If India ordered a murder in Canada, there must be consequences
Western countries have for too long acquiesced to the Indian government’s abuses
Western countries have for too long acquiesced to the Indian government’s abuses
Regardless if the guy deserved it or not, killing them in a country you are supposed to be on good terms with is not the way to go about it.
At this point India is barely even trying to hide it.
Also, the guy in question was a Canadian citizen.
If you're a Canadian citizen, and see Canada as your homeland, then why would you be trying to carve out a homeland elsewhere on the other side of the world for yourself? Could it be that he was just using Canada as his base of operations? If I claim that you and I are happily married, then wouldn't it be a little suspicious if I'm dating other women and posting ads saying I'm looking for a new girlfriend? That guy entered Canada on a false passport, while he was wanted on an Interpol Red Corner notice. He then tried to gain citizenship by marrying some young girl, but authorities rejected his lame attempt. But then somehow he was later granted citizenship. Maybe the citizenship process isn't all it's cracked up to be - and maybe the existing Canadian citizenry are being shortchanged as a result? Also, after gaining citizenship, that guy didn't settle down into a quiet life, and was running a training camp to train Sikh youth on how to fire high-powered sniper rifles. These things sound like very odd things to do for a happy, well-adjusted Canadian citizen.
"the guy deserved it" should never be justification for a state to kill someone. Even if you think capital punishment is justified, it should only be after a fair trial. And, if someone has a capital punishment sentence against them, that's only valid within their own borders.
If you violate a country's monopoly of the use of force within their own borders, that's a step on the path to war.
When the US demanded that the Taliban govt in Afghanistan hand over Bin Laden after 9/11, they refused, saying that the US should follow due process. They said the US should first submit evidence to their Sharia courts. The US responded by invading the country, ousting the Taliban and replacing their govt with one of its own choosing, and bombing and occupying the place for 20 years (the longest war in American history.)
Yeah, extradition exists
What's interesting is that India has been claiming the guy is a terrorist for years, but never really gave specific examples of what made him a terrorist other than his spouting separatist beliefs (which maybe is enough in India to arrest someone?)
But they also don't seem to have bothered to even try to extradite him, which seems telling in itself.
Not only that, but Canada has proven its firm hand on this. When China went apeshit after Meng Wanzhou's arrest in Canada to extradite her to the USA, Canada stuck to its guns. Even after two Canadians were taken hostage by the Chinese government in a retaliatory arrest, Meng stayed under arrest with her extradition going forward, while the rest of the world (including Modi's India) politely looked the other way rather than angering China.
India cannot possibly claim they couldn't have gotten results from Canada if they'd gone through the legal system.
Yeah it exists for the sake of it.
It's too early to confirm who did it, but it looks like it just happened again:
An alleged (edit: alleged by India) Khalistani terrorist was just murdered in his home in Winnepeg.
India's getting blatant and nobody cares because of China.
Nobody deserves death, however much me way wish it. Humans dole it out in spades, though.
I respectfully disagree for rare cases. Some people are just plain evil, according to modern sensibilities.
Modi isn’t exactly subtle about anything.
e: modi not MIDI
But Russia told them they did it all the time and nothing ever came of it.
never previously in the friendly and orderly West.
Well, started reading the article, got to this line and cringed.
It is a vague reference that they are following the route of China and Russia by ignoring and abusing the laws of western states.
For a kinder and friendlier colonism.
yes, that line had me laughing too.
As an Indian I agree. But I need to see conclusive proof first. I don't want to see my country degrades itself to the same level as CIA / NSA or Mossad. If we did something wrong there should be adequate consequences.
The thing is we're scared of China and you're the only developing country of over a billion left, on top of your ideological and language similarities with us. Even Trudeau is treading as lightly as he can given the situation.
If the west is scared of China, then India's PM Modi is terrified of them. In June 2020, When China invaded India in Galwan and beat our 20 soldiers to death, Modi publicly state that nothing happened in Galwan. Since then he has been unable to take China's name, even when China built an entire village with paved roads in the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh.
The Modi govt that rules India is ideologically fascist dictatorial, majoritarian, and violently Hindu supremacist. If that is also your country's ideological stance then we do have a lot in common.
I understand your point of view but don't you think these things should have been considered thoroughly before going public in this manner? It is only fair to ask for conclusive proof if you accuse something serious like this in public. It is safe to assume all diplomatic effort has been failed from both side. Also as far as I read in the news, the investigation itself is ongoing. Don't you think all these confusions could have avoided if Canada decided to go public after concluding the investigation? That way India would have very little wiggle room to refute the hard evidence presented.
Canadian sources say that, when pressed behind closed doors, no Indian official has denied the bombshell allegation at the core of this case — that there is evidence to suggest Indian government involvement in the assassination of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sikh-nijjar-india-canada-trudeau-modi-1.6974607
Our government has not released a single statement saying 'we didn't do it' AFAIK. Let us know if you find any.
Fair enough, I see where you're coming from and fully expect some proof. I do however have doubts that any proof will ever be conclusive enough to convince people and certainly not enough to get Modi to admit the truth if his govt is truly behind it. So what will providing proof accomplish anyway? Not providing proof might be a tactic to elicit lies that can be demonstrated as such through a trickle release of proof, enough to prove that the deniers are liars.
At the end of the day, Canada is a sovereign country and they are free to level a number of consequences against a foreign government if they so desire, including sanctions, visa restrictions, and so on. The only proof they need is for themselves, and to take action that will protect Canadians from foreign assassinations in the future. Canada really does not have to prove anything to India, especially if they do not believe the Indian govt is acting in good faith.
So what will providing proof accomplish anyway?
I don't agree. Something is better than nothing, even if things are heavily redacted. I as a common man may not interprete them adequately but there are people who can. Especially people from the intelligece community can check and somewhat verify if there is anything plausible with respect to the accusitions. This important for the allies of the Canada too. Canada is a member five eyes, so they can definitely validate their gathered intels with the likes of UK, US if the evidence deemed unfit for public release. So far I have not seen any of those countries conclusively made statements that they validated Canada's allegations. The investigation is ongoing anyway.
It does not matter whether Indian PM admits it or not if evidence is there and the international community verified and largely accepts it as truth. So far I haven't seen this happen.
Off course Canada can do whatever they choose in their jurisdiction. For example, many countries creates travel advisory for their citizens regarding which countries are deemed safe / not safe for them to travel to. If country X says that country Y is unsafe for their citizens to travel to, it's perfectly fine. However, that doesn't mean country Y is universally unsafe. But, when it comes to international relations we can't just hurl allegation to another sovereign country without any evidence, independent verification / backing. Because tomorrow country Z can allege something outrageous about country A without evidence, will the international community accept that without questions as well?
Personally I feel diplomacy from both sides have failed us. It's their job to handle these things more gracefully.
In that case, Indian govt is also free to retaliate since no country is just going to keep diplomatic relations one-way.
What evidence do you want to see about a state-sponsored assassination? It's happened twice now and you think it's an accident?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-homicide-victim-wanted-india-1.6975772
Just yesterday.
IIn the past ndia has never been a terrorist country, not even at the worst provocation. But the current regime is fascist and Modi is desperate. As Governor Satya Pal Malik has said about India's PM Modi 'he can do anything, he can go to any extent'.
India's Modi govt that practices domestic terrorism on its own citizens within india, wants to make India known as a terrorist state in the global stage.
modi isnt humble and so isnt his government. modis shitty support for russia is wrong. he has already lost touch with reality. i think the image of india in the west is falling rapidly, but i am sure modiist know why everyone else is wrong. time to rename the country. it is no longer happy nice india, bad bahRAT.
If Canada follows the 9/11 protocol, they would invade pakistan
Nah, too close to India. Invade Iran on bullshit pretenses that have a tenuous connection with the situation even taken at face value.
but in old Canadian fashion, we're just going to bend over and take it
The PM is literally calling them out in public and starting crap with the Modi administration over it.
Is there any evidence that India ordered the assassination?
If there is, it won't be shared currently due to it being an ongoing investigation.
But something must be there if the Canadian government is making this statement instead of ignoring it. Sounds like the media was going to push the story anyway, but they got ahead of it.
The USA already said they aren't distancing themselves from it and working with Canada with this.
We will see how things turn out, but things are pointing to more than likely India did something. Especially with the swarm of comments/bots pulling the whole "well he deserved it" and "hypocrites" all over.
Yeah, Canada and its closest allies (US, UK, etc.) have absolutely every reason to not want to stir the pot with India, considering India is considered critical in countering China in Asia. It'd be insane to pull a stunt like this unless they actually have damning evidence. I guess we'll all see what comes of this with time, but I'm strongly inclined to believe Canada for now.
That and India's response has basically been bald-faced whataboutism and "bUt He WaS a TeRrOriSt". Doesn't exactly endear me to believing India had nothing to do with this.
If there is, it won’t be shared currently due to it being an ongoing investigation.
Plus, there's probably spies involved.
If there is, it won't be shared currently due to it being an ongoing investigation.
Then Trudeau should have kept his trap shut about it until he had the ability to produce hard evidence. Now, he may have even compromised the investigation, or made a fool of himself if this investigation exonerates India hfsctually or due to geopolitical ‘compulsions’).
It’s a stupid hill to die on.
Yes, Canadian government says they have it.
Where? These "leaks" from sources achieve nothing.
And I had a conversation just last week where I verbatim said ‘Canada isn’t going to war with anyone. I mean, can you imagine?’
Well, now who has egg on their face.
Their highest profile crime besides T-Series.
Sounds like a terrorist who got assassinated in a foreign country.
Anyway this OP has a vendetta against India. They have yet to comment on all the atrocities being carried out by Muslim governments daily.
Oh, but US/Canada/West ordering murders in India/East/Global South is fine? The Brits haven't even acknowledged what they did to India......
Any evidence Canada is responsible for ordering assassinations in other countries? Would love to know more about that.
As a Brit I'm happy to admit we did some shitty things in India, as well as elsewhere, during the colonial era. However at this point we're both happy members of the commonwealth with a decent relationship and a decent amount of cultural osmosis from each other. I mean our current prime minister is of Indian descent.
There's a different between India and some other ex-colonial nations in that they aren't still moaning about it and saying they need reperations, etc 70 odd years after the end of the empire. India got on with it as an independent nation and become one of the world's fastest growing economies.
Happy to admit? Then tell your government to admit then? How does your PM being of Indian descent make this fact any better?
Have you read Inglorious Empire: What the British Did to India by Shashi Tharoor?
Moaning? Read the book my man. You sound very clueless...
We have done what now? India has only been a country since like 1947, what are these long trains of abuses you refer to here in the west? Chippendales?
Don't worry, there won't be. Canada has been allowing itself to be a pushover for a while now
prove me wrong, people.
You're right. The consequences should be more akin to the consequences Saudi Arabia felt for murdering Khashoggi---oh, wait...
All you gotta do is pay off key politicians
The Saudis have oil which somehow makes it ok. India has... idk, holy cows?
What, you mean like when Canada stuck to it's guns with the arrest of Meng Wanzhou even after the hostages were taken?
Or like how Canada hasn't had diplomatic relations with the Saudis since 2018 when Canada refused to stop calling them out on their human rights abuses?
Or the time they had the incident with KSA over Kashoggi.
Fashy undertones.
Also fashy over and mid -tones
Are we pretending the West doesn't order murders in other countries?
Well, for one, I doubt Canada does it, and for another, the Americans at least have the self-respect to own what they're doing when somebody calls them out on it instead of switching into crybully mode and throw a diplomatic temper tantrum like Modi is.
I don't recall Obama ever pulling diplomats and visas from Pakistan when their government was angry about US airstrikes in their country.
"I didn't do it and if I did it was justified" just looks childish.
The US still promotes dictatorships around the world, and in Latin America specifically, while claiming to promote democracy. There isn't even that much democracy at home.
The narcissist's prayer definitely applies to the country that elected Trump, as it does to Trump himself.
Are we pretending we should give the west a pass on that? Should they be allowed to with a clean conscience?
Canada's fascist roots are going to be impossible to hide when dealing with this sort of thing.
EDIT because apparently the obvious "they were going to find a way let them get away with it" wasn't unhinged enough for the internet to have it as their first thought.