Israel-Palestine escalation live: Strikes hit Gaza after Hamas offensive

Feel free to report antisemitic comments, but antizionism isn't antisemitism and acting like it is is antisemitic and will net you a ban starting once this comment is posted.
Reporting borderline stuff will not get you banned but as someone who had family at auschwitz I'm tired of blatant antisemitism in defense of a settler colonialist apartheid regime.
Hall of shame:
@ElMemerino@lemmy.world
- Mmm, there's nuance there. It can be exploited to push antisemitism, but it isn't inherently antisemitic.
- Also any expression of support for the Israel led genocide of Palestinians or any sort bigotry will not be tolerated as per Rule 3.
- There's a difference between antizionism and antisemitism. Just as there's a difference between Israel and Jews.
  Blame Israel, it's anti Israel. Blame the Jews, it's antisemitism.
- Thank you.
- Antisemitism explicitly refers to hatred of Jews, it's a weird linguistics thing but its why when referring to antisemitism there isnt a dash (anti-semitism) as that would specifically refer to all semites as a whole (which palestinians are). It has roots to the specific phrase that was used in German to refer to hatred of Jews.

Down with the settler government
- We need international peacekeeping in the region to enforce a new set of accords
  
  The international community has shown to be Pro-Israeli and thus anti-Palestinian. The Palestinian Plan for Partition was a plan to peacefully split up British Palestine into a separate Jewish and Arab state, as well as Jerusalem becoming a free city. The plan gave 62% of the land to the Jewish community despite the Arabic population having twice the population. Obviously the Arab population rejected this plan on the basis that it violated the right to natuonal self-determination, and thus this perpetual conflict was born.
  Especially with the US being so obviously Pro-Israel and having virtually all power on the decision-making of the West, why would you think the Arab population would ever get fair treatment under an international "peacekeeping" mission?
- @bdonvr @zephyreks Yes please, but not like this!
- Very disappointed in the Lemmy community for down voting this.
- When you limit yourself to specific incidents, it’s easy to judge right and wrong. Over the course of years, though, neither side can claim the moral high ground.
  Overall, this is one of the most pointless, wasteful, and inhumane conflicts in human history.
  
  Killing - no matter the victim is inhuman.
  Believing one side has the right to kill while the other must take it, is pretty gross.
  "Slaughtering civilians in the streets" is precisely what the IDF does on the regular, just so you know. It's hard to imagine any group of people would live under military occupation for 70+ years after being forced to leave their homes for refugee camps without the desire to fight for their freedom.
  
  Isn't that what the IDF does?
  
  The IDF was just rounding up innocent civilians this week, you gotta look at a bigger picture than just this morning.
  
  Imagine being brutalised for so long you resort to this
  
  Agreed. Which is why the IDF also needs to be eliminated.
  Both sides are and have been commiting atroscious acts against civilians and neither side can be excused for their inhuman actions.
- Fuck off with this nonsense. Fucking let people live and come to some terms/ reality.
  
  let people live and come to some terms/ reality.
  So I take you support a ceasefire and negotiations to end the Russia - Ukraine war?
  
  Agreed, we need for the Europeans and occupiers to go home.
  
  u mad, settler?
  
  tell that to the fascist government exterminating palestinians on their own land
  
  That's what op was advocating for. Or did you forget that Israel is an apartheid state?
  
  and come to some terms/ reality.
  Imagine telling this to someone when France was under occupation by Germany
  
  What a moving, salient political take. Good thing "Just stop it and leave us alone😡🤬" is a belief that always survives against armed militant resistance
  
  With the establishment of a relationship of oppression, violence has already begun. Never in history has violence been initiated by the oppressed. How could they be the initiators, if they themselves are the result of violence? How could they be the sponsors of something objective whose objective inauguration called forth their existence as oppressed? There would be no oppressed had there been no prior of violence to establish their subjugation.
  And it is clear that in the colonial countries the peasants alone are revolutionary, for they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. The starving peasant, outside the class system is the first among the exploited to discover that only violence pays. For him there is no compromise, no possible coming to terms; colonization and decolonization a simply a question of relative strength.
  Get this into your head: if violence were only a thing of the future, if exploitation and oppression never existed on earth, perhaps displays of nonviolence might relieve the conflict. But if the entire regime, even your nonviolent thoughts, is governed by a thousand-year old oppression, your passiveness serves no other purpose but to put you on the side of the oppressors.
  
  The illegal settlements that are condemmed by the UN? Yeah sound about right to let murderous religious fundamentalist occupiers just occupy. You say the same to the Ukrainian people fighting the Russian invasion? They should just come to terms with Crimea being occupied?

"We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians ... Choose peace rather than confrontation. Except in cases where we cannot get, where we cannot proceed, or we cannot move forward. Then if the only alternative is violence, we will use violence."
Nelson Mandela
I guess the time has come where Palestinians cannot move forward, and have to use violence.
- "World opinion"
  I think you mean 'the opinion of the US and it's allies.' The world is much bigger than that, and opinions about Israel in the rest of the world are not great.
  
  Israel has labeled BDS, the actual peaceful option, terrorism.
- "It is of no use for Israel to talk of peace, if they still hold onto the Arab territories of which they conquered."
  Want to guess who said this one?
  The Palestinians have been pushed to breaking point by decades of apartheid. Obviously terrorist acts and killing civilans by any side is unjustifiable, but general Palestinian resistance against Israeli military targets and soldiers is self defence at this point. And let's be very clear, you can't steal Palestinian people's homes, kick Palestinians out of their land, and joyfully watch Palestinians being bombed in an open air concentration camp , which Israeli settlers have been doing to Palestinians, and not expect a response in turn. You reap what you sow.
  
  Palestinians: got their land stolen by Israel
  Israel: Surprised stealing people's land makes them want to shoot you
  SurprisedPikachu.png
  
  The Palestinians are a sovereign people being genocided by an occupying armed force. What are they supposed to do? Just wait there patiently to be exterminated one by one?
  This could easily be stopped by Israel just getting the fuck out of Palestinian land.
  
  Yeah totally, words are a war crime. Get a grip you're hysterical.
  
  Remember when Israel just mowed down peaceful protestors after Trump moved the American embassy to Jerusalem? That embassy hasn't been moved back under a Democratic president, either.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests
  This is but one example, under a climate of constant incursion into Gaza and stealing ever more land. That's what Israeli settlements are, after all. They claim land from Palestinians, force them out of their homes, then move in Israeli families.
  Anything Hamas does is self-defense.

i want to wake up to a world without Israel

Been seeing claims on social media (so of course be skeptical) of at least one destroyed Merkava tank, POWs taken from that tank, a Zionist Entity military barracks overwhelmed with loss of all occupiers inside, and Palestinian fighters in control of at least one illegal settlement.
May Palestine finally be free, from the river to the sea.
- The unit the barracks allegedly belonged to. If true it means some of those responsible for the killing of Ibrahim al-Nabulsi have been brought to justice.
- something tells me retaliation for this wont be pretty for them
  
  It won't be, but nothing about being forced in an open air concentration camp is pretty
  
  The only path to victory is protracted guerilla war. Their best case scenario is fighting for a decade.
- There are videos of a Merkava destroyed by a drone-launched PG-7, photos of a second destroyed Merkava, and videos of MANPADS shooting down Israeli helicopters.
  
  I saw the footage of a drone dropping an explosive on a Merkava. Video cut out before the smoke cleared so who knows if the tank was knocked out? I know at least one Merkava was burned and IDF prisoners taken from it, so entirely possible.
  The only video of Israeli helicopters I've seen are video game fakes a la Ukrainian cope from 2022.
- Israel existing involves the indiscriminate massacre of Palestinians. You only care when they fight back. Eat shit
  
  And it's still happening, fully out of your reach. Cry like the removed you are
  
  Yet you guys freak out when this argument is used on Ukraine. Both are bullshit arguments btw.

Free Palestine!

"After Hamas Offensive" fucking Zionist rag, even after Israel literally blew up their fucking offices in Palestine
- Al Jazeera is run by a bunch Brits that have full editorial control unless it conflicts with Qatar's foreign interests. It's a giant dogsh*t media outlet pretending to be progressive. It's like The Guardian of the middle east, not worth wiping your butt with.

100% completely uncritical support to the liberatory resistance fighters of Palestine in their pursuit of decolonisation of their lands and right to self defence against Israel's aggression, occupation and destructive regime.
- Israel started the brutality, Palestine has to do whatever it takes. The Israeli government is to blame for Israeli deaths

Associated Press: Hamas militant group has started a war that ‘Israel will win,’ defense minister says
New York Times: Gaza and Israel on War Footing After Militants Launch Surprise Assaults
Arab News: Hamas launches surprise attack as gunmen enter Israel
Israel Hayom: Hamas claims dozens of Israelis captured in surprise offensive; 4 Israelis killed by rocket fire
RT: Hamas launches major attack on Israel
SCMP: Rocket barrages from Gaza strike Israel amid Hamas infiltrations
Xinhua: Barrages of rockets fired from Gaza into Israeli cities
The Guardian: Israel declares state of war after Hamas fires thousands of rockets and ‘militants cross border’
BBC: Palestinian gunmen infiltrate Israel after rocket barrage from Gaza

And of course, the genocide-denier redditors have immediately spun up a community to make fun of genocide
considering this is what lemm.ee is allowing, i can only imagine what the more reddit-infested lemmy.world looks like
- I've created a community for them here on hexbear as well
- This is why we require mod approval for new comms.
- It looks like a tiny sub with three people at the most commenting, and that's just me being generous and not assuming they're all alts.
- I used to give lemmy world shit for being full of reddit users but I find their users aren't anywhere nearly as consistently badly behaved as the other reddit alts like lemmee and feddit.
- 13 hours later, it seems it's gone. At least I cannot access it.
- Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !laughingatpalestine@lemm.ee

- The lack of serious responses shows how ignorant people here are to this issue (even though many speak about it confidently).
  The way I see it, Hamas is trying to elicit a disproportionate response from Israel in order to jeopardize recent normalization efforts.
- It's like a prison riot. You have to fight back knowing that you will be crushed again, but if you don't Israel will just continue the slow slaughter of Palestinians.
  If you can try to get some breathing room and make it painful to the other side you can hope Israel will someday stop.
  
  Has there every been a prison that had to shut down and release all the prisoners due to continious riots? It just doesn't seem like a strategy that can actually work.
- Nah, that's Israel, they're the apartheid state, remember?
  
  drown in your own piss, fascist
  
  Least Fascist Zionist
  
  look out, here comes my piss jar from the 20th floor

I'm looking up combat footage in Telegram, and it ain't looking pretty for the Zionists. You can tell the Palestinians caught them completely off guard with all the dead IDF solders lying in the pool of their blood without combat gear or even pants. Paper tigers always act tough until the colonized fight back, then they're cowering in garbage bins or taking the first flight back to the US and Europe.
The million dollar question is whether the US will write off Ukraine as a loss in order to bolster its most prized proxy state or whether the US will continue to stretch itself thin by fighting multiple fronts.
- Man, what a dumb comment.
  They are unarmed and fear being shot, how the fuck is that cowering? It's just a bunch of teens trying to survive.
- Which telegrams?
- Or the people upload only things where they look like they are winning?

Twitter thread with lots of on the ground footage
Livemap thread
another account with interesting footage
Telegram account with coverage

- Can I introduce you to all of human history?
  
  Yeah but the rest of human history didn't involve the threat of nuclear annihilation always looming on the horizon.
- Mass genocide happening: I sleep
  They fight back one time: OMG IM SO SCARED FOR THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY
  
  I am a realist. What do you think is going to happen to Palestine in the near future if both or any one of them escalates?
  The top comment in this thread is
  i want to wake up to a world without Israel
  This goading and dangerous rhetoric is spewed by the uniparty in reverse, i.e against Palestine right now.
  Here is a measured response btw
  https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1710632920950489167
- Russia opened that can of worms.
  
  The invasion of Palestine started a very, very long time before the war in Ukraine. Also those two things are completely unrelated.
  
  Nah, Russia is just another symptom of the broad-based rise in instability. Russia is making the most of it - and they are not alone. A few regimes are getting their shit sorted so that they can hunker down for the next few decades. Or not. Chaos is a ladder, after all.

Please please run them out in the ocean.

Israeli air raids have hit the Gaza Strip after Hamas announced the start of Operation Al-Aqsa Flood against Israel.
The group running the besieged enclave says it has fired thousands of rockets towards Israel. Several casualties have been reported.

It’s almost like people don’t like it when a bunch of outsiders move into their land & kick them off.

Those 8 fascists who downvoted every single comment in support of Palestine, show yourselves.
- I guess two of them either got themselves banned already or had me blocked.

From the river to the sea!

I remember being in school back in like 97,98 the teacher would turn on the news in first period. All I remember was everyday that school year there was coverage of Israel and Gaza blowing each other up.

So, I just noticed my comment got removed because some mod interpreted it as me saying the Palestine Genocide is complicated. Where did I once state it is complicated?? I just wanted to analyze it through to the best of my knowledge and even remained open to criticism.
This is blatant silencing in my opinion, to the mod who deleted it, I publicly ask you to message me, to tell me your full reasoning behind this so we can civilly discuss it in private. Also, to remind, I clearly don't support any sort of genocides, they are disgusting and horrendous.
Outside of that, have a nice day/night.
- Your comment got removed because saying there's nuance in resisting a genocide is a nazi talking point.
- lol, lmao even. There should be a rule that people have to link their comments if they want to whinge and be disingenuous about moderation.
  The comment in question ::: spoiler CW: genocide apologia I feel like commenting on the situation is important, due to I think the vast majority of commenters are too ideologically fanatical against both or one side(Either you support Palestine or support Israel) that is so polarized. This was happened before in other ways, believe me. Look at the 20th century history of general region alone(I am referring to the Eastern Mediterranean), notice a pattern? I do. So, before hand I am giving this disclaimer, to some of you that will sound "Islamophobic" and anti-muslim and that kind of stuff and might be considered "hate speech". I am basing it upon current events and past events that are im part of my historical knowledge, so correct me to any inaccuracies, but please provide sources to these so I can study these better. (Do note this doesn't focus directly on Islam, but I am putting disclaimers anyways)* *Corrections, it is in general sensitive topics, relating to genocides, war and the like. If you are sensitive towards any of these topics, please click off for your own good, otherwise proceed. And I will make it clear I don't support either sides, I just want a two state solution in a way, ideally a federation will do the best job I believe. Any further corrections/changes will be noted there. -- ::: spoiler spoiler ___ So, the entire shitfuckery roots on the basis of religious and ethics conflicts at its core manipulated by third parties. I will be referring to the current ongoing 21th once again started genocide of the Armenians by the Azerbaijani Government and Military, the basis of is of ethnic, but as stated as above..rooted in religion and possibly other reasons, including propaganda. You have to look further back in the 20th century alone to see, where, alone whole entire native populations were kicked out of native lands because of religion and the fucking interest of the Big Powers(At the time Britain, France and some other I can't remember), that was amidst WWI and shortly afterwards. I am referring to the Armenian Genocide, but...it was not only them affected. Many of these people were the Christian populations of Minor Asia, that included the Armenians. Religion was everything in terms of division, but peace was there, it was fragile in truth. And so the Big Powers, manipulated them the same ways the Nazis demonized the Jews, this lead to infighting between the populations, and it lead to some very horrible things in there..the same went to the opposite side. To note it was during sunset years of the Ottoman Empire. And I will be focusing on the religious aspect for a bit. There were shitty people from groups, and the like. In general, the rich are to blame in terms. But also Religion, why though? Religion is the root causation of countless infighting for centuries on end between ethnic groups, the same applies to the Palestinians and Israelis whether you want it or not, the religious animosity of Jews and Muslims can't be ignored, and so once again the Great Powers came into the equation, in one side we got the USA, being the modern day imperialists they are, manipulate the situation at hand making Israel as a country in a way their "pet" to put it lightly and use this country as a scapegoat for furthering their own agendas. At the hand, we got Palestine, who would have you guessed it, has some pretty notable jihadists popular as leaders, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if the Hamas "went to bed" with some other Great Power to get funding and manipulate the agony of the Palestinians towards the Israeli civilians and alike. They are not any better than any other islamic terrorist organization in regards of humans rights mind you, they want an islamic emirate where people like us(LGBTQ+, any other religious group, women and the like) are oppressed and treated worse than their fucking pets. And cleanse ethnically any other groups that what they consider "true" Palestinian. To my fellow Left Wingers, do you know easy is it to be labelled as that? As an undesirable? Since when these type of people(far-right) our friends? Never. You can easily be next in their list. Israel is not innocent also. There is no true justification in blatant of derooting people of their homes, I can understand the military due past history of hostile neighbors(Let's not look any further a bit up north), but for many things, not really. But, I have not lived there in both Israel and Palestine to fully know. So, what I am trying to achieve by saying all of this? We need to look up at the true perpetrators at hand and work together to stop, including the local ones. In the end for peace in the region to the be finally achieved is we need to go past our luring nightmares of the past and march forward all together at hand and do what these fuckers don't want us to do: Working together. No one is innocent truly. No one. I am saying as someone who's from this general region and the same happens at here with the neighbors across the same sea we share, many of the youth doesn't want infighting and we need realize how truly not so different we are as people. Let's hope in the future this all become something we laugh about in late night drinking, where we all drunkenly tease each other with no malice behind it and are all friends, with the nightmare long since over, now belonging to the history books for the future generations to look back upon and remind themselves why it is better for us to be allies than enemies. ::: I hope this gets my point across, and no TL;DR. And if there any issues regarding rule breaking, please tell me down in the replies. :::

“This is the day of the greatest battle to end the last occupation on earth,” Mohammed Deif, the Hamas military commander said, adding that 5,000 rockets were launched.
What the fuck. Last occupation?
Is that a deliberate anti-Ukraine statement or are they just completely clueless what's happening outside their borders?
- Current ongoing occupations include, but are not limited to:
  The Israeli occupation of Palestine
  The US occupation of Hawaii
  The US occupation of Guam
  The US occupation of Korea
  The US occupation of Turtle Island
  The Canadian occupation of Turtle Island
  The British occupation of Ireland
  The Japanese occupation of Okinawa
- I can not find it anywhere in the life blog. Are you sure it wasn't translated/transcribed wrongly?
  
  I also cannot find it anymore. Weird that Al Jazeera would bother removing it. You can find the quote elsewhere in that site, though, and in many other sources.
- Maybe it is a similar but different thing for Deif.
  Israel has occupied The Gaza strip for decades while Russia is invading Ukraine. Is kind of discounted by the occupation of Crimea but since that is in contest right now, maybe that's not so much an occupation anymore but a war.
- You're definitely from reddit if your being pedantic about what a military Commander is saying to rally his cause. "Actshually there are other occupations going on". Also are you really trying to make this about Ukraine??