What do you think of framework and their methods?

It would be amazing if they succeeded. Would be nice to be able to grab the motherboard of your old laptop and recycle it into a home server type device, sell your display to someone that can easily use it for personal projects, etc.

If they do it right their old boards could be used for the kind of stuff people buy raspberry pi's for as well.

One small issue that people seem to have, is their unwillingness to talk about core boot or libre boot, but that's a small thing.

It's a major issue for me - currently I'm keeping my old x230 alive, but eventually that'll have to be replaced.

I'm running it with heads, which allows me to do secure boot under my control. I don't really want to have my main notebook without that nowadays.

I don't like any of the current notebook keyboards, so it'll be a "build yourself" project anyway - and the framework mainboard would be nice as they keep the dimensions stable, even though I'm not a fan of some other hardware choices.

I should add, no matter how much I agree with the company, I won't do pre-orders. I know framework is my kind of crazy, I can't encourage anybody to do a pre-order either.

I bought my framework from in stock series 13s.

There's too much risk tying up capital for months, plus you lose your credit card protections, when it's been over 30 days. If I buy an in stock unit, have it delivered, and it's terrible, worst case scenario I do a credit card charge back. I'd lose that capability if I do a pre-order 345 months out.

I needed new laptop and wanted one from Framework but unfortunately they don't sell it in my country so I went with a macbook pro with the thinking that it will last me longer than anything else and that's at least somewhat more eco friendly since I don't need to buy a new one for the next 5 years at least, probably 10 since it's a mac

I get what you mean but that analogy doesn't make sense

They've even went beyond what they promised iirc rather than delivering the bare minimum

even if high than the competition

it's not even higher in some cases.

Was looking for a new work laptop a year or so ago, and compared a thinkpad with framework. Same exact hardware inside, and the price difference was 50ct. With the thinnkpad having poorer upgradability, soldered on ram and (imo) worse build quality.

It was the perfect way to test out a framework, and now I own one for personal use as well

Hopefully battery life will get much better with the next gen Intel CPUs (14th gen and later). Of course that means nothing for people who already have the current gen.

I am super excited about case options (3D printed, or coolermaster) ! When I do need an upgrade in some years time, the old MB will definitly not go to wast !

I always found it very frustration to have some old laptop laying around, that still functions good, but there is nothing much to be done with it, or it involves a lot of tinkering and will never end up being a very elegant nor practical thing...

Theres also this option of turning it into a handheld gaming system:

https://youtu.be/zd6WtTUf-30?si=dsWcZblRl_Wkry5P

Yeah that’s my attitude as well. I have no need for a laptop at the moment. It’s a want, but I have bigger expenses to worry about at the moment. In a year or two when I feel like it’s time I’ll likely go with them.

Last I checked some months ago they haven't entered the EU market and don't have near term plans to :(

They also don't recommend importing as that kind of defeats the purpose seeing as you'll be unable to easily source parts or even get support, maintenance or warranty

I find it acceptable to use a usb-c dongle for ethernet, even though I admit it's not as good as a properly integrated port. Overall the Framework 13-inch isn't the best if you are looking for many I/O options. I own only 4 port-modules, buy even if I had more I don't see myself swapping them more often than twice a year.

I needed one and wanted one but unfortunately they don't sell it in my country so I went with a macbook pro with the thinking that it will last me longer than anything else and that's at least somewhat more eco friendly

Framework: We design our products to last, to reduce e-waste

Enthusiasts: buys their products even though they don't need new ones, just because they're cool, producing more e-waste in the process

That sounds annoying, but manageable. To be fair, I've never had a Linux system that did suspend gracefully, so I've started to suspect it's more a software issue with Linux in general.

This is the only reason I haven't bought one yet. I have no use/need for a new laptop, but really like the idea at the very least over... every other manufacturer really.

Being able to choose/swap out ports alone would be fantastic.

Same. I love my Thinkpad and absolutely will continue to buy them but I really like what framework is doing.

So I own a framework and use it as a personal device. I love it.

That said I will not be advocating my department replaces our dells with them until they have next day replacement devices (we are entirely remote so there is no "swing by the help desk to have someone fiddle with your computer").

For Linux support alone, System76 is better, because Framework's resolution is a bit awkward, whether it's 13" or 16".

System76 is a bit strange. Their laptops are more expensive than other windows brands, while offering Linux. I'm not sure if it's really worth going with them, as a lot of other laptops ca work with Linux. Tho maybe I missed something about their laptops.

Framework I think I saw some Poole saying it has some issues running Linux with some component incompatibilities. Tho you may want to do more research, maybe even opening some reddit threads and dodging useless comments.

My experience with Linux on my Framework has been pretty good but admittedly not perfect. If you want an idea you can check out the Arch Wiki's Framework page. Personally I think the repairability and upgradability of Framework outweighs the marginal increased Linux support you get with System76 (assuming they have no issues), but Linux isn't as big a priority for Framework as it is for System76.

When i ordered mine, they didnt have a US version. So i ordered a German model, and a keyboard (the German Model was overstock and discounted). And just swapped the keyboard.

It took about 30 minutes and probably 100 screws but it was simple.

My laptop is 4 years old at this point. I spent $2400 on it before I wanted something future proof, and while it's still plenty fast with it's 10th gen Intel processor and 32gb ram, knowing that I could drop $500 and upgrade to the latest AMD or Intel chip makes me wish I could have held out another year and gotten the framework.

Given that we've more or less peaked in terms of non-gaming performance I probably won't be buying another laptop until this one dies but my next laptop will be a framework without question as well.

And the pricing is just very out of line.

It's not really. You're just used to subsidized pricing. Framework doesn't give you a computer with bullshit anti-malware trial things or whatever other bullshit manufacturers install these days plus Microsoft bulk pricing. If you compare the a Dell Inspiron 5630 to the a similarly spec'd framework, the framework is only like $100-150 more dollars.

What's wrong with fairphone?

Yes they are

yes, that's their whole selling point

The entire laptop is user serviceable, including replacing the Motherboard/CPU with a newer model, or even switching between Intel and AMD now. New 16in model will have upgradable discrete GPU.

https://frame.work/marketplace

That's their whole deal. The computer is designed to be repairable by the end user as a first principle. It's easy to disassemble, easy to replace or swap components, and they have a store where you can buy replacement or upgrade parts.

That's a fair observation, but it's not an article, it's the company blog talking about upcoming things. I think the most remarkable thing is they admit their approaches are not sustainable, even though they're trying to be green. And that's a healthy thing to admit.

Normally I'd be rolling my eyes but they could probably stand some free advertising.

Having used the expansion modules on my framework. I'm kind of in love with them. They remove all cable stress from the motherboard. Because of the modularity, I can just plug in an external disk to boot off of, if I want to run Windows, or a special operating system, and pull the disc out seamlessly through the expansion port.

I didn't think I'd like them, but I really do. The modularity is undersold, day-to-day driving it's great. No complaints about them whatsoever.

I'll tell you what Framework's IO modules truly are: Dongles.

They plug into USB-C ports on the mainboard, just like the bundle of IO dongles a Mac user has to lug around. But in Framework's case, they're "inboard." They snap into the chassis of the Laptop to present the form factor of a built-in port. So unlike pigtail form factor dongles that stick out of the machine, you can leave them plugged in while the laptop is in your bag.

And because the module is supported by the chassis, that relieves the strain on the USB-C port itself, so if you drop the laptop with something plugged into a module, it might break the module but not the mainboard. Modules are cheaper and easier to replace than the mainboard.