Russia dismisses Ukraine peace plan: ‘Let’s decide it on the battlefield’
Russia dismisses Ukraine peace plan: ‘Let’s decide it on the battlefield’
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Russia dismisses Ukraine peace plan: ‘Let’s decide it on the battlefield’
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Let's move the battlefield out of Ukraine and into Russia then.
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Why would Ukraine want to take Russian land?
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Not necessarily take, but a demilitarized zone might make sense, and that has to be put somewhere.
Like prevent troops amassing in "peaceful exercise" so they cannot surprise invade again.
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Zelensky already said that Ukraine is willing to exchange Belgorod for NATO membership.
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But remember, it's the rest of the world that's warmongering! Also up is down!
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"The rest of the world"
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time to remind people that zelensky made having peace negotiations with putin ILLEGAL
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has formally ruled out talks with Russia after it illegally declared four Ukrainian regions to be part of Russia.
Zelensky’s decree released Tuesday declares that holding negotiations with Russian President Vladimir Putin has become impossible after his decision to annex four regions of Ukraine. The decree also approves the decision of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council to strengthen Ukrainian defenses and seek more weapons from the country’s Western allies in response to Moscow’s move.
Ah so "has become impossible" is now "has been made illegal". Tankie text comprehension, I presume.
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time to remind people that zelensky made having peace negotiations with putin ILLEGAL
Can you quote the part of the article which made you think so? I don't see the article saying what you claim it says.
A reminder from the KidsPost team: Our stories are geared to 7- to 13-year-olds.
It's alright if you are younger than that. Otherwise, I think all you achieved is reminding people how dishonest and untrustworthy lemmygrad users can be. You would have helped your cause more had you not made that comment.
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This is the end of this thread. There's no comeback to this.
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"Russia’s upper house of parliament on Tuesday voted to support the treaties that make the Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions of Ukraine part of Russia."
Неужели так трудно понять чтение, товарищ?
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Tankies gonna tank. @Krause please go fuck yourself somewhere else.
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Get back under your stone on lemmygrad
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Yea they are.
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Come on, not even zelensky had any hope they would accept this peace plan. They're basically asking Russia to stop the war and give back all the territory they occupied. The Ukrainian counter offensive stopped at a brick wall, the Russians have no reason at all to do this.
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Pretty crumbly and porous brick wall, there. And they apparently neglected to build it around Sevastopol.
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They didn’t have any hope because Putin is a warmonger. Any “peace plan” that Russia would find acceptable would just delay the inevitable and give Russia time to build back up, they’ve already shown their cards. Russia needs to give up on its territorial aspirations and give back what it’s stolen. Russia could’ve held onto Crimea even had it just not invaded Ukraine, the rest of the world had basically turned a blind eye to it (it wasn’t right, but that was the reality), instead they get to watch their military turn to dust, just like Putin will be doing within a decade.
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The counteroffensive is moving forward slowly because the Russians put a ton of mines and trenches in the way. Plus they committed their best troops to stopping it. Still Ukraine is slowly moving forward in the south.
I wouldn't want to be there right now on either side. But basically the Ukrainians are winning because their artillery is better. Once Ukraine moves their artillery within range of the highway along the Sea of Azov, the troops protecting Crimea will have their supplies threatened. This is the general plan and they're getting closer.
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They’re basically asking Russia to stop the war and give back all the territory they occupied.
Yes.
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I mean, if Putin doesn't want to die, he can always gobtje fuck home. I mean he can still suck a bag of dicks and then choke on them.
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Somehow I doubt that Russia will accept the outcome of the battlefield.
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That's because you don't understand what the outcome on the battlefield will be, but you'll see soon enough.
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I'm not saying it's not going to happen but Russia would have to attack NATO first.
No one wants to attack a nuclear power if they don't have to.
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it would only be forthcoming.
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We want housing in the EU, not fucking explosives.
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But if they blow up every house, there'll plenty of housing to be built later on by EU companies. That's basically the same thing, right? That's what the citizens want, right?
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If only political leader would still take their sword and fight each other on the battlefield instead of letting the armies fight for those old geezers.
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Even back in those days, the leaders rarely put themselves in any danger
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I would love to see Putin try to lift a sword against Zelensky
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dym the ex-KGB and military guy vs the literal comedian that played piano with his dick on TV? Do you really think Zelensky would win this?
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“Our future is being shaped by a struggle, a struggle between the global majority in favor of a fairer distribution of global benefits and civilized diversity and between the few who wield neocolonial methods of subjugation in order to maintain their domination which is slipping through their hands,” he said.
I mean, he's not factually wrong, just framing it in reverse. Russia is indeed trying to colonize Ukraine to maintain their dominion which is slipping through their hands. It's just not using neocolonial methods but good old armed conquest.
And the people in favor of a fairer distribution of global benefits aren't the people he's thinking of. I mean it's also clearly not the US, but "taking what Ukraine has and giving it to Russian Oligarchs" is also not a fairer distribution.
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You know what they say about the right: every accusation is a confession.
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These guys might be the most self-aware wolves to have ever wolfed
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They also seem to be having their faces eaten by leopards, for some reason.
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What's the difference between Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs?
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Even IF ukrainian oligarchs were a problem...
Ukrainian oligarchs can get at ukrainian money without waging a war of aggression that causes nearly 30thousand civilian casualties.
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As of right now? Armed military conquest and homophobic conspiracy theories.
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Oh hey, remind us what this "peace plan" is exactly?
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Caps on Russian oil price, restoration of original Ukraine borders, prosecution of Russian "war criminals"
It's what you'd expect from a country that's completely winning the war and not stuck in a stalemate while losing support
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Caps on Russian oil price
Remember when people still believed this would work? lol
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is it really a stalemate though? Russia is just letting Ukraine destroy itself basically..
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Yeah, it's what you'd expect from a country that's winning the war, and Ukraine is not winning the war while rapidly losing support as pretty much all western media admits now. A few recent examples for you:
- https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/08/the-hard-reality-ukraines-last-gasp-offensive-has-failed/
- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/23/western-criticism-blame-ukraine-failing-counter-offensive/
- https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-poland-central-europe-eastern-kyiv-baltics-zelenskyy-war-invasion/
- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-21/ukraine-zelenskiy-under-pressure-as-allies-priorities-shift
- https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-09-24/ukraine-offensive-against-russia-is-too-slow-for-us-uk-and-eu
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Basically unconditional surrender of Russia.
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Honestly It's funny when you mention to libs that Ukraine itself has made law which forbids itself from negotiating with Russia. But russia is the unreasonable one?
And the goal of regime change in russia is particularly funny, like not even fully leaving ukraine are they satisfied with this. So the idea that peace can be obtained is for russia to leave, yet the ukranians themselves don't even want this. Delusional people who are miserably failing this war.
(P.S. For you chuds and libs who are banned from lemmygrad, I cannot see your message, Real shame, and I cannot be bothered logging on to your alt-right platforms to engage with these illuminating comments).
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a view taking hold among Ukraine’s allies that the war is likely to go on for years
That's been obvious since 2014, and since the full invasion of last year.
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Alright Lavrov, grab a gun and get moving.
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If any people deciding to go to wars had to really put their asses on the front lines the world would definitely be a peaceful place.
But as always, in both sides, only the poor working class is dying on the front line.
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The battlefield isn't even being faught on the Ukrainian side using the most cutting edge of Western technology and you want to keep fighting? Holy shit.
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I would love to see that guy getting drafted and thrown into the battlefield he's bragging about.
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I'd like to see that old fascist fucker on the front lines, to join the conscripts he's sending to their deaths.
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I fucking hate this guy's guts. I know that's why he's so good at his job, but I just… ugh. Whenever I see his stupid face, it's like I'm getting preliminarily angry.
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He's better spoken than any USA politician these days
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Don't you do my boy Pete like that
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Trumps buddy is so brave 🤣
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This sounds a lot like Hitler in the late 1930s (in the lead-up to World War 2).
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You have smelled your own farts for way too long.
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Speaking at a news conference at the United Nations on Saturday, the minister called a 10-point peace blueprint promoted by Kyiv “completely not feasible”.
Kyiv's plan:
Energy security, with a focus on price restrictions on Russian energy resources
Restoring Ukraine’s territorial integrity and Russia reaffirming it according to the UN Charter
Withdrawal of Russian troops and the cessation of hostilities, the restoration of Ukraine’s state borders with Russia
Justice, including the establishment of a special tribunal to prosecute Russian war crimes
building security architecture in the Euro-Atlantic space, including guarantees for Ukraine.
What leverage does Ukraine think they have to institute such a blatantly pro-Ukraine peace resolution? Based on Ukraine's proposed plan, you'd think they were at the sea of Azov and halfway to Moscow, rather than stuck in a few salients along the same frontline they were at a year ago.
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Restoring Ukraine’s territorial integrity and Russia reaffirming it according to the UN Charter
That includes Crimea, apparently. Good luck with that.
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Yes exactly, how dare a defending country propose a peace plan, the nerve of those Ukrainians wanting peace for Ukraine and fellow Ukrainians.
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At this point the war is a stalemate. Given that, Ukraine's requirements for peace are... well they don't have the "war-score" to try for those options yet. TBH I don't think they want peace without those requirements, and Russia isn't beat enough to agree. So peace is just off the table for now. Which suggests it was never a serious offer anyway.
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They had one a year ago, that was probably far more favorable than anything they will see now, until their minders shot it down.
This isn't even close to being a a legitimate peace proposal, at best it is an attempt to spin a "look, those mean Russians won't accept peace!" news story. There's nothing even resembling a concession, it reads more like a demand for unconditional surrender.
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Well it's not really a negotiation, it's a country defending its borders. What do you expect, uh ok you can have half our country and some of our women?
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Love how theres not a single link in the article to this ukie peace plan
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Here you go: https://war.ukraine.ua/faq/zelenskyys-10-point-peace-plan/
Other than point 7 this looks rather reasonable. And in a good world 7 would also be reasonable, and plenty of american leaders would also be rotting in Hague. But we all know there's no way that's gonna happen without a revolution in Russia (and I guess the USA) -- so there's no way their current regime can accept that.
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