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  • Microsoft can't be bothered to make a single, unified control panel but they have resources to work on shit like this.

  • I've never heard of microsoft pluton- that's why I wasnt talking about it

  • Because Windows is known to be malicious spyware, and you should consider not tolerating it any longer.

  • Isn't this bypassed by clicking "More info" and the "Run" button appears?

  • I switched to pop os recently and I'm never going back to Windows. It's easier now than ever to switch to Linux, even for gamers. Steam, proton, and wine have made running your Windows apps and games in Linux so easy. You'd have to have a very specific use case to justify staying with Windows now.

    Here's a fun one: I own two video capture devices, an Elgato HD 60 S and an Avermedia LiveGamer Portable 2. Both do not work in Linux. I found a simple USB HDMI capture device that works in Linux and cost a fraction of what thosmother overhyped ones cost me. It works way better than they ever did. That was one of my last adjustments. I can still stream my Switch and PS5 on Twitch, no problem.

    That's a pretty niche use case and it was easy.

  • 20 years ago it was called TCP/Palladium and everyone was afraid this might happen. That was one of the reasons Microsoft implemented TPM chips.

    Obviously everyone forget about it until now. Happy new times where Microsoft can dictate which files your, sorry, their computer is allowed to open.

  • Never seen this. I'd want way more proof its real. that beside said if it comes to that its Linux time. I don't prefer linux but I've found one that mostly works for me.

  • Damn, never seen that before. Is it a windows 11 thing? It’s looking more and more like I’ll have to move to linux on my desktop, I guess.

    Edit: hard to find a source for the image; I assume if it was real there’d be a lot more reports of this online but I’m not seeing those.

    • basic research tells me it's a... something integrated in the PC processor. AMD. It's fairly new and started to be released only in some models last year. All this explains why I haven't heard about it until now. Agreed this adds pressure to take on linux

      • Microsoft Pluton is hardware level SoC "zero trust" security that can be baked into the CPU. It's an optional implementation of TPM for windows 11, basically, that's much more invasive and harder to bypass when enabled. I'm not sure how or why it would involve itself in media playback though, since it's capabilities seem to be focused around executable security and cryptographic OS/driver verification. So this screenshot is likely fake... for now.

        It should be pretty transparent to avoid in the open market. It looks much more geared towards the enterprise space where you want machines to be locked down like this, but I'm sure it'll creep into the consumer space once Microsoft decides it's mandatory.

    • No, nothing like that in win 11

  • Depicted: Why I've been trying to violently cut away Windows' presence in my life.

    "Security" features that add no security whatsoever and only exist for DRM reasons

    • Security for me, not for thee. At this point in my life windows is just too exploitative. I know a little about Linux, looks like it's time to learn.

      • My tipping point was actually how trigger-happy Windows Defender is about crack software and how you literally cannot meaningfully disable it without first breaking apart the entire OS. -- Only do a temporary turn-off that only lasts until the next time the computer is turned on. Or another less temporary turn-off that lasts until the next system update. Which. Fuck off. I can tell a feature that is working against me from how hard it is for me to get rid of it.

        I won't be one of those liars who tells you "Linux is eaaaaaaaaasy, you'll get it in no time"

        It's a skillset. You'll have to learn stuff. You'll have to browse wikis and ask for help on Discord servers and fucc around a lot. Plus it has this thing that when something works it works really well, and when something doesn't work, boy are you in for a capital-F-fun afternoon.

        But it keeps me happy with how much I can customize my experience to my own personality, and how fast and smooth it is, even on my old, beat-up laptops.

        Still keep a windows install around for those days when I need some application that doesn't exist on Linux, doesn't have a viable alternative, and won't play ball with Wine/Proton. But those are becoming rarer and rarer. Maybe one day I'll be rich enough to have a computer with several GPUs and I'll virtualize Windows instead of dual-booting it.

  • Is this windows 11 or 10? That's absolutely wild, never seen it before.

    • Sounds like 11, but I have already seen how they try to block any app they don't like in w10 by calling it dangerous.

    • 11 for sure.

  • I consider using windows as self-harm. It is a decision you make. I choose not to harm myself in this way, so this does not concern me.

  • I'm concerned about being able to run GNU/Linux on computers with Pluton chips, but I shouldn't get this hardware at home before the next decade. I'm trying to buy as much second-hand commodities as possible.

  • Some research tells me it's a physical chip that blocks you from opening certain files 😬. I did hear MS was coming with this at some point. Maybe check if this can be disabled in the BIOS

    • It sounds like this will become a problem if/when content providers start requiring it.

      Like how Netflix requires certain hardware to enable 4K. (At least I think they do? I remember that was a thing a few years ago.)

      https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/information-protection/pluton/microsoft-pluton-security-processor

      Microsoft Pluton security processor is a chip-to-cloud security technology built with Zero Trust principles at the core. Microsoft Pluton provides hardware-based root of trust, secure identity, secure attestation, and cryptographic services. Pluton technology is a combination of a secure subsystem which is part of the System on Chip (SoC) and Microsoft authored software that runs on this integrated secure subsystem.

      Microsoft Pluton is currently available on devices with Ryzen 6000 and Qualcomm Snapdragon® 8cx Gen 3 series processors. Microsoft Pluton can be enabled on devices with Pluton capable processors running Windows 11, version 22H2.

      What is Microsoft Pluton?

      Designed by Microsoft and built by silicon partners, Microsoft Pluton is a secure crypto-processor built into the CPU for security at the core to ensure code integrity and the latest protection with updates delivered by Microsoft through Windows Update. Pluton protects credentials, identities, personal data and encryption keys. Information is significantly harder to be removed even if an attacker has installed malware or has complete physical possession of the PC.

      Microsoft Pluton is designed to provide the functionality of the Trusted Platform Module as well as deliver other security functionality beyond what is possible with the TPM 2.0 specification, and allows for additional Pluton firmware and OS features to be delivered over time via Windows Update. For more information, see Microsoft Pluton as TPM.

      Pluton is built on proven technology used in Xbox and Azure Sphere, and provides hardened integrated security capabilities to Windows 11 devices in collaboration with leading silicon partners. For more information, see Meet the Microsoft Pluton processor – The security chip designed for the future of Windows PCs.

  • That's what you get for using windows - software that might allow you to use your computer.

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