Is lemmy.ml turn into authoritarian?
I just realised, I can't post anything on lemmy.ml
So, I checked https://lemmy.ml/modlog, there's a new moderator.
All posts and comments talking about China, Jinping, Russia, and Putin have been deleted and users banned
Coming from Reddit, the very existence of this thread is a breath of fresh air. That there are mod logs at all to be able to document this, that there is a place where it can be posted that is not under control of the mods being criticized, is an enormous improvement over an unaccountable centralized platform.
The other beautiful thing is that if you aren't satisfied with the behavior of mods and admin on one instance, there are literally hundreds of others to choose from. You aren't stuck dealing with bad actors if you want to participate. And if moderation of a particular community upsets the users, they are free to move to or create a similar community on a different instance.
The major downside of this is that it's going to create echo chambers, but that's unavoidable. It's not like this is a new problem. Communities that reject outside ideas outright have existed long before the internet.
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A meme I just saw mentioned Tiananmen Square on lemmy.ml, the comments were an absolute dumpster fire
I think this is bad for Lemmy as a whole, as a community but only due to misunderstanding and generalizations... People are going to equate the "censorship" on the server lemmy.ml as censorship on Lemmy, the platform/software. That is just NOT THE CASE. Please, whenever someone mentions lemmy.ml and its censorship or the likes, be fast to mention that that is a specific lemmy server and the beauty of lemmy is its decentralization and the fact that it is open source. There are plenty of other servers.
I fear that this kind of thing drives people away from Lemmy, when it should not.
Well, the situation is a bit more complex. Admins of this "specific Lemmy Server" are creators and main maintainers of the Lemmy project as such.
So, generalization you are afraid of makes some sense.
I have replied to someone else further down with my opinion on this topic. I think it also fits in a reply to you, so I will just copy paste it here:
Yes, it might sound worrisome, but I dont think you are pushing authoritarian ideology by using Lemmy. The code itself is fine. The code is not authoritarian. The server which hosts your account is also not authoritarian.
Lemmy is, right now, the best alternative for a reddit-like platform. It is something created for the users, by the users. By using lemmy, you are not enriching the wallets of the shareholders. By using something like reddit, you provide content and a select few get to buy a new yacht.
Also, plenty of people are contributing code to lemmy. It is no longer just these 2. The code is also Open-Source. Anyone can fork it and create a new version of lemmy, with compatibility with the current version of lemmy. By using lemmy, you are allowing the possibility that, at any time in the future, someone else comes and says “I have some ideas to improve lemmy, let’s do this on my own terms”, forks it and continues the work without massively spliting the community.
Censorship is certainly the kind of thing that drove people away from dotworld for preemptively defederating from Hexbear by fiat.
Fuck these tankies man. I'm as leftist as they come and I HATE what these people are doing to the cause. We want healthcare and equal rights, and these loonies are dragging us all down with their fascination for those horrible fascist regimes (it takes 2 braincells to realize the CCP is 1984 incarnate).
I'm at the same time horrified and fascinated by them. I saw a comment that accused NATO of causing he war to "drag on". When I brought up that Russia could just leave, I got people unironically replying that Ukraine was the aggressor in the war and that it was Ukraine committing genocide and attacks on civilians. I understand that I could be trapped in a western bubble... but really? I didn't bother asking for a source because I'm sure the only source for that misinformation is the Kremlin. What's crazy is that you would think the Russian shills would be spread out trying to infect other communities with disinformation, instead they all flock to this echo chamber apparently, so it seems likely that they genuinely believe this stuff.
They know it's bullshit. The United States in this instance is doing the largely correct thing. However historically that hasn't always been the case. Were usually the ones attacking and destabilizing other countries. South America, Hawaii, the middle east, Korea, Vietnam and on and on. Anyone that opposed US homogene as pushed by wealthy oligarchic fascist throughout American history. Has historically met and unfortunate end.
Realistically in this instance Russia is much closer to what the United States has been historically. Than they are any Ally of leninist regimes. But to leninists. They are the enemy of their enemy and an ally of convenience. Because overall outside of World War II etc. The United States has been the biggest constant enemy to much the rest of the world.
I'm a progressive who thought I was moderate for the longest time because tankie rhetoric on the left. I fully recognize now though that the tankies are a laughable minority. They're just a bunch of loud people on the Internet.
You ironically have a post saying that Muslims are culturally terrorists and all Muslims need to fall in line with French cultural authoritarianism. Totally not tankie behavior, just regular normal, "leftist as they come" behavior, right?
https://lemmy.world/comment/2941761
You sound like another run of the mill racist, bigoted liberal who wants to smear the leftist label by LARP'ing as one for the sole purpose of attacking leftists.
Muslim is not a race, just as Socialism is not a race. The idea that religion deserves special treatment needs to die.
Obviously a bit thin skinned, but IMO lemmy.ml can do what they want with their moderation. It is not anybody else's decision how they moderate, except of course keeping it legal.
Seems to me almost all those comments are somewhat offensive, for instance calling people tankies, claiming they should go back under their stone, and frequently use the word fuck, as if those are some sort of argument. I'm guessing rule 2 is something about not being rude. Personally I find that perfectly OK not to allow rude comments.
OP should "read the room" and terms better, then maybe they could have a proper debate.
PS:
Rule 2 of lemmy.ml includes: "Be respectful, especially when disagreeing. " Clearly that rule is ignored over and over again by the above user.
I'm shocked the statement that lemmy.ml can moderate as they want is in any way controversial, yet here we are, and this post has about a third downvotes.
Lemmy dot ml is like, one step away from becoming another Lemmygrad.
and I think thats probably by design, Since lemmygrad is defederated from a lot of the better instances, what better way to get back into them than to take over a federated instance.
Especially when the admins and lemmy creators are down with your tankie ideology and support you taking over the instance.
lemmy.ml defederated lemmygrad.com ages ago
except of course keeping it legal
This is also up to them. If the admins are ok to get corresponding consequences - they can do this.
Posts like this posted here from time to time.
And I think the main problem is: the fact that an instance has a very strong political view and even a censorship becomes a big surprise for people using this exact instance.
It looks like an instance and community policies must be somehow better visible.
This is also up to them.
No it's not, they may walk the line, but if they cross it, the law will ultimately be enforced. So in the long run, a service can only exist if it is kept legal.
Posts like this posted here from time to time.
I'm not sure what you mean, but yes there are repeated attacks on lemmy.ml, and it's getting tiring, because it always turns out to be very speculative, and not really an issue.
an instance has a very strong political view and even a censorship
They are moderating according to their own rules. Rule 2: "Be respectful, especially when disagreeing. Everyone should feel welcome here." Clearly the above poster violated this rule over and over.
It looks like an instance and community policies must be somehow better visible.
That's a completely different debate.
This is the only good take I've read on this thread so far. People are mad their opinions, vitriol, and/or FUD aren't tacitly approved by the mods of another instance.
Thank you. I find it sad that so many people don't seem to understand that their right to free speech, is not a right to dictate other people, or force themselves on whatever forum they want.
But they are taking away free speech!!! \s
Truly sad to see a majority is down voting this, meaning they believe free speech includes how a lemmy instance is moderated?!
About 30% (just my estimate) of the people here from Reddit had a problem with mods having too much freedom granted to them by Spez. There is an irony that such people would be attracted to a decentralized network where instances have even more freedom to shape their communities, but as you said- it doesn't really matter what people think when anyone can go start their own.
Yeah the first ban I got was warranted, but this time it was just using the word "genocide" consistently with the UN definition. That's chilling as fuck and goes way beyond simple "stated moderation standards." That's straight up information warfare.
"Don't worry, if you correctly call this a genocide, hexbear will ban you for genocide denial without a hint of irony."
If you were already on thin ice, this shouldn't have really been a surprise. Like most internet dwellers who get banned somewhere you're dressing up your offending comment to make it seem like persecution, but while it's not a heinous comment on its own, but if you have history I can absolutely see a mod not wanting to deal with you trolling the hexbears. And it certainly wasn't just "using the word genocide".
It was always a tankie den. The Lemmy developers are very openly tankies.
They held their heads relatively low during the whole Reddit exodus, but that's about it.
Here are some examples: https://raddle.me/f/lobby/159606/is-lemmy-still-a-tankie-platform-or-are-there-actual
Reading this really troubles me. I don’t like the implication that using lemmy is pushing authoritarian ideology.
If I was born 50 yrs earlier I would literally have been put in the gas chamber. I tick several qualifiers for it.
Yes, it might sound worrisome, but I dont think you are pushing authoritarian ideology by using Lemmy. The code itself is fine. The code is not authoritarian. The server which hosts your account is also not authoritarian.
Lemmy is, right now, the best alternative for a reddit-like platform. It is something created for the users, by the users. By using lemmy, you are not enriching the wallets of the shareholders. By using something like reddit, you provide content and a select few get to buy a new yacht.
Also, plenty of people are contributing code to lemmy. It is no longer just these 2. The code is also Open-Source. Anyone can fork it and create a new version of lemmy, with compatibility with the current version of lemmy. By using lemmy, you are allowing the possibility that, at any time in the future, someone else comes and says "I have some ideas to improve lemmy, let's do this on my own terms", forks it and continues the work without massively spliting the community.
I don't think comparing communism with fasism, at least when it comes to exterminating ethnic minorities is accurate. this is an opinion shared by academics, including coauthors of "The Black Book of Communism" (the book which claims communism killed 80M-100M people, though the upper end of the range is the one which has more attention. this number is disputed, again also by coauthors)
I could explain why I believe you shouldn't do this in my own words, but I will use the words of Nicolas Werth, one of the three main coauthors who distanced themselves from the book:
Death camps did not exist in the Soviet Union.
and
The more you compare Communism and Nazism, the more the differences are obvious.
Another quote I will give is from Amir Weiner an American historian and associate professor of Soviet history at Stanford University who wrote:
[w]hen Stalin's successors opened the gates of the Gulag, they allowed 3 million inmates to return home. When the Allies liberated the Nazi death camps, they found thousands of human skeletons barely alive awaiting what they knew to be inevitable execution.
I sourced these quotes from Wikipedia: "The Black Book of Communism", references 19 and 14.
My point isn't to say the Soviet Union, or other states which had or have Marxist-Leninist governments are without critique, but that comparing them to the III Reich, at the very least diminishes the crimes committed by Nazis and makes analysis of the aforementioned States more muddy.
I am kinda skeptical as zig has admitted to using sockpuppets and retracted their statement which doesn't sit well with me.
Fuck I had no idea, why can't we just have nice things.
Hah I'm in that screenshot. I just caught my second ban for suggesting that mass deportation of children might qualify as genocide.
It's infuriating, because if you talk to actual survivors of genocide, they use words like "vigilance" and "never again." Meanwhile, tankies literally just want to gatekeep the word to protect their ability to simp for tyrants.
Power to you. I feel like whenever I say anything trying to inject some form of "genocide is bad" into one of their conversations, I get about 20 comments telling me I'm a shitty person for saying that. Or like, a copy and pasted book that they want me to read and then I'll understand why genocide is "justified."
It's fucked.
So yeah, thanks for your effort, you aren't alone 😅
They don't seem to understand that genocide, as a term, does not exclusively mean a violent purge nor Holocaust. The erasure of a group of people can happen with minimal violence too.
It's hardly surprising though, considering the USSR regularly practiced genocide with "Russification". This wasn't so much the violent kind, but more trying to erase a people's culture and make them assimilate into Russia's.
To tankies, that's not genocide, even though it is erasing a culture to impose your own.
Your removed post does talk about genocide, but it also talks shit about Hexbear users. Which I get, I won't join instances that federate with them, but it's not exactly comporting with their Rule 2 of "Be respectful, especially when disagreeing. Everyone should feel welcome here."
Like to some extent yeah, tankies kind of provoke it because apologia for oppressive regimes actively invading their neighbors is itself offensive, but you're conveniently spinning this to be about genocide rather than the aspect of the comment that would run risks of removal in most communities trying to not foster flame wars. And since you've been banned before, it's hard to believe this isn't your first time doing it.
Always has been.
It's one of the reasons why lemmy never really took off until the great reddit migration despite having a decent software product.
Curious to see how this develops
tankies + fedidrama = classic lemmy
This is where I learned the word tankies. It sounds like British slang honestly.
Think that's where it started actually.
In typical internet fashion, rather than read these mod logs and decide who was right, I'm just going to say "down with the CCP" a bunch of times there and see if I get banned.
The creators are known to lean towards tankie rhetotic and I‘ve read they chose .ml because of Marx and Lenin before. That rose concerns from the beginning so it‘s hardly surprising a moderator there would do this. It is very concerning nonetheless and threatens to throw the creators‘ work into jeopardy because at that point you might as well use twixxer or whatever it‘s called now.
I had no idea what a tankie was until I read the comments here.
I can't Ctrl+F on my phone, can you tell me?
People who support fascist governments - specifically, Russia, China, North korea.
They will also rightly say things about how America does bad things too. And that is true. It's ok to admit that.
They, on the other hand, will never admit that Russia or China is ever doing something unethical or wrong.
Just read the Wikipedia page. Don't listen to people pushing their Joseph McCarthy-"esque" views.
Lemmy's been known for them for years.
This is great news. It's their way if encouraging you to swap instances! You shouldn't stay on the main popular instance, it defeats the entire point of decentralization.
Fascists aren't morally healthy humans. Authoritarians can't cope with social reality, where different people can have different opinions and loyalties and yet support each other. They always seem to end up succumbing to patriarchal cults, where Lenin-Hitler-Mao-Trump gets to do whatever he wants to your sons and your daughters, and you and your working class have no recourse.
Remember children, anything authoritarian (especially when talking about the left) is now "fascist." This totally isn't a maneuver in the right-wing fascist playbook to water down the term "fascist" to push for greater acceptance in the idea of fascism in the general public that we're seeing today.
Dude, you're just as transparent as you are shallow.
You’re acting like this is a right wing play, but the tactic of using fascism as an insult toward left wing parties actually has precedent even within left wing politics. Before world war 2, even.
Replying to everyone's comments, comment history stalking, being a tankie, bro, literally go touch grass.
From my experience it was the leftists who started to call everybody and their mother fascist.
So there could be no different outcome from this.
What’s the problem here?
All the stuff is listed as rule 1 and rule 2 and they seem to fit the description even without the helpful context.
There’s one ban evasion in there too.
Sounds like the Marxist mod is doing a good job.
A Marxist is the only thing that can defeat a Tankie.
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In my country we have antifa for antifascists. Are you here some kind of anti-tankies? Because I see far, far more posts about antitankies fighting supposed tankies than I see people fighting fascists.
Tankies wpuld literally support the reincarnation of hitler if he said "america bad" they worship genocidal dictators on the sole grounds they oppose America. They hold literally no leftists values. They just like authority
In the US, antifa vs. fascists is the actual conflict bubbling up in real life. Only online do people care about tankies. They're a test for moderation and decentralization so people can keep them from being disruptive, not a real concern for freedom of expression. Critical support for Russia's invasion (or disruption of support for Ukraine) is way more likely to come from the alt-right fascists than pseudo-left online tankies.
it's probably because most instances have defederated with 'tankie' instances like lemmygrad or hexbear, so all you really see is ragebait screenshots of tankies saying stupid things. although most of these posts seem to be coming from one user
That's because we're on .world and the main tankie instances are blocked. OP is talking about leaks into other instances. It's a bad faith argument. Fuck tankies.
Boo!
Tankies ARE fascists! Like all communists.
Never thought the official lemmy instance itself would have to be part of a temporary defed
The creator kept a low profile during the reddit emigration. And since there were posts and comments about China, CCP and Jinping too. I thought it will be fine 👀
Ofcourse it's a Makima pfp
Yeah, it's hard to come up with a more tone-deaf or ironic character to pick.
Go to !worldnews@lemmy.world for less censorship
Their "anti-Orientalism" (read as pro-tankie) policy has been known for a good while.
Hang on what. Could you expand on this?
Sure, there was a post back in June posted in !worldnews@lemmy.ml about a dam in Ukraine being destroyed. Obviously a contentious topic. There were several threads speaking poorly of Russia and its administration, many such threads were deleted and users banned, with "Orientalism" typically cited as the reason in the modlog.
It's the admins' right to dictate what is or isn't acceptable. Generally they are hands off on most topics, but Anti-Russia, anti-China sentiment is looked down upon by admins and often removed/banned within lemmy.ml. Just saying that this choice of new moderator doesn't change their moderation philosophy, it only complements it.
Meanwhile dbzer0 is still federated to Hexbear, despite having a strict "no tankie" policy.
OOTL what are tankies?
Just a slur that the right uses against real leftists rather than larping liberals.
Red Fascists, basically.
They only want authoritarianism and violence. Check out meanwhileongrad for examples of their extremism, which is fully supported by the developers of lemmy.
The problem is that lemmy.ml is the front page of the lemmy project, and I knew that dessalines are politically leftist.
Since reddit emigration to lemmy, the guy keeping a low profile and there were posts and comments about China, CCP and Jinping but they were not deleted. And there are c/technology and c/privacy communities on lemmy.ml, someone might post high-tech surveillance over activists or Uyghurs.
And this move doesn't look good for the lemmy project itself.
Created my first account on Lemmy there before I know what the admins were like.
Just deleted that account.
The Lemmy devs are tankies so of course the instance the devs run is gonna follow tankie ideology
I was initially sus of lemmy.ml since they defederated from nsfw instances
Is this a mod or modteam of a few communities, or is it a global mod outside of community mods?
I'm not shure how to read the modlog.
Currently only on world news lemmy.ml
I unsubscribed from world news on lemmy.ml as soon as I heard about them being tankies. Lemmy.world has the same community with mostly the same posts anyway.
Too bad It's impossibe too see wich mod is doing what.
It could be a general lemmy.ml policy, it could allso just be that the first worldnews mod is opiniated , and chose his own modteam for worldnews.
So what's the problem? It's a ban-happy three-person mod team shaping a community. There are other communities with the same explicit subject. When a community's mods move it in a direction you don't like, you join or make a different one, and the nature of Lemmy means they haven't even camped an important community name.
It's not even a particularly tankie sub, there're posts calling Russia warmongers still up and at +82. Seems like most of the removals were posts trying to pick fights. And while tankie bashing is often fun and warranted, it's not really extreme censorship to say that's breaking a rule saying "everyone should feel welcome here".
I’m not shure how to read the modlog.
This way, I just found out I've been banned on lemmy.ml for this comment which surely is snarky, and technically disrespectful. They did not ban Krause (parent comment). So I guess spreading lies is fine as long as you do it "respectfully". Speaking up to that gets you banned.
Yea, that's just a proper response to the parent post. Now I agree that lemmy.ml is an instance to avoid.
My ban shown on the screenshot is a site ban
Well, it seems to me that all of the removed posts seem to be accompanied by valid reasons as to why they were removed. Maybe it would help if people read the actual posts/post titles that were removed instead of bandwagoning on dumping on lemmy.ml.
dumping on lemmy.ml
I just had an idea call the dump-tank where we troll tankies and post their retorts and laugh at them.
Lemmy seems to have drifted to the fringes of the spectrum politically over time.
"Cake day: July 27th, 2023"
I never had a reddit account but joined lemmy when I heard the commotion and liked what I saw. Although I've never had a reddit account, I have lurked there, and you and many others here remind me of the typical reddit users who basically think the left begins and ends with the US democratic party and anything outside of that is "fringe".
Lemmy was always on the fringe. The founders are literal hardcore unironic "China did nothing wrong" communist tankies.
Oh fuck thats on lemmy, i thought it was reddit.
We gotta fix that, of course when a discussion gets out of control/racist we ought to lock it, maybe a warning and disclaimer. but i see no justification for fully removing these.
Which specific communities on lemmy.ml are you referring to?
Sorry to say that it always was authoritarian. Lemmy was created for authoritarian tankies and bigots to spout their hatred.
Originally written by EnglishMobster@lemmy.world
See their post announcing Lemmy: https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/cqgztr/fuck_the_white_supremacist_reddit_admins_want_me/
Hey all, longtime Marxist-leninist, recorder of left audiobooks, and megathread shitposter here.
Posting this in light of a recent one week Reddit ban I earned for shitting on US police, as I'm sure many of us have gotten in recent weeks.
So I've spent the past few months working on a self hostable, federated, Reddit alternative called Lemmy, and it's pretty much ready to go. Unlike here we'd have ultimate control over all content, and would never have to self censor.
Obviously as communists, we agitate where the people are, so we should never abandon Reddit entirely, but it's been clear to all of us from day one, that communities like this stand on unsteady ground, and could be banned or quarantined at any moment by the white supremacist Reddit admins. This would be both a backup and a potentially better alternative. Moderation abilities are there, as well as a slur filter.
Raddle isn't an option obviously since it's run by this arch anti tankie scum, ziq.
I wanted to ask ppl here if they'd like me to host an instance, and mod all the current mods here.
The instance that post mentions at the end became Lemmygrad. Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad are the same people, and the creators of Lemmy hosted Lemmygrad (and are thus admins there).
This was their first post announcing Lemmy as a real thing you could go use. (It's also why a good chunk of the Threadiverse is absolutely infested with tankies.)
Feel free to check out meanwhileongrad for countless examples of this hateful content--fully encouraged and even repeated by the developers of lemmy themselves.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
tldr: went to a to a pro-A community and post anti-A comments and got banned. Why is this so. I just want to populate the small communities on Lemmy.
What do you expect. I imagine, if some pro-commies go to and provoke the pro-Ukraine communities, they'll also easily get banned. What do you expect? READ THE Room. Proceed with caution.
To be clear, I agree with lemmy.ml on this, but I'm not interested in arguing that stance.
Instead, I think the more important piece of this is that this just further validates the fact that people should be using smaller instances. A more diverse set of Lemmy instances allows defederation to be used more freely as an actual moderation tool.
Someone who posts something an admin on another instance dislikes may see themselves banned from appearing on that instance, which when you have just two or three large instances serving all the content, is an effective shadowban on 1/3rd of the platform. More smaller instances minimizes the impact of defederation, banning, etc.
Anyways, stop only using lemmy.ml, lemmy.world, kbin.social, and lemmy.ee. It's fine to start out there, but find a niche and an instance that fits that niche, then move over there. If you're making a community, consider putting it on a smaller niche instance that would more specifically fit your content and federating it to the bigger instances manually.
We're all power users in here, so it's not as if it's a big deal to move, though apparently 0.19 will have some tooling to assist in that.
The problem is that smaller communities have less content. Yes, they federate with larger communities, but they only pull data every so often. My first fediverse account was on kbin but the fact that it's so difficult to have active conversations there (plus the hard coded invisible porn filter) made migrate to lemmy.
People who crave activity will naturally centralize.
I'm not surprise by this. Seeing how Lemmy has a hard coded wordfilter specifically to discourage "right-wingers" from using it. They did remove it. But still, it's not a good look.
From the first link:
Edit: This comment was written [in 2020] at a time when Lemmy the software was practically identical with the lemmy.ml instance. At that time we barely had any moderation tools, so it was an easy way to keep some groups of users off the instance. Now its different, there are good mod tools, and many different instances. So we removed the slur filter in Lemmy 0.14.0 (instance admins can optionally configure one, which lemmy.ml does).
So basically some developers working on a pet project took a shortcut at a time when other features were being prioritized. Let's not make this particular item out to be more than it is. I think it serves the conversation better to focus on what the post is about which is widespread bans on certain content.
They hardcoded it because there were no mod tools back then, and the repo was basically lemmy.ml.
I don't think we should look at this anymore.
How is it "not a good look" to not want bigoted scum like yourself to use the platform they developed?
ooo yeah such a bad look when we can't say slurs, that is what freeze peach is all about!! Not a very welcoming environment for cishet white dudes, the main characters of the world
Who cares?
Answer: no one!
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Looks that way, and who cares?
Those of us who want to freely discuss geopolitics without fear of getting banned care.
There are multiple world politics communities and multiple other news/politics communities that also discuss world politics. One community going ban happy is irrelevant.
Lmao the blue haired people back at it again. Take your meds schizo.
Ironic.