Pixel 8. No bloatware (except the Google bloat of course, but you can get rid of this easily), plus Google has now promised 7 years of updates - which is more than the iPhone. This would increase the resale value of the phone, and even if you don't want to sell it, you could always give it to a family member or something after say 3-4 years of use, and they'd still get many years of official updates remaining. This is great for reducing e-waste whilst still maintaining a good security posture.
And if you're privacy conscious, you could ditch the Google ecosystem completely and load GrapheneOS on it, and GrapheneOS is simple amazing in terms of privacy and security, and arguably has better battery life too (thanks to no Google bloatware running on it).
I would also suggest looking into GrapheneOS if you're looking for something new. I've been running it for 6 months on my pixel 6, and I have really enjoyed it. Apps just work, you can still use Google Play services in a sandbox, it's smooth and gets good battery life. The only downside that I have run across is the lack of Android auto support, but everything else just works
Yeah Pixel for similar reasons. Even when I paid for an expensive Samsung phone all the unremovable crap they'd loaded on made it feel like I was the product rather than the customer.
Samsung has a bunch of proprietary crap I always hated. Most especially the Knox protection that prevents rooting or custom ROM installation easily.
My sister has the newest Pixel and it's practically stock Android. It's Google's flagship phone, too. Unfortunately I don't have my own hands on experience with it to offer more details, but I'd choose the Pixel over a Samsung.
I like Samsung hardware a LOT, they are usually pretty cutting edge. I'm decidedly less a fan of their software. They run a custom launcher which is very meh.
Contrasted with Google, their hardware leaves a lot to be desired especially at the flagship price. The software (stock Android) is solid though. You are also guaranteed updates, I believe now the Pixel 8 is for 7 years. I don't know of any other Android devices that will get updates for that long.
Google support is also pretty lackluster. I haven't had to deal with Samsung so cannot comment there. I hear it's better.
Flagship price? You get a Pixel 8 pro and a pixel watch 2 for $900. If you sell the smartwatch for $300 (MSRP is $400) you come out at $600. The S23 Ultra and iPhone 15 Pro is at $1300.
Netflix you just can't get from Google Play, but people report having no problem installing from Aurora (basically a Google Play store frontend).
I'm not sure how it works on Graphene as I personally just rooted my phone but didn't take the plunge to Graphene, but there is a list of compatible banking apps here: https://privsec.dev/banking
If it weren't for Samsung crap like pre-installed Facebook and other bloat, unremovable Samsung apps etc. I'd go for one because I really like Dex, the fact that they put latest hardware available in their flagship etc. But considering things as they are, I'd choose the Pixel.
Even their keyboard wants to connect online and access to your contacts. Kinda creepy. If you get Samsung there's a ton of stuff you need to disable privacy-wise. But yeah their hardware is amazing.
There are options for debloating (like uninstalling via adb) but the thing I read about camera no longer working after flashing a custom rom made this piece of crap I am writing from my first and last Samsung.
Good luck with your Pixel
The Pixel is the far superior product as far as I am concerned: Faster, more stable, no bloatware and the best camera around.
But, and this might be a big but for some, if you need repairs or service outside of insurance you are SOL. There's not a lot of companies doing Pixel repairs and if they do the parts are insanely expensive. I needed a screen replace and it cost almost as much as the phone itself in parts and labour. And the end result is a screen that gets dirtier and a non-functioning fingerprint sensor. Not optimal.
Ah, also as a professional photographer I can promise you the cameras are better on Samsung devices.
Thanks your your feedback, that is interesting.
The one thing pixel is better at in my expeirence is the digital zoom, I can get insane detail at 20+ zoom levels that I could never even approximate with a Samsung.
Also, battery life on the 7 series is pretty bad. My old 3a had awesome battery life, but since then Google started making their own SoC. They still use some third-party chips which they don't control, and it's affecting power efficiency. I've heard rumors that they're expected to have better control of power consumption around the 9 series.
All that being said, I love my Pixel 7a, but I frequently have to top it off to last me a full day. I can handle that, but if you don't have access to a charger during the day I'd consider other options.
I had the Pixel 3XL for years and loved it, but it was time to upgrade this year. I tried the latest Pixel and I hated the redesign and I had to return it. I made the switch to the Samsung Galaxy 23 Ultra and I love it. Sadly the Pixel design is no longer as good as it once was. Hang onto that 4a as long as you can.
I have a pixel 6 personal phone and a Samsung s21fe work phone and the software on the Samsung is garbage. Bloatware you can't uninstall, weird default settings, "features" nobody wanted that I can't disable, and more bloatware.
If you like lots of customization options out of the box, then Samsung. If you like using a pen to write (or convert handwriting to text) or draw, then Samsung. If you want barebones Google and don't want extra features or customizations, then Pixel. It depends what you like.
I can see a reason to get either a pixel or Samsung, can't really go wrong with either. Personally I use a Samsung for the customization of OneUI and better processors but occasionally I do envy the camera on a pixel phone and the stock android layout. Main advice if you were to get either is to try to buy it used instead of new.
Samsung has a set of tools called good lock, where you can customise OneUI with such ease. The only thing I miss about my pixel is the weather and which song is playing on the AOD screen. Now samsung allows widgets on AOD buts it not the same thing.
The hardware of Samsung feels really solid. It's definitely more customisable. The pixel though just has everything already built in. It was a joy to use. Plus the camera is just so reliable. Far better than the base s23.
The Samsung isn't quite bad enough that I want to sell it and get another pixel when it comes out, but I'm definitely not sticking with Samsung in however many years time when I do replace it.
I switch from a Pixel 3 to a S23 and it's really nice. The new Snapdragon 8 gen 2 is solid, with great battery life and doesn't heat up even when doing intensive task. I also change almost all the stock app to Google's so it's basically just like using a Pixel now, abet with some restriction (no google recorder app because that's pixel exclusive lol).
I was worried about "Samsung bloat" too but I have to say the new OneUI is rather nice.
I had a pixel 6 pro and was going to upgrade to the 8 pro when it came out, but the leaks seemed to indicate that they were gonna have the same modem/connectivity issues which was my biggest complaint about the 6 pro. My carrier (Google Fi) was running a crazy deal on Galaxy phones so I decided fuck it and got the 23 plus (I don't care for a stylus). Holy shit it's night and day, the amount of stuff that just genuinely works is such a breath of fresh air. My wireless android auto "just works" my galaxy watch "just works", setting everything up worked the first try. My fingerprint reader is way better. Apps crash less, samsung health is pretty cool (no extra subscription). I was a little leery of all the Samsung "bloatware" (I've been hearing all bad stuff since the TouchWiz days), but honestly almost everything is better than the Google version. The noteable exception is the keyboard, for whatever reason my autocorrect on Gboard seems to be way better. I was nervous I'd miss the pixel call blocking stuff, but apparently Bixby also does it so I haven't noticed any spam calls since switching.
TL;DR: galaxy S23 is super dope, if you can get it on a deal I'd highly recommend it.
I have the same experience. I find somehow the call blocking is more robust on Samsung. I had no idea that they even had that feature parity.
The perception of Samsung being full of bloat is a misnomer. Can't get rid of lots of Google apps on the pixel and can't change the photo gallery app or the camera app.
I have my own Cloud and don't want to use Google's, and Samsungs software was much more receptive in me de-googling the phone the way I wanted to with my own self hosted photo backup software.
With Pixels you can install different ROMs or root your device to remove anything you want. Samsung doesn't give you that choice. Also, Samsung software has gotten so buggy over the years to the point I don't even use my Samsung anymore. Graphene OS is so light weight and stable compared to my S21+ with disabled bloatware and heavy battery optimization. Not to mention how hot Samsung phones get when using the camera.
I've been using Pixels for a while and have been happy with them. Tried some of the other phones and didn't like the UX. Most of them have a ton of bloatware. I have enjoyed the stock android experience and the camera.
I think the Pixel 8 Pro has a slight price increase, so you're starting to get up there in price. If possible, I recommend going into a store and using the phones and such.
For real. When one of my friends dropped his phone and cracked the screen ,we saved it by checking and backing up his stuff through samsung dex. Smart Switch doesn't work through dex though, so we still had to guess where the buttons were on an all white screen to work it through the phone.
I didn't realize til shopping around recently that most flagship phones' type C ports are only usb 2 instead of USB 3 like the Samsung S series phones. I reeeally wanted HDMI out in case I needed it in a pinch, too.
I have an S23 Ultra and it is a nice phone but I wouldn't recommend Samsung to anyone because my last several Samsungs "mysteriously" got issues right before the 2 year plan ended. I won't be getting another Samsung after this one. I really wanted the pen and it is great but I'm starting to care more about longevity.
Pixel has the smoothest experience in terms of animations, but they also have the shittiest hardware.
Samsung is okay, and the snapdragon versions have usable battery and modems.
Pixel's SOC is hot garbage (though time will tell for pixel 8)
I really like both. This round I ended up going with Samsung. Yeah it's a little more bloated but there's just SO much more customization with good lock modules. I have an audio module that lets me choose a second audio destination. So for example I can be playing music through Bluetooth on my stereo system and then I have my system notifications set to the phone speaker so that they don't interrupt the music
So i think used to be a goodlock module but i guess now its in Settings > Sounds and Vibration > separate app sound. If you don't have it there you can get a goodlock module called "sound assistant". Separate app sound isn't super flexible but it at least lets you choose an app to go to a specific audio output device. Goodlock is available in the galaxy store and has a lot of modules for heavy customization of your galaxy device.
The Pixel experience being stock Android without any bloatware appeals to me.
I've also always rooted all of my Android devices, and the Pixel has been one of the easiest to do so, though this advantage would only be relevant to a small minority of users.
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Those using Samsung, how do you get around the bloatware and redundant apps? I agree that Samsung typically has better hardware. Before they locked their bootloader I used them exclusively with custom roms to get a clean android experience. The Pixel line tends to only include the Google apps with no extra third party apps. Getting access to the latest Android versions on releases is also a big plus for me.
Pixels historically have a lot of weird hardware issues, like the modem underperforming, bad antennas, poor fingerprint sensor, overheating, and so on.
I don't know if the Pixel 8 lineup has them too, but I would search around pretty heavily on that and see first.
I love my Pixel and would always choose it over Samsung, but yuuuup. Lot's of wierd Software issues too.
Can't forget the time when they shipped a PIN recovery mode that allows you to enter the PUK for whatever SIM card is inserted ... while also allowing you to hot swap sim cards. 😂
The Pixel is like any other Google product, half-assed and supported only when they feel like it. My Pixel 6 was vulnerable to an attack needing no user input because Google waited a week past the disclosure deadline to put a patch out from a vulnerability their own security group originally found. The phone also maybe couldn’t have called 911 for a few weeks. The phone looking dated and having a slow as hell finger print sensor are on me, but the former are Google being shitty.
Yeah I thought really hard about getting a Pixel 6a as my next phone (on a budget), but the specs aren't that great for the price, plus all the bugs I keep reading about are turning me away from Pixels in general.
I just made this exact comment on another thread:
My first smartphone was a Samsung, it was also my last Samsung device. I hate the bloatware, just want as close to stock android as possible. After the Samsung I had a couple of Nexus device by Motorola (pre-pixel I guess? Google designed built by Motorola IIRC) then went to OnePlus
I've just recently switched from a Galaxy S10 to a Pixel 7 as I wanted to see the "vanilla" experience, as well as be closer to upstream for software updates. My S10 still works great, though the battery needs replacement (at the time, it had already broken the glue on the back glass and was still expanding -- didn't realize until I took it out of the case for cleaning)...
With my S10, I had to really fight to get it to let me use Google's apps over the Samsung ones; which whole annoying is doable. So far, the only things I really miss from Samsung (and notably the UX):
The sidebar/panel with an additional set of predefined apps
Am not really sure what you mean by "had to really fight to get it to let me use Google's apps"? I've been a Samsung user for years and I have never even once ran into situation where wrong application would start. Not only that, I started using Samsung's Email application last year because GMail stopped downloading attachments, a known issue they never fixed.
Part of the difficulty may have also been because it was my first foray into Android... at the moment I don't have a specific example, but I seem to remember setting defaults was straight-forward; but either they were not always respected by certain interaction prompts, or some similar behavior.
As for GMail, I'm also no longer using the app and instead have opted for Spark (personal mailboxes) & Outlook (exchange, work)...
Get a pixel and install GrapheneOS (they make it super easy with their web-based installer). You can even reinstall google play services and then harshly restrict their system access, massively boosting your privacy without sacrificing usability. It also has a very little footprint and you can use aurora store to get google play store apps or fdroid for even better privacy.
Samsung fucks up their version of android, most notably killing background apps no matter what setting you change, but OneUI is by far the best UI I've ever used in a phone. Very confused on whether it's open source or not, I see open source licenses and a a community driven GitHub page for it but it's also samsung. Still the UI is awesome
Haven't had a samsung phone since the note 3, but I remember having issues with unlocking the bootloader, I think you had to use some 3rd party tool because samsung provided no guide in their manual. With nexus and pixel phones it's really easy so them I can definately recommend.
I don't have a great answer for you as I haven't used the Pixel 8 Pro yet.
I have owned a Pixel 7 Pro alongside my Motorola Razr+ and my S23 Ultra and, personally, found the S23 Ultra to be leagues better in software features and hardware performance (I know I'm going to get voted down to hell for saying it). I ended up selling it to a friend.
BUT...based on the current P8P information, it may finally change my mind. I definitely plan to pick one up and use it as my DD for awhile and see. I'm legitimately hopeful.
Yeah, I think it depends heavily on your recent experience. The Pixel 7 experience is much improved over my previous 2020 Xiaomi phone, but the SoC is only marginally better. Software optimizations and ditching MIUI seem like just as big of a factor in the improvement, if not the main factor. If I'd had another flagship in-between those devices maybe I'd find Pixel 7 performance lacking too, it's simply the most performant smartphone I've used.
Pixel 7 works perfectly for me. I like nearly all aspects of it. The camera is extremely good (I've recently made a comparison with iPhone 14 Pro Max and iPhone was far worse) and reliable. The battery life and performance is good. The phone feels smooth, without a lot of bugs. I don't have a recent experience with Samsung, but I will stick with Pixel going forward.
All the nerds like to recommend the Pixel since it's "pure" and a device for tinkering. But ignore the fact that all google products are unfinished, and this is true for the pixel line. If you are OK with beta testing for google and doing workarounds for bugs, then this is fine. But not everyone has time and nerves for that.
Yeah, samsung has bloat(most can be removed, disabled etc.) but I've never had OS bugs like when I had a Nexus or a Pixel.
Can't speak on the Pixel (I've heard great things), but I have an S23+ and it works pretty great for me. I don't play a lot of games or anything if that's what you're looking for though
I'm going to get an S24 when they release, have pretty much always used Samsung when on Android.
FWIW, I understand all the complaints about bloat from duplicated applications, but a significant amount of that blame should be on Google as well. I don't use the GMail app, but I can't uninstall it, so it's system bloat.
I moved from Samsung to Sony. I gave the Pixel a try, but it's basically the same arbitrarily cut down hardware. Sony is making the last remaining flagship with a headphone jack and expandable storage.
I miss having Dex from Samsung, I miss having a more effective software for point and shoot picture processing. Other than that, I'm not looking back.
Isn’t the Sony flagship like 2k? From everything I have heard it’s a pretty niche phone mainly for people who know how to get the most out of their Camera by manually adjusting settings. I get wanting a headphone jack but having to use an adapter isn’t worth spending an extra $600
Why not have more storage on your phone for photos or music and then have that backup to a server? I encourage you to try to recover data from your broken phone. Much easier to read data from a unencrypted HDD then take a phone apart and try to read the bytes off it. You just keep all sensitive data on your phone's internal storage.
I am in planes sometimes. I have no music subscriptions. I take RAW copies of my photos (which the phone does, that's the flipside of the mediocre processing for the camera) AND I play a bunch of games on that thing during flights. Not even phone games, although that too. Emulation is a use case for me.
Plus, internal storage is sold at a massive premium. Why pay hundreds to dobule my 256 gigs of storage when I can pay tens for a terabyte?
Oh, and this thing does hotswappable cards, too. So yeah, if you want to record hours of 4K video, then swap cards and record several more hours, you absolute can. For extremely cheap.
Why would you NOT want expandable storage?
EDIT: For the record, since you raise it, I would lose no data from this phone if I lost it. I get the same remote wipe options you get elsewhere, and everything that needs to stick around does get a cloud copy, including that music and games. But the bonus is I still get very cheap offline access to all that data without having to download it each time and a ton of additional storage for high quality originals of my photos and recordings before free cloud storage has their way with them. Not to mention easy ways to move data back and forth without relying on networking. Again, why would you not want that?
Samsung hardware is a lot higher quality, but the Pixel is cheaper. I've had to return a pixel to Google 5 times before so I don't buy those any longer for myself.
If you are able to get the the Pixel with a deal, go for it. Pixels don't retain much resale value, like Samsungs. For example, the Pixel 6a launched at 450, now it's in the Google Store at 250.
The last time I tried a Samsung phone I returned it the same day I got it. The competing OS elements from Samsung's ROM and the standard Android UI were really really off-putting to me. I can get an app having a unique style, but this was different OS elements looking and working differently.
I have used Samsung since the first Galaxy S I think and didn't understand the bloat everyone is talking about until I remembered I've used the Nova launcher for nearly all of them. You can also remove the Samsung apps if you want.
I use the OneUI and it's not bloated at all. It let's you customize, install and uninstall components at your heart's content. I use FLOSS alternatives for most of the Google and Samsung defaults and it let's me uninstall them without issue.
Pen to me means a lot. Signing documents, annotating screen shots, remote control of the device, etc. Another thing that Samsung is superior at is servicing your device after warranty is out. I still have a pair of S7 Edge phones looking and working like new. At some point (5-6 years of use) screen developed a purple line. It cost me 160€ to replace screen and Samsung authorized center replaced metal body, battery, buttons as well, all for free. So I got a new phone basically. My parents are still using my now 7 year old phone. And Samsung still offers spare parts for them although they have to be ordered now so there's a slight delay. Bloatware is not a problem for me as most can be uninstalled and the rest can be disabled. Sure it's not pristine but it works and there's no garbage I don't want. Samsung also makes it very easy to move to another Samsung device. Literally all of your settings, wallpapers, files and applications are moved to another device. This is a no brainer for me. Maybe Pixel devices have this as well, but I haven't used it. I do know in my country Google doesn't have authorized service centers so finding parts might get difficult.
So all in all, you have to be frank with your about what is it what you really want. If you want closer to stock, Pixel is probably better in that. Samsung on the other hand has a lot of features I've grown to like that Google doesn't offer, pen being the huge part of it.
I went from Samsung S10+ to a pixel 5 which was a huge upgrade. Pixel 5 to pixel 7 pro was a considerably bigger downgrade. After my experience, I'm at least a few generations and a lot of reviews between my next pixel or tensor phone.
P7P:
overheats with light use
between 1/2 and 1 days battery life
persistent screen glare
worst android UI I've seen since maybe my galaxy s3? Genuinely so long I can't even really be sure.
terrible build materials. Mad slippy and will break if dropped even a small distance
worst fingerprint sensor I've used.
most limited customization of any android in recent memory, combined with awful stock ux
I got it in-store from best buy not long after launch, seems unlikely it would be a fake, especially when all the advertised exclusive features work (call screen, magic eraser etc).
Pixel 8 pro ! You will have stock Android, providing a better experience. Moreover it's less expensive!
I love Pixel phones. I recently got the Pixel tablet.
As an owner of the Pixel 7 Pro, I'd say the S23 Ultra. Better in every possible way except duplicate Google/Samsung apps, mostly-subjective camera differences, and subjective UI skin.
Lots of hate for Samsung in here... I actually just switched from Pixel (and before that Nexus phones) to Samsung for the first time ever, because the Z Flip 5 is everything I've ever wanted in a phone form factor.
If you are planning to do many photos and videos go to Samsung it's pretty good specially in low light condition. The pen is cool, it's more resistant and it is definitely faster. I think the design is better too but it's my opinion only.
I like what other people describe as 'bloat' on a Samsung. But I am a powetuser who actually uses a lof these functions. Sure i dont need two calenders. But i can just not activate the samsung one and hide it in the launcher. Also i would say that samsung has a better ecosystem. I am also using a samsung tablet which is superb and some samsung smart tags. If you get a pixel you dont really have an option to use any working smart tag.
What the heck is an "Android Experience"? That seems like some vague aspiration or ideal that doesn't mean much. You probably have an idea of what you want or prefer, so easier to state that.