Deregulation will surely help the housing crisis 🤡

Libertarianism is a theory espoused to those with good intentions by people that have bad intentions.

It doesn’t work for almost anyone. But it super works for some. That’s the point.

The problem is that it doesn't work even if everyone has good intentions. It needs everyone to agree on what "good intentions" even means.

I personally don't fully agree. Libertarianism just doesn't work at all. It is not even a complete system from a logical sense. It falls apart when faced with basic scrutiny, or they just theorize a system that's basically the same as a central government but with a private entity name stamped on it.

It is an ideology stemming from a basic principle, but they sadly don't seem to think of the entire system as a whole.

Also there's the fact that nearly everybody's idea of freedom is drastically different and some people's freedoms infringe on others.

Why do you say this? There would exist a justice system to protect individual, and property rights through tort law, just as there is now.

I disagree with you.

Libertarianism also works if there is information about bad people and good people are free to avoid them.

Freedom of information and freedom of action.

It's easier to avoid bad people in free markets than it is to prevent them from taking and abusing positions of power in a powerful state.

Respectfully, I think the opposite. I think, for the most part, a free(r) market naturally benefits humans with good intentions and harms those with bad intentions.

For example, let's say in a free market, somebody wanted to start a business with horrible working conditions, horrible salary, horrible everything. Now, if the economy is real bad then people might work there, but for the most part, that business is going to fail because people won't work there, and would choose other jobs instead. So in this case, a free market actually incentivizes "good intentions". The business owner will have to improve work conditions, salary, etc. so that people will work there instead of elsewhere.

And one of the important aspects of a free market is the ability to start a competing business. If there was a company with overall poor working conditions and salary, it would highly incentivize someone to start a new company with better conditions, because they could pull in all the workers from the other company.

And look, I'm not saying this is fool proof and works 100% of the time, and I'm not saying there shouldn't be a healthy amount of regulation. But if you compare this to an economic system where businesses are run by the government, you can simply just be stuck with shitty work conditions and shitty salary, and not be able to do anything about it.

It’s just like socialism; great concept, but impossible to perfectly implement. That said, I’d still prefer a system where I maintain independence and freedom than any alternative since humans are inherently are own largest problems.

That's where operating it using Algocracy comes in.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_by_algorithm

https://www.citydao.io/

Libertarianism is a great system if you're using it as a backdrop for a cyberpunk dystopia.

"It's the political philosophy of a tumor." Fantastic analogy!

they advocate for genocide basically.

If it helps at all, mostly it just hurts even those it's supposed to help while the upper class reaps the rewards.

**beef stroganoff starts

So Republicans then.

Their solution to an inefficient fly swatter is to get rid of it, spread honey over every surface, and offer to sell their services as an exterminator.

Government is only part of the problem. When they fail to see the ruling class behind it, they don't get too far.

Libertarians are just Republicans that want to smoke weed.

I've always said a Libertarian is a Republican who is trying to sleep with a Democrat. Vice versa works too.

The vast majority of libertarians are (in my experience) just conservatives that want to smoke weed. They believe a lot of the same awful shit. The rest of them have deluded themselves into thinking that a libertarian society is viable when it is laughably not. They generally consider themselves to be way more capable and independent than reality can support.

Many years ago a bunch got together and essentially took over a town. Several years later the town got over ran by bears because no one wanted to handle trash properly.

Unfortunately Libertarians suffer from the abject stupidity of "libertarians"

Very few of us have read Locke and Through and run on the ideals of the Non Aggression Principle but we do exist.

Simply stated if you're arguing with a "libertarian" And their point of view would be an attack on another person or group or a trespass on another's rights they're probably not a libertarian.

The purpose of government is the monopoly of violence. Ideally this violence should only be used to protect rights and not violate them. Unfortunately it is often the case that government violates rights. Libertarians do not like that.

El libertarian society is a trust based society strengthened by voluntary engagement. In short you're allowed to sell poison if you label it as poison but you're not allowed to sell medicine that is actually poison.

Unironically Ron Swanson is a pretty apt description of accurate libertarian philosophy.

It's not free enough!!!!

No joke, though, there are people who think that letting things hit the wall as fast and hard as possible is desirable. It's called accelerationism.

We have never had a perfect version of anything but are we pursuing perfection or good enough?

Thats cause if they argue in good faith they wont be Libertarians for long.

I did too and was about to throw hands in defence of my local library

Free capitalism leads to this.

If you had more free capitalism it would just consolidate into neofeudalism faster.

An actual 100% free market would be rife with drug and human trafficking.

It's good to have some regulation, and by and large the US is a mostly free market. You are free to start almost any business you want.

When North Korea has better demographics than all the capitalist countries ( no immigration doesn't count, it's cheating ) you have a big problem as an ideology.

Accidentally clicked nsfw when uploading, my bad.

It would also allow Exxon to install an oil rig 15 feet away from your backyard privacy fence and there's not shit you can do about it. Zoning laws exist for a reason. They're a bit shit, yes, and changing the way they work would go a long way toward improving America's reliance on cars. But blanket removal of regulations is never the answer for any industry anywhere. We should know better by this point that unregulated capitalists will extract every last drop of value from a given proposition with no regard to anyone else impacted by it. It's happened hundreds of times already.

You're conflating the meme's argument with a whole host of problems designed to segregate and let companies profiteer off of single-family housing.

Indeed. I would argue that the free market, itself, carries no inherent morals. The morals, instead, lie within the consumers, and businesses. If the consumers are opposed to slavery, then, on moral grounds, it would be expected that they would boycott such a business. As such, a business would be inclined to not use such forms of labour since the public wouldn't give them their business; however, it seems that the populace doesn't care too much about those under the employ of a company as evidenced the rampant use of child labour, sweatshops, and poor human rights conditions by major corporations with foreign manufacturing -- if the public is not opposed to such forms of obviously cheaper labour, then the market will certainly make use of them.

Remove those restrictions and things get shittier, not more competitive. The only thing that makes smaller companies competitive is either 1, they corner some disruptive market that the big boys are ignoring (this is so rare you likely know all of the big instances of this) or 2, antitrust breaks up the big companies so that a more competitive market emerges.

That's it. Anything else is an edge case of an edge case and not worth bothering with. The top of that list is removing regulations. Regulations are written in blood and acting like they're just red tape in your way is how people die.

You've got it backwards. If it wasn't for the government, regulations and anti monopoly laws there wouldn't be any new companies, it'd just be one major Corp for each sector.

They still don't even go far enough tbh.

That's what free market means

Why dont you tell us you have a paper thin understanding of communism without telling us you have a paper thin understanding of communism...

Have you actually read about it from various sources that you cross referenced or are you taking this from your libertarian society that instilled its beliefs on you through culture?

People in Russia and China were much hungrier and unequal before the communist revolution, look it up. Unless you're talking about Cuba, which the US tried desperately to overturn and starve.

Is there a reason why you chose to be reactionary on the internet today?

This isn't Reddit, you can be nicer than this, and maybe discuss the point about libertarianism that you like instead of just jumping to a bad faith argument against another economic system that neither OP, nor the post has brought up.

Remember there's a person on the other side of the screen. Unless it's a bit of course, but you know better than to take the bait of bots.

"Anything I don't agree with is communism!"

Let me interest you in this wonderful thing called 🪩 Anarchism 🪩

Because the only alternative to unregulated capitalism is authoritarianism, got it

Creating slums will solve the housing crisis!!!

I can't tell if this is sarcasm. The housing market is suffering due to "real estate investors" just buying out and renting houses that used to be non-rental. Investment is driving up the cost of housing significantly. There's going to be a reckoning as wages are kept down and mortgages keep going up though. Eventually rent to cover mortgages are going to be too high and it's just going to push out the small time real estate investors, and either more companies will move in or there'll be a small drop in pricing.

Let's be honest, this is simply not true. Regulation acts in favor of the weaker link, no area benefits from deregulation.