Valve Says Counter-Strike 2 for macOS Not Happening Because There Aren't Enough Players on Mac to Justify It

It does, but Valve doesn't spend money in taking any responsibility over it. Also I presume anticheat might not work properly.

In any scenario, the translation layer has a performance impact which for any competitive player is something that makes Apple a no-go.

They ship an outdated and unreliable implementation 😅 There are things that use it, but my understanding is you couldn't use it in the same way you can on other platforms.

OpenGL is a fossil at this point.

CS 2 isn't on open gl

This is absolutely not true, certainly not at the time of Bungie and how Microsoft made Halo Xbox-exclusive: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/10/jobs-turned-down-bungie-at-first-how-microsoft-burned-apple/

It's because they're addicted to their walled gardens. Everything within Apple's ecosystem must be tightly overseen and controlled, with little exception.

Yeah, they keep trying to bring their walled-garden approach to gaming and it just won't work. It's like trying to build another console in the current gaming market and unrealistically expecting it to take off.

It's also why I think the Vision Pro, despite how cool and innovative the tech might be, is also DOA.

That’s true for windows as well

Whoopie got mad and called out Blizzard for not releasing Diablo 4 on Mac. I think it was on tiktok.

"This is what I’m asking you, Blizzard Entertainment,” Goldberg said, “This is Whoopi. You know how much I love Diablo. I would like y’all to let those of us who use our [Macs] to play. Allow us to play on the Apple. Take Diablo IV and let us do it and have a great time.”

https://kotaku.com/diablo-4-iv-for-mac-whoopi-goldberg-upset-blizzard-port-1850519443

Yeah they haven't confirmed whether these features are making it back I believe, but they really ought to and I expect they will too. Smokes Im fine with. Mostly just annoying since the game feels almost identical to GO. A lot of smokes still work too so it's kinda trial and error to find which ones work now and dont.

I also find it annoying I can no longer see how much I damaged an enemy via console, but that's fair enough too.

Generally yeah but it still matters. I have a 5800X fwiw

I get dips below 100 at 1440p 🙃 time to install linux again

It seems odd not to have TDM from the outset. I somehow doubt turning off team damage or shortening the match length requires a huge dev lift. Maybe some surrounding infrastructure but still. On the FPS, I'll have to check! It feels like a lot lower than 200. I only have 144hz anyway so it must be worse than that

Really just repackaged Proton, with some ridiculous install requirements including fucking Homebrew.

It's not even Alpha level software right now. But, just to argue their side: it is meant as a preview for game developers to package their games with right now, and not the general public.

Still... Fucking Homebrew.

just install windows-version of steam, and a windows-version of CS:2, same way wine on linux works for blizzard launcher

Does Asahi have full support for the GPU yet? Would Proton work on a non-x86-x64 architecture? Last time I tried it (around 6 months back, been a minute) it worked great for anything that didn't need acceleration but I didn't think it could handle much more.

CS skins are practically pay to lose thinking about it. They make you stand out against the map more.

I'm not even talking about loot boxes

They are just ipads soon.

They're also the standard in some industries, inc. design and video production. At least where I'm at. Hate the OS with a passion but not having a mixed OS workplace sucks.

Maybe. But who needs it? I say nobody. The poor Photoshop and illu guys are already getting replaced. There is no need for osx so there is no need for desktop Macs and macbooks will run IOS and be nothing but a superpowerd ipad. Innovation with Apple is zero - they the money to do a new chip but nobody devs anymore for the iwatch since the idea how Apple wants to make business is pretty dated.

Meta app on iwatch ...lol. 90s are calling and they want Apple back in the grave i hear. Or maybe Bill Gates can help them AGAIN?

They still have some pretty old version of OpenGL and Metal was a bit before Vulkan, so it’s sort of a lightning vs USB C situation.

I don’t believe that it was easy. Since it started macOS was based on BSD, not Linux, which is quite different. They also use different types of binaries and the similarities between kernels should end beyond the BSD compatibility layer. See https://wiki.freebsd.org/Myths#FreeBSDisJustmacOSWithouttheGoodBits

Games have never been “trivial” to port to Mac, why do you think there are so few games that have been ported? Unless you write it for macOS, it’s just not easy or even worth it to port, has been since the Apple II days.

No, it's native Linux with native Vulkan as well.

The Linux version of cs:go had native logic and wrapped rendering via valve's ToGL from before proton. CS2 is fully native though.

This is far from a black and white answer. A lot of the first gen steam machine 'ports', including those from Valve, Aspyr, Feral and Virtual Programming used source code level wrapper libraries to convert D3D calls to OpenGL. This added a little bit of extra overhead to the port so a lot of these early ports suffered a little slower performance (in my opinion an average of about 15% slower). These ports were compiled from source code so they were still native ports, if a little half-assed for time and manpower's sake. As time went on Valve and VP's wrappers improved to the point that you could get 1:1 performance or sometimes much better performance running the port under linux (for example VP's wrapper would multi-thread the renderer even if the original D3D renderer was singled-threaded). Feral went on to re-code a handful of their later ports from D3D to Vulkan, again, achieving better performance under linux. A few game engines were written with linux in mind from the start, such as The Talos Principle/Serious Sam 3, and those titles, in my opinion, would be best to use to compare the relative performance of the two OS's at that time.

Nowadays you still have a fair amount of indie titles coming out with native linux support. Not many larger titles in recent years, but you do still get some such as Psychonauts 2 and stuff from Paradox. Proton has gotten so good now that many games will run better on linux from day 1 than on Windows-steal-yo-data-11.