Most of us hate Microsoft, and yet many of us use VSCode
Most of us hate Microsoft, and yet many of us use VSCode
I get that it's open source provided you use codium not code but I still find that interesting
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Because the hate is based on their shitty OS. They did a fairly good job with VSCode. Our hate isn't blind.
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VScode is the epitome of the EEE strategy. The core product is open-source, but it's filled to the brim with tracking and the official extensions have DRM. Yes, there's DRM on your python LSP.
Anyone who gives a shit should look for alternatives right away. The problem is just that there aren't any that are as easy to set up.
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Apparently in OP's case it is.
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I hate Google but they gave us Go, Kubernetes. I hate Amazon but they gave us AWS. I plainly hate those companies, but adore the brilliant engineers that work there.
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Google is also one of the most prolific contributors to Linux, and was the #3 corporate contributor in 2022. If you're avoiding everything Google had a hand in you literally can't use any GNU/Linux.
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It's almost as though the beauty of open source is that it doesn't matter who contributes, we all benefit from the result because we can all check each other's work and all use what we want
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Not to mention the Web itself. Google (and Apple and Microsoft) are major contributors to HTML as a standard.
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This is a very very good answer, and perfectly portrays my feelings, as well.
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Yet most project uses GitHub too you know...
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This one is a bigger issue. One of the projects I used to contribute to moved to Gitlab, and saw a significant decrease in organic contributors. GitHub simply has more users, better SEO, and a better ecosystem
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Personally, I'd like for everything to be on Codeberg or something but I guess that's far away.
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True but GitHub wasn't always Microsoft and at least in my experience moving between git providers is a pain
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GitHub has been recognized as harmful to the free software community at least as early as 2015, years before the Microsoft acquisition. See RMS email on GitHub.
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I only use vim.
i have been trapped for 2 years now... hope seems pointless-
you get trapped in Vim because you dont know how to exit.
i get trapped because ive sunk so much time configuring
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😂
This is so true
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Agreed to the latter point. The only reason why I might not use vim is to copy-paste some code in and out of the file, in which case I prefer plain text editors.
With that said, I'm a purist who uses vim without any external plug-ins (other than the files I wrote myself in
ftplugin). Use vim on a remote machine whilst SSHed into it from a windows machine and wanting to copy-paste stuff in and out is a major pain which is why I downloaded Vscode in the first place. This piece of cancer is not touching my linux machine.
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VSCode is the only Electron program I know of that does not feel like using McDonald's kiosk on virtual machine over remote desktop.
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Over dailup
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I'm thinking of making an Android app with electron (NC I don't know Java Kotlin whatever lmao) is performance that bad?
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Electron is for desktops OSes, so I think SE are talking about different things.
And it's not only about performance, even when that programs are running on best machines it still looks like alien and not fit.
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At least use VSCodium which is VSCode without telemetry/tracking ...
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Unfortunately it's not a drop in replacement. The biggest issue was certain extensions are not available on codium.
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No remote SSH extension which I need
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Maybe the one suggested in this thread might work for you?
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If you want to support Microsoft then at least give them your personal data too. Don't tease the poor corpo :-(
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My bigger problem is many swear on FLOSS, but using Apple is OK. Go to a FLOSS conference and there are Macs everywhere.
It's undeniable that Microsoft has had positive influences on the opensource world with language servers, debug adapter protocol, an inbrowser editor that is seemingly embedded in any website with a code editor, cross-platform C# (maybe that's a curse though, I dunno), linux contributions, and probably more I'm not aware of. Apple... I dunno. Vendor lock-in and more electronic trash?
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VSCode isn't even that good, idk why people are obsessed with it.
For anything compiled, Jetbrains beats it 100:1, and for anything interpreted it's a couple tiers better than Kate.
Personally, I won't be losing sleep if I have to stop using VSCode.
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If jetbrains is that much better really depends on the language. Also, jetbrains shit is damn expensive, so not a fair comparison.
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The thing is the VS code handles everything (with extensions). If I want to use pandoc, or CSV to markdown table, python linting, Go,, whatever, there's extensions that can handle all of these equally well and consistently, for example format on save.
If I want to use jetbrains then the pycharm for python, intelliJ for Java, Goland for golang... Then there's licencing depending on whether I'm using a personal licence or corporate laptop, whether I have to get a licence from my employer etc.
For me it's not so much that it's so good, but that it works with everything in a consistent and obvious way plus I can install it on any machine I might be using.
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The Intellij plugin ecosystem is pretty good. Granted my day job is 80% Java/Kotlin but I also need python and ruby and go and the plug-ins have never let me down. I don’t have pycharm or Ruby Mine or Goland installed.
The license also explicitly lets you use your work license for personal stuff or your personal license for work stuff. The only difference is who pays. You also don’t need a license to use the community edition.
It’s also pretty good at CSV and markdown files. I might be biased because I spend probably 60 hours a week using Intellij but I don’t find any of your points against it to be accurate.
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Jetbrains IDEs are not free though are they?
I also quite like the light touch feel you get from code, I can use it for any language and am not going to have to navigate through hundreds of language specific features I don't need unless I install them myself
Kate might do similar but I can't imagine the extension pool is big enough to compete and I think at that point I'd just use a commandline editor instead
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Some are, the intellij java community edition is even open source. The paid ones are not too expensive, I pay around 200€ yearly for the all products pack and that's definitely worth it for a professional developer. If you are a student or open source developer, you can apply for free versions also.
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I use vscode because I do a lot of embedded.
Used to be that you had to jump through some hoops to make it work - make your own makefiles and stuff. Now, all the major vendors of MCUs are starting to develop vscode plugins as their "IDE" instead of those horrible ultramodified eclipse installs.
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VSCode is a modern emacs. Similar concept, a single editor to do everything via extensions. That's the selling point. "young people" never had the chance to work with a similar concept, this is why they found it so revolutionary (despite being a concept from the 70s).
I use it because I am forced to use a windows laptop at work, and emacs on windows is a painful experience
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Exactly. Jetbrains stuff is great.
With one notble exception: Android Studio, but it only sucks only because of the way Android is. And there is no alternative anyway...
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Right tool for the right job. Like I use VSCode for PowerShell on AWS Windows boxes over SSH, works great. But for Python or Terraform, JetBrains Suite is just better in everyway.
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I write small scripts in NeoVim and larger projects in VSCodium because it provides most of what I need and doesn't consume a lot of resources. It's a good tool, you can also use forks or alternatives, and i think that's the spirit of open source, isn't it?
I also have been trying Kate, works greats and with even better performance.
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I like VSCode because I can run it in a development container and because its the only FOSS IDE with an extension for IEC 61131-3 ST that I am aware of
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Your daily reminder that VSCode is shit not because of telemetry (take your time foil hat off for one second and hear me out and I say that jokingly with love) but because the extension marketplace is not allowed to be accessed by third party tools (INCLUDING CODIUM) and even then many of the extensions are proprietary, closed source. You're not even allowed to distribute compiled VSIX files. It's disgusting. Reading about the troubles gitpod faced that led to the (now) Eclipse Marketplace (idk the name, but it's for VS Code plugins, don't be tricked, it's just owned by Eclipse foundation) is disheartening.
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Oh shit really? I knew their debugger was locked down didn't know extensions were
Codium seems to have all the same extensions though, has someone else just setup their own marketplace?
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Yeah, there is an open marketplace. It's the one Codium uses by default. The problem is there's no way for the controllers to just mirror everything because of the licenses. Also some of the extensions don't work with Codium even if you download manually from the website because of bullshit like tweaking the name or whatever.
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Those that truly dislike MS and telemetry won't.
If I'm using non-free it is Jet Brains.
I tend to use Kate, KDevelop.
MS still slurping code into Copilot from Github and telemetry in VSCode.
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MS still slurping code into Copilot from [...] telemetry in VSCode.
Would you happen to have a source for that? At a cursory glance, it looks like VSCode only does that if you're using Copilot, but if you don't have the extension installed they aren't.
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Unless Quake was made with Copilot, that seems very unlikely:
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Could you get Kate to work with LSP for say svelte or vuejs ?
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Kate has native LSP support, which by default uses "typescript-language-server" for JavaScript. As I don't really do much JavaScript stuff I can't say how well it works, or if it works with those particular frameworks.
https://docs.kde.org/stable5/en/kate/kate/kate-application-plugin-lspclient.html
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VSCode is an open source IDE. Its biggest rival is the JetBrains suite. When the alternatives are proprietary, VSCode is a win.
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Have you tried any of the JetBrains products, they are great.
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I did for a few years. Eventually I had to switch to VSCode because any given Jetbrains product is only good at a single language, and constantly switching Jetbrains products is a nightmare. Now that I've been using VSCode for a while, there are some extension that are so critical to my workflow Jetbrains is virtually useless to me without them.
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I had a job that required me to use JetBrains. I would've preferred to use VSCode.
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Its not only Microsoft crap, its also an Electron app!
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Neovim user here. Granted it takes some time to setup properly but it’s really fast with navigating through files, lsp functions and doing a search in thousands of files.
I found vscode too slow and bloated for my taste.
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Having come from full fat visual studio and using fairly fast machines VS code is a breeze to use.
Though I can't imagine it can compare to commandline stuff in that regard obviously
Is there much reason to learn vim nowadays? I was under the impression it's mostly around for people who got used to it back in the day
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If you have to ask, maybe not. But if you're mostly "keyboard driven", code and edit files a lot, it's (vim or neovim) very much worth trying out.
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It’s great if you get used to it and put in the time to set it the way you want it. I find IDE’s very bloated.
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I'm in my 6th semester and use neovim so no it's not mostly around for people who got used to it back in the day. A lot of my fellow students use it as well. It's the only editor I use because you can use it to edit a single file as well as a whole project and everything is always how I want it to be. Also once you get used to it I guarantee you, you will wonder how people navigate code only using mouse and the arrow keys. It is just a beauty to quickly copy a code block or change a word with 3 keystrokes.
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I've been using VIM for 7 years or so, at this point. I've configured it the way I like.
The point of using it is that there is simply no other text editor which lets you edit text in such a manner. Granted, the keyword shortcuts can seem strange and obtuse in the beginning, but get used to it and you wouldn't want to use anything else anymore. I'm using the VIM extension in VSCode right now and dearly miss my
.vimrcwhich I configured so carefully on my Linux machine.
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Just the matter of taste. For some users who want to get to code quickly, they use VSCode without the hassle. For some power users who want to have extreme extensibility, they use Emacs/Vim.
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I use Kate.
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Don't use vscode, use vsCodium, all the goodness of vscpde with none of the sleezy ms tracking
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It's kinda like using chromium instead of chrome, isn't it? Don't use either; use firefox.
No idea what the editor equivalent would be though... Emacs or vim maybe? Next to noone uses it, but it has so much more potential, if only it where widely adopted.
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There really isn't for free, at least as far as I am aware. You are probably right that Emacs can come somewhat close with the right packages and setup, but VSCode extensions just makes everything so much quicker and easier. JetBrains is also similarly good, but it's obviously not FOSS, and I guess it would be considered a full IDE not a text editor.
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I mentioned vscodium. I believe many of the official extensions have telemetry too though
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The extension marketplace VSCodium uses by default requires that extensions have telemetry off by default
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The extension list is sorely lacking tho.
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"Most of us hate microsoft" is honestly a pretty bold claim. They're just a company that makes software. The vast majority of the world's Linux users--which is to say, professionals who build or manage software that runs in Linux--don't care about them one way or another.
This sub might have an ideological skew, but you still don't know what people in here think about Microsoft.
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No I hate MS. I won't ever forget the pain that was developing edge cases around Internet Explorer (fuck IE 6, that shit was the worst).
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To be fair, when ie6 came out it was a really good browser. The concept of evergreen browsers wasn't broadly a thing back in 2001. Windows XP was a huge success and there was no way to convince the world to move off of it and many companies built their intranets specifically around ie6. I think it was Korea that built all their banking off of Active X.
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I'm talking about the ideological skew
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Even the linux memes communities/subs have better takes than the purist ones lol
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I'm an old OS/2 user. Count me as a Microsoft hater.
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You csn hate a company and like a product. They aren't mutually exclusive.
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This was a tough lesson for me to learn when Pirates of the Caribbean came out. 😠
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I'll just leave this right here.
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This reminds me of when my dad holds an ideological belief about something based on politicians he doesn't like who support it.
"Climate change isn't real because Al Gore..."
"Supply Side Jesus isn't valid because Al Franken..."
"Affirmative Action is racist because Al Sharpton..."
Actually now that I think about it, maybe he just doesn't like people named Al...🤔
But anyway, if it's open source, and the source is sufficiently audited by third parties, and I'm able to compile and run it myself, and running it doesn't have undesired behavior (telemetry etc) then I don't care who wrote it, because it does exactly what I need it to.
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Unfortunately VSCode is not an open-source product, it's only based on an open-source product. It's the difference between Chrome and Chromium. VSCode does have telemetry. VSCode is licensed under Microsoft's proprietary license.
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Choosing not to use good software from the same company just because another software they offer is subpar would be an unreasonable decision.
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Kind of the conclusion I'd come to.
Would you use excel if it were on Linux? It's one of the other few Microsoft products I think is actually pretty good.
Obviously not foss but still
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Ok but most people only use very basic features of Excel and would be fine with a version from the early 2000's. The spreadsheet market has caught up and they'd be fine with basically any product at this point. The only thing propping up Microsoft Office is the subtle incompatibilities they've slipped into their file formats, that people don't want to deal with. That and the fact most people get to use their Office free one way or another, and "it's what I'm used to".
I don't think I've touched actual desktop Office in more than a decade now. Even in a corporate environment it's mostly their online version that gets used 90% of time by 90% of people.
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It's a tool. You use the best tool available. Getting your day job done is your bottom line, you can't afford to be any less productive. If you're a foss coder doing it on your own time, go crazy. Using the most efficient tool isn't the same thing as supporting a company's bad practices, the real world isn't black and white.
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That's a bit black and white of you, isn't it? I don't like this approach ("can't afford to be any less productive"). I am a freelancer and I certainly can afford to be a bit less productive and earn a little less money by supporting and using free software only. And making you belive that you have to use the most efficient tool - no matter what - is exactly part of what keeps bad acting companies successful.
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Using the most efficient tool isn’t the same thing as supporting a company’s bad practices
In some cases it is. Using google, or voice assistants, or chatgpt might be convenient for you, it might even make you the most productive you can be, but it's also supporting their platform and any associated bad practices.
I don't have any issues with using proprietary or closed source software, but that doesn't mean you should always use the best tool available. Because, you see, the real world isn't black and white 😉.
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Productivity vs efficiency
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Well it's really noob friendly. The introductory courses in programming all tell you to use it and it takes some time and experience to find alternative editors that 1. you like better, and 2. won't confuse you more than the course itself does.
I used to use VSCodium and the Vim extension. Then I downloaded Neovim and started configuring it, but I was never really satisfied with the config. Then I found Doom Emacs. It was pretty much the thing I tried turning Neovim into.
But I wouldn't recommend Doom Emacs to a first-year student that is still learning the fundamentals.
Edit: typos
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I don't
If you like vscode you can always use vscodium
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Potato-potato. You support Microsoft if you use either.
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True
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Emacs will be there for you, once vscode gets abandoned.
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We are talking about a code editor, not a whole operating system!
/s
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You will be delighted to read about Evil mode, which is a vim-like editor for the Emacs operating system. 😁
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Emacs will be there for you, once
vscodeWindows gets abandoned.FTFY.
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I don't use VSCode for the exact reason. I used VSCodium but switched to Neovim. I see this problem more with GitHub (also owned by Microsoft). I was not able to get off GitHub yet, but I'm planning to switch to Codeberg probably. I heard that GitLab is also closed source?
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Gitlab is open source, but some features are only available in their Enterprise Edition. As the name suggests, unless you are looking for an alternative for a large company, the open source "Community" Edition is enough for all your needs.
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ITT people having their minds blown by the fact the creator and the creation are two different things.
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My hate for Microsoft is based on the Embrace-Extend-Extinguish business tactics they use since the 80's instead of competing on product quality.
Take a look at the recent computing history and you'll find plenty of examples of great software killed by MS shitty alternatives that were the default because of the stranglehold on the OS market.
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Not even sure it's EEE, they just clone and provide the clone of a good product for free and/or as part of windows.
Their products are usually only second best, but kill the market leader anyway.
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It’s hard to separate yourself from it when the company you work for uses it heavily and leans on some of the extensions for things like containers.
I used to be a hardcore Sublime Text user until it started formatting all of my code like garbage. I had plugins conflicting with each other and couldn’t find alternatives that did what I needed without clashes happening. Plus, barely anything is alive over on the Sublime side.
It’s hard to say no to an editor with that big of a community. You can find 100 plugins for your one need, vs 2 on the Sublime side (and you end up finding that those 2 plugins haven’t been updated in years).
You can always fallback to VSCodium.
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The ability to open gigabytes of log files though, vscode will kill your machine while sublime text can do it without sweating. Also, vscode sometimes used a lot of memory after running for a while, compared to sublime text's minimal memory usage. Still, the killer feature of vscode is the remote development IMO, super useful when using a laptop and working outside. Microsoft seems to refuse opensourcing that part so can't use it on vscodium.
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Which goes to show that we don't blindly hate Microsoft, and that it's not that we refuse to use Windows because it's made by them, but because it's shit.
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I use NeoVim, but I don't hate Microsoft (they contribute a lot to Linux kernel). What is wrong with me?
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I prefer Linux but I do think that the hate for Windows is blown out of proportion. Teams is a whole different story.
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Oh god teams is a great example of a product that is only successful because of a walled garden
Don't think I've ever heard an opinion of teams more positive than "it's good enough"
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For anyone who likes neovim but wants a little extra UI, I've been liking LunarVim recently. Unfortunately their install process is not trivial, but worth it IMO. I still use NeoVim for quick editing of files due to the slightly longer boot time of LV, but for extended writing its nice.
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Been using NeoVide for a while for that matter. It's mostly ok. I'll definitely give LV a try, thanks for the suggestion
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Nothing is wrong with you, you use NeoVim.
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I just want Atom back, or anything that works like it. I want a text editor with a folder tree browser. Syntax highlighting is nice. And decent full project text search.
I use vim for writing code, and atom for taking notes, or just reading code. Then they shut down atom and it sucks.
I hate that I need to dedicate so much time to finding new tools in tech. It’s nice that vim doesn’t change.
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Pulsar is the continuation of Atom
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Really? That’s awesome thank you!
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what about sublime? it has projects, folder file trees...
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I switched from Sublime to Textmate and then to Vim a long time ago then added Atom back in because everybody else used it. I’m not so good at retracing my steps decision wise.
I’ve been using sublime.
I guess something about the “your code as a thumbnail” navigation feature kinda bothers me. Seems to go against the idea of small, readable files.
Back when I loved that feature, I was still writing 1000-line files.
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You use whatever works best for you. Microsoft Lens, on Android, is still unmatched for scanning, correcting perspective, and cleaning up whiteboards. No OSS tool comes close - and, believe me, I tried to use others (or, other; I think OpenScan is the only thing that attempts something similar). It would be foolish to not use a tool that you like using and doesn't have any hidden consequences, merely because of on opinion.
I don't think VSCode is particularly good, myself, but the point remains: it's free, I haven't heard anything about it surreptitiously sending info to MS, and if it works for people, then great.
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I think the proprietary version MS distributes does send telemetry data to them but I personally just use VSCodium, which is based on the open source VS Code version.
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Probably. I have no doubt that Lens (the aforementioned tool I used to use) does. In the career I had, I had to give up the telemetry, because I had to use Lens. There is literally no practical alternative. Sometimes, you just have to pay that cost. Heck, I'd have bought a telemetry-free alternative from someone else if it worked as well, and if anyone offered one. Which they don't.
I'm beating that dead horse because it baffles me everytime I think about it that, in a veritable app ocean of calculator, chat, and everything else, Lens is apparently unique.
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I agree with being pragmatic, but the opinion of hating Microsoft isn't unfounded. There are pragmatic reasons to avoid building up and entrenching yourself in tooling that doesn't respect you as a user or is controlled by companies that has interests that don't align with yours.
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I didn't say iy was wrong to hate Microsoft. I said that it's silly to ignore the best tool on only principle. You might not want it because it costs money, or collects telemetry, or because you want to avoid vendor lock-in; these are all reasons that have a grounded cost, even if the yool is best in class. But just because you don't like the company itself?
If MS took VS Code away tomorrow, devs would switch to something else. That's a cost I'm not willing to pay, but if they are... eh. If Microsoft took Lens away, well, we're fucked, because the OSS community has not offered any solution that works better than just taking a picture and cleaning it up in GIMP.
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If Windows was open source it wouldn’t be as bad
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It would reveal the hidden DOS running in the background doing all the work
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It's not the closed source that bothers me it just feels painful to use
Applications should not take that long to open on an nvme and an i7
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ReactOS lol
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Not AS bad, but it's still shitty IMO based on design posture and weird design decisions
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I use vscodium and ms office 2016, fight me
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check out LibreOffice's contextual groups
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Free software doesn't have owners, that is kinda the point.
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It really does though. Someone controls the project and decides what's in or out. Other people engineer around that project, and the current latest version of that project becomes a de facto standard.
So you can either use that and let the people who control the project be in charge, or you can find enough developer time to maintain 99% compatibility as the de facto standard project changes stuff and the ecosystem you need to use follows.
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I feel like microsoft's gameplan is less "everyone must use windows" these days and more "we want to gatekeep tech on as many levels as possible". I'm wary of relying on anything they put out. I think we've all recently seen what big tech companies do when they decide its time to monetize more aggressively.
Right now helix is pretty good for what I do with it.
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I was using Atom, but that died. I work with both Python and Fortran, and VSCode works for my usecase, but I'm open to suggestions.
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Pulsar was forked from Atom and lives on!
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Didn't know about this, will definitely give this a shot. There's also Lapce, which doesn't use Electron and looks promising.
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I almost see Pulsar as the anti-VSCode/Microsoft in a way. Microsoft slowed development and killed Atom in order to promote use of VSCode. Instead of letting it die we decided to keep it alive and offer it as a viable alternative. So in some sense it almost exists just to spite Microsoft's attempts to kill it.
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I switched to neovim. You can also use a text editor for more basic stuff
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I wouldn't say I "hate" Microsoft (or Apple, or Google), but I recognize the harm they do to the free software movement and to the technology world in general. I wouldn't avoid a good quality free software just because it's made by a GAFAM company (as long as I stick with the free parts and avoid proprietary extensions), just like I wouldn't use proprietary software just because it's not made by GAFAM.
The point isn't to hate GAFAM but to seek freedom and control over your computing.
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I rather use notepad++ masterpiece
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Do you run it though bottles?
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I'll be interested to see how JetBrains's Fleet works out. I like Rider a lot more than full Visual Studio (also Rider is actually available on Linux).
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I use vscodium btw.
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VSCodium: https://vscodium.com/
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I actually mentioned vscodium in my post but at the end of the day it's still a Microsoft product and the extensions still have telemetry from what I hear
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Wait. If I remember correctly they use a separate extension store for vscodium. If you want the default microsoft one you have to set that up manually. You're dismissing it outright, but vscodium is actually a valid alternative without any telemetry.
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Agreed, I share the same frustration (including for Chromium) as if developers were somehow blissfully ignorant of the political and economical power they give away to company that use and abuse their work, truly self flagellating.
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I was using Sublime Text for many years. Even after Atom came out I still used ST3. However, ST development is understandably slow compared to VSCode and it is now so far behind that loyalty isn't enough of a reason to continue using it.
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I've been using sublime since forever as well; Atom never really felt like a valid alternative because it was so so slow. VSCode still feels kinda slow but not to a degree that gets to be annoying. Still I could never get used to it. It breaks some system keyboard shortcuts that I use heavily (alt + arrow keys for example) and takes forever to parse files (to make a list of all functions in the project for example).
I wish sublime would update more often and have all the cool new things that come to VSCode every other week, but at the end of the day it still works better and doesn't really lack anything that's actually useful (except maybe for a few months before st4 came out).
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I love Jetbrains. As a company, how they treat their users, the way they do subscription models (subscribe yearly, and if you unsubscribe, keep the license for the version you have still, including the ability to re-download that version), and just the prodding quality overall.
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Developing in C# in Corporate, so C# debugger only works on VS Code sadly
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Yeah I noticed that in my debug output the other day, how fucked is that that they only allow their debugger with Microsoft ides
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I don't use it.
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Which is why I said many and not all
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Sure. Just wanted to say this in case the hypothesis is skewed. I use Github, which also belongs to Microsoft. But I guess if you're looking for a proper IDE and something that's widely adapted and has lots of plugins available... There aren't many alternatives to choose from...
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If you're a true MS hater you can't use TypeScript either. /sarcasm
If you work as developer, depending on where you work at using code editors with features like remote SSH is a must. If you are just a hobbyist even coding on Nodepad++ will do.
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I need to use VSCode at university because their version of neovim is too outdated for my config...
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Have you tried compiling neovim for your own personal use? There are a bunch of possible issues that can arise, like lack of enough space or required dependencies, but if you miss neovim it might be worth trying
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well i ended up just downloading the latest release build on github and symlinked the binary to my .local/bin, and it works now
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for debian based systems, there is a PPA with nightly builds. I use a quick and dirty python script via systemd to schedule nightly builds from the PPA's source pkg on both debian and popOS with good results. worst case you can roll back to a prevous build of the pkg, tho Ive never had to
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Vscode, the chrome browser with a ide suit. No thanks
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