These are the privacy permissions that you grant for Meta's new twitter competitor
These are the privacy permissions that you grant for Meta's new twitter competitor
Yikes.
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“Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard
Zuck: Just ask.
Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS
[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?
Zuck: People just submitted it.
Zuck: I don't know why.
Zuck: They "trust me"
Zuck: Dumb fucks.“
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How the fuck did Harvard students act so stupid and give out their info like that? I thought they were like the smartest people in the US. 🤔
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This is still I think the most telling glimpse into who the "ZUCK" really is. Looking at what meta has become, how it has operated... No matter how professional and respectable he acts.
This is who he really is.
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I don't it's a fair assessment - dude was just a kid.
I've watched some podcasts and interviews and I think he's a much more complex of a person. I do genuinely think he's thinks he's doing good and I do think that Meta stuff is a net benefit to the humanity.
Even if you hate Facebook it brought people together in so many places, especially if you consider developing world.
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Woah! How is this real?
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This is a reminder to lemmy users, that this new meta expriement will use the ActivityPub protocol, meaning that it can interact with other lemmy instances, please urge your lemmy instance admins to de-federate from this crap as soon as it launches!
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But why? Isn't the whole point of federation that we can interact with people in other communities? Don't we want these big platforms to adopt ActivityPub? Completely walling them off seems counterproductive
Not defending Meta, just curious
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there is a very good chance that this project by meta is the thin end of the wedge
(edited to include "the blogpost", link here)
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Don't we want these big platforms to adopt ActivityPub?
No. We don't. The more hands they have in the fediverse pie, the more influence they have over it. The more influence they have, the more control. The more control, the more at the whim of their decisions you are. The more at the whim of their decisions, the more power they have over you.
This should be common sense at this point.
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Don’t we want these big platforms to adopt ActivityPub?
I certainly don't. I abandoned Facebook years ago because of how BS they were getting with privacy concerns and social manipulation. Last thing I want is to bring those dumpster fires here. They join the platform, I will migrate to whichever Instances defed them or leave Lemmy entirely if necessary. Simply put, it's been a breathe of rational, civil air here. While it is early days keeping that hostile-to-humanity crap out of here is obvious minimum we should be doing.
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Were talking about meta here, this is a bait and switch attempt (I see it that way)
They launch their new twitter competitor, everyone moves over to their new twitter clone, they will try and hold the power on standarts of federation (like any big tech corporation that has a smaller rival that succedes more then them, see microsoft vs netscape for refrence)
If they will fail with that, they will try to seduce lemmy and mastodon instaces with monetization and big money handouts, were talking about facebook here after all, they are not short of scummy tactics
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If they can embrace and extend the fediverse you know they're gonna extinguish it, too. They're s bad faith actor, we don't want them interacting with us or influencing us.
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Don't we want these big platforms to adopt ActivityPub?
No. We don't. The more hands they have in the fediverse pie, the more influence they have over it. The more influence they have, the more control. The more control, the more at the whim of their decisions you are. The more at the whim of their decisions, the more power they have over you.
This should be common sense at this point.
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I'm don't know how the federation protocol works exactly, but I'm pretty sure Meta can throw more resources into it than all the independent instances combined. Again, I don't know anything about the specifics of the fediverse so I don't know if that applies here, but generally once you control more than 50% of something that does not have a central authority - you became, de facto, that central authority.
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We want individuals to adopt ActivityPub. Whether that be in the form of hosting new instances or contributing content. We don't want corporations here trying to turn it into something they can use to make a profit. Once it becomes about the money it is on a death spiral like everything else before it.
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What decade are you from, dude?
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Another really big concern I have is that activity pub by definition shares all your posts with any instance that hosts your followers. So if you have a mastodon follower on FB’s activity pub/twitter replica, FB automatically gets your data even though you don’t use it
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Another really big concern I have is that activity pub by definition shares all your posts with any instance that hosts your followers. So if you have a mastodon follower on FB’s activity pub/twitter replica, FB automatically gets your data even though you don’t use it
The type of things they get are
- Your profile
- Whatever you post
- Who interacts with your posts
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but homeboy wanting to open the fediverse to Meta really still out here like "oh, there's nothing malicious here, not at all; water's fine"
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The last thing we need is meta clawing their way around the fediverse, id rather have them stick to their own bullshit
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Data this app collects: yes.
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"other data"
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Honestly, anyone who willingly uses any Facebook product at this point in time deserves to have their every morsel of data stolen and sold to the highest bidder.
If you sleep with dogs, you wake up with fleas.
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If we're going to cast the Zuck as a sci-fi android, I'd put him as closer to Isaac (The Orville) than Data.
He may want to consume data about human interactions, but you know he's going to pepper any conversation with the phrase "inferior biologicals."
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There he stood... Between us and the alley. Zuck Farkus staring out at us with his yellow eyes. He had yellow eyes! So help me God, yellow eyes!
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Bro looks like he got long covid
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jUsT gIvE mETa A cHAnCe iN tHe fEdIVeRsE DuRRrrpH
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Meta rolling into the fediverse like the martians in Mars Attacks.
“Don’t run! We’re you’re your friends!”
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I have heard this in Zucc’s voice and it still made total sense.
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That's it, now we're gonna have to break out the Slim Whitman!
(cues Indian Love Call)
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Yeah, he's a big fan of access. May as well just make an extra category marked "everything".
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That's the reason they wanted to make their own phone. They wanted it all
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I believe he actually genuinely does. Want it all. Eventually. Hence the heavy pivot into VR and AR years before its actually practical.
Nobody can dethrone google as the gateway guardians to the internet or apple as the almighty hardware lords, but you can beat them to the next thing, whatever that is.
If you want to be the worlds most powerful company, you gotta aim high.
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Pretty sure that's the "sensitive information." Seriously, look at the other categories and tell me what's left.
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Isn't that just...everything?
Like is there anything they aren't requesting?
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The user interface to display what is granted by using the app is... so sanitary. It disguises the ultimate goal of these insidious apps in such a clean and sterile list that it really seems innocuous. I wish that A$pple would start to display an intensity of how much data is collected by these apps. Green for good, red for bad, gradient for in-between. Or something... I suppose that accessibility for colorblind is important oto. Then it would be a bit more obvious to users when an app is really out to get them vs trying to improve performance.
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How clean your bedroom is.
For now, anyway.
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Don't forget to report it inside Play Store. All of these permissions are not required, thus the app is breaking store rules.
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Instagram has all the same stuff and it’s been there for years. Bet it’s also the case with Facebook
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It’s meta. Unfortunately I’m sure their lawyers can come up with dumb bullshit excuses for every one of these.
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They're not permissions, they're the types of data that may be collected. Every popular closed source app has a similar obscene list of private data they may collect, but in most cases it's the user that chooses to provide that kind of information voluntarily anyways.
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What do you mean its not requierd, but then how will meta sell your data and make billions?/s
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I run a pair of PiHole instances for DNS on my home network, and I periodically check the logs and look up blocked domains that I don't recognize. Every single time, it's a service that provides telemetry for mobile apps. It's insane how much data apps try to collect.
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I've got an adblocker app running on a local VPN on my phone 24/7 specifically for this reason. I even managed to install the same app on my Fire TV.
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I tried something similar for a while. I had an OpenVPN server set up at home and would connect with my phone, so all my phone's traffic was behind the same protections as my home network. The main issue I experienced was when going through areas without cell service (which happens frequently where I live). I would have to restart my VPN client in addition to any apps that required internet connectivity. Not the safest prospect when you're streaming music and doing 70mph down the highway.
At this point, I don't have anything to protect my phone's traffic when I'm away from home. However, essentially every app on my phone is a FOSS package, so I think the biggest risk to data privacy is probably Google.
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I'm asking myself how people can accept these conditions. There is a huge work of education on privacy to be done.
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There should be some sort of OS-level flag that appears before downloading to inform users along the lines of "This application requests access to more permissions than typical apps in this category do. Are you sure you wish to proceed?" Maybe with a link to an informational site about how apps can use your data and why protecting your privacy is important.
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At this point we should really be petitioning Congress. Yeah, I know, I know, but still.
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Whilst that would be fantastic. I highly doubt google or apple are even going to entertain the idea, especially when you want to download one of their apps.
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The Aurora Store for Android has this warning. I steer people I care about to Aurora Store for this reason.
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I think what people need are clear examples, concisely expressed, of the explicit harm experienced by forgoing a certain quanta of privacy, since the benefits are apparent (eg gain access to a certain service/community/etc).
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I bet they said something like "we don't use most of that information, we just need access in case we add a new feature in the future that uses it". And then it'll come out that they've always been using it, and it's been associated with your identifying info. And then their server will be hacked (because the admin password was "meta123") and the all the info will leak. The modern internet sucks.
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They tried to use the same excuse with their privacy policy for oculus. ie they can even watch the cameras if they want but they promise they won't.....
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pinky promise
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We need massive punitive fines for misusing data farming. Data leaks of health and financial information should literally put billion dollar businesses out of business for good.
If they can't manage the data they don't deserve it, full stop.
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Well if you download a Facebook owned app you should expect this.
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I feel like they just went down the list of permissions and said yes to everything, they probally actually log it all too, disgusting
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Why do all of Zucc companies terms and conditions have this air of desperation and grubbiness about them? 😂
No other services feel as slimy even though they're all doing mostly the same things.
Meta feels like you're interacting with a drug addicted stalker following you home
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Seriously. Why does the Oculus app have to run in the background always using 2-3% of my cpu? They say it's to automatically start up when you connect the Rift but that should take like 0 resources. Can't even turn it off in startup options. You have to go into system tray or something to stop it. Facebook is just a spyware company and we all know it.
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The Oculus desktop app is a bloated mess. I wish it was just a tray tool that provided what's necessary to connect Oculus Link and use PCVR apps. Instead it pops up a bloody window every time with zombies and what not and does not even allow you to minimize it to the tray.
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Because they are desperate. Facebook has NEVER had any good original product ideas. Ever. Everything they've ever done was brought/stolen from somebody else, including Facebook. All the good things Facebook did are their open source stuff like React and GraphQL, which they don't really make money off.
So now, they are running out of ideas to steal/buy, they probably wanted to buy TikTok with Trump's help, but that failed, and they started a TikTok clone in Instagram Reels, that also failed, so they are trying to start a Twitter clone. No original ideas, EVER. It's as simple as that.
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Do not trust apps like this. Facebook mined this shit without any warning originally.
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It's gratifying seeing this because usually when I see these kinds of worrying data permissions it's because a service I really want or need is being held hostage until I agree to this false choice and I have to start figuring out whether there's some way around this or if I'm going to have to embarrassingly explain to someone why I can't use this service they expected me to sign up to.
But then I see this and it's for something I'd never want to sign up to anyway and it's just like a list of dodged bullets. 😎 So nice to just laugh at their bullshit.
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Fuck off Zuck you fucking weirdo
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so what is the difference from Spyware and meta's services
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Nothing. As is the case with most social media companies, you are the product. And they do that by spying on you. Same with many other "free" services like, YouTube, email, maps, etc.
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well that's make my cybersecurity lesson about spyware irrelevant in this environment, because every Free services are leeches for our information. but the justification for including spyware is where the data is going, and yet again very irrelevant.
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What "Other Data"?! Want my fuckin horoscope Zuck? How about the results of my last rectal exam? fuckin hell
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What I want to know is why Apple even have some of this data to give them?
Like Purchase History, shouldn't that be between me and the retailer, why do Meta need it?
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Purchase history would just be what apple knows, not your general purchase history.
If you use Apple Pay, for instance, they're the middleman and have to know, and anything you buy on the App Store.
A legitimate reason to share that is a budgeting app. Facebook is taking advantage of that, obviously, but in this instance, I see no fault from apple, here, there's reason to allow an app to get that, so an app can request it, and we can deny it by not getting that app, so fuck Facebook, I'm not downloading it.
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Apple stores and sells anything they can
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They need to know your blood type, for reasons....
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If the general public was just aware of how much privacy they lose by downloading these apps, companies like Meta would never be able to get away with stuff like this.
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I doubt it. Most of the time when I point out to someone just how much data they're giving up the response is just "so what if a chinese person knows about me"
Privacy for its own sake has lost value with the younger generations. What we really need to do is educate on the consequences and dangers of the lack of privacy.
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It hasn't lost its value. Privacy is still important to them as it always was. It's just been distorted a bit.
Anytime someone acts flippant about privacy, ask them to unlock their phone and hand it to you. Look through all of their messages, emails, photos, etc. See how quickly privacy matters. Tell them to shower with the door open or go to the bathroom while you watch.
Tell them you'll accompany them to their doc appointments.
People want privacy. People need it.
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Potential hot take-- am in my 30s so I dont know if I qualify in your younger generation denotation or not.
I was raised with the thought process of 'act as if you are always on camera' to get me to act right. As I aged, it was amended to 'act as if you are always on camera... because you are.'
Both statements were and remain to be correct. That said, I think there is something to be said about the expectation (or lack thereof) of privacy that the younger generations were raised either in or to know.
I don't think that privacy has lost value through its own or the younger generation's volitions. I think it lost value through... everybody always being watched in one way or another.
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It hasn't lost its value. Privacy is still important to them as it always was. It's just been distorted a bit.
Anytime someone acts flippant about privacy, ask them to unlock their phone and hand it to you. Look through all of their messages, emails, photos, etc. See how quickly privacy matters. Tell them to shower with the door open or go to the bathroom while you watch.
Tell them you'll accompany them to their doc appointments.
People want privacy. People need it.
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This is why it's so completely insane that politicians are on Twitter.
People who are in positions where they could be black mailed should be more careful with the data they give out.
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Why does Zuck want to know the browser histories of people on the internet? 😳
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I mean they already have a bunch of it. You know those social media buttons that could be embedded on a website. Their purpose wasn't to like or share. It was to track you by phoning home.
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That's like, the biggest goldmine ever, and right now Google has all of it.
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That's a big nope from me lmao. Mastadon seems to have alot of the important accounts I follow from Twitter. Liking it so far, no algorithm playing with your feed, no corporate advertising (unless you subscribe to it), no blue checks spreading insane conspiracies.
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I’d love for this to be true for me (if only to use ivory) but the only things I manage to find are mirrored Twitter accounts, which I assume aren’t forever.
Did you just manually look for the things you cared about?
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Yes. I've searched manually for most of mine based on my people i follow on Twitter, they are not all there, and they will be missed. I've got a few mirrored accounts I'm following, but it's not the end of the world if they get cut off from the blue bird (they are mostly sports team feeds). I have also gone back to RSS feeds for my news feed. I like the social aspect of Twitter, it's just turned into a hate platform that scientifically exploits its users by making it addicting to doom scroll. And the interactions I've had on Mastadon/Lemmy are way more wholesome than there, fediverse really does remind me of the early days of Digg/Reddit/Twitter.
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It's missing something first born son I think.
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Are people really going to sign up for another Meta site? I'm sure as shit not. I finally deleted my Facebook account a couple weeks back, and I'm feelin' free!
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I assume you wouldn't need to sign up. If you already have a FB or Instagram account, you would just be able to log in directly
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I only have a Facebook so I can save data on games that don't accept google. That and so I can download my dad's posts to send to friends, but i just based it off one of my ocs so it's not even me on there
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So just everything then.
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Quite literally. What would "Other Data" even be, your inner thoughts?
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Almost, probably biometrics and passive camera/mic usage
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Quite literally. What would “Other Data” even be, your inner thoughts?
They wanna know when I have a piss. Damn it, that's a trade secret!
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Well, that's a big nope....
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I've said it here before and I will say it again: Facebook and Google's entire approach to ads from data is based on an incorrect assumption of using enough data to build a profile on a person to predict what they are going to be interested in, when if you stop and think about it, it doesn't make any sense: people's needs will always change with circumstances at the time, ex. no amount of data in the world will help you predict whether I'll want a burger or Thai food for lunch tomorrow even if you do the digital equivalent of creeping on me outside my window and digging through my trash can. If you want to know what people want to buy, why not ask them?
Unfortunately, they've deluded themselves for more than a decade with the lie, so now the rest of the world also think that internet ads by them actually works.
I'm not going to rag too hard on Facebook here because most thing has been said by others already, but I will say that since literally every single one of their social media product took the same approach of maximize data to sell things, why is it that they are all losing people and their most successful place at selling things is actually Facebook Marketplace?
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Don't allow Zuck and the billionaire anti-democracy tech bros into Federation.
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why does need health and fitness? does not make sense but is excessively harvesting data
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More information = more accurately targeted advertising
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Insurance companies are thirst for that info.
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Their justification will be some hokey crap that they can tell whether your active from your movement, which they can detect using the health/fitness via step counts etc.
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This. We're all bashing on reddit but the reason why I went to reddit and then here was to take a break from meta-owned social media. They don't only take and sell our data, they also exploit small businesses and creatives by making them pay or post several times a day for "visibility" (translation: not to be shadowbanned) without providing anything back.
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Not defending this, but isn't this basically also what Instagram (and every other mainstream social media app) takes? Doesn't make it right obviously but considering 99% of users for this thing are coming from Instagram/Facebook in the first place Meta already knows everything about them anyway.
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so basically everything they can get from you?
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If you have instagram installed you almost certainly already grant all of this.
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instander for android
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oh wow - didn't even know that exists
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Didnt know this was a thing, thank you very much
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On android you can take away all permissions though and it still works fortunately. On my phone i didn't give it one single permission. Or is there some way to gather sensitive data anyway for the app?
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I don't think these are permissions, just a list of collected data categories. Google Play's equivalent is the "Data Safety" section and lists the data collected, shared with third parties, and security practices in use. Basically just a more readable privacy policy, but agreeing to that by installing the app does not grant the app with the equivalent permissions automatically.
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There's some fediverse Instagram clone instances known as pixelfied and plemora, check out fediverse.info
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Click on “see details” link and scroll endlessly through it all.
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Is there anything left where they don’t want any permission? Ooof
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What the hell is “sensitive info”
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https://developer.apple.com/app-store/app-privacy-details/
"Such as racial or ethnic data, sexual orientation, pregnancy or childbirth information, disability, religious or philosophical beliefs, trade union membership, political opinion, genetic information, or biometric data"
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Knowing Zuck, it probably includes access to your medical history.
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Wants to know your blood type.
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Whatever it is, it sounds sinister AF
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This is why I ditched Facebook many years ago. The first time they started to change their TOS and privacy stuff I noped out.
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Can anyone explain how these are different from the data Meta already collects from its Facebook, Instagram, and Messenger users? I've been slowly moving my online presence away from Meta products, but I feel like Threads isn't going to do much better than BlueSky, or Hive, or Post, or even our beloved Mastodon.
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