salary, 100% commission).

Because if you were spreading dangerous ideas like Unions and livable pay, they would stand to lose a lot more than whatever profit you were generating.

They're the same picture.

To expand...one of the biggest goals of a capitalist is increasing profit. What better way to do this than to take over and manipulate the government of whatever state you're operating in to cut you special breaks? It's the pinnacle of capitalist achievement.

You create laws to regulate it...the capitalists will manipulate them and control your government anyways.

You loosen regulations to "promote competition" or whatever excuse they use, and then there's nothing stopping them from fucking you even harder. Capitalism and the state are always intertwined, one feeds off the other. Even the Soviet Union was sometimes said to be "state capitalist", where basically the entire country was under control of one "corporation".

Tell us you love the taste of boot on your tongue without telling us you love the taste of boot on your tongue..