Trump Privately Frets He Could Be Headed to Prison

"Florida Man With 91 Felony Charges Worried He Might Serve Prison Time."
- “Several millions of Americans worried he won’t”
  
  I hope it's a few more than several...
  
  To be fair, we're also worried that, if he does, his followers will go violent again. Not that this is a reason to excuse him him prison. It just means that it might not be all rainbows and puppies if Trump goes to prison. Our celebrations might be interrupted by home grown right wing terrorist attacks.
- Only 91? Shit. AZ state and NJ federal indictments need to get here soon.
  
  Is the NJ federal case about him stealing documents as well?

Many of us fret he won't.
- I'd be okay with him going into exile in North Korea.
  yeah. let him torture Kim for a while.
  
  The realistic conclusion to that would be Trump spilling Top Secret info to North Korea. If not willingly, then via torture. But let’s be honest: It would probably be willingly.
- I was solidly in that boat for a while too, but seeing how many of his co-conspirators are tripping over themselves to testify against him lately gives me hope.
  That's the problem with surrounding yourself with shady people who only have their own interests in mind. They're not loyal to him, he only kept them around because they told him what he wanted to hear, and they only told him what he wanted to hear because it helped them advance their own personal interests.
- This could help:
  https://www.newsweek.com/trump-ally-surprised-learn-hes-witness-case-1828574
  Or not...
  https://www.ajc.com/news/lin-wood-i-didnt-flip-on-president-trump/K36BYKE4LRABFKAPTKCZCXPQLM/

I'll believe it when I see it. We will never see him behind bars. Two tiered justice system.
- Absolute best case is house arrest imo, and I'm sure his lawyers will make sure it includes the entirety of his resort, so basically nothing will change
  I'd love to be wrong, but I don't think I will
  
  This is my hope as well. At least he can't hold hitler style rallies if he's confined to the resort though.
- I totally agree.
- He won't go and both sides don't want him to go. It sets a presidence that they the rich ruling class is weak to the rules.
  
  Nah, if you think, say, AOC or Bernie Sanders wouldn't love to see the door slam behind 45, I think you're mistaken.

- he probably wouldn't last a year in solitary.
  
  Solitary confinement isn't really solitary most of the time. It's far less pitch black rooms with a slat you slide a tray of slop into, and more of a lights always on, talking to your neighbor through the vents/shouting chess moves at each other.
  Not that it isn't inhumane in its own way, but many people seem to think that you're basically sensory deprived and that's just not the case.
  
  We can still hope

“When you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over?” Trump said, miming the physical motion of an officer shielding a suspect’s head to keep it from bumping against the squad car. “Like, don’t hit their head, and they just killed somebody — don’t hit their head,” Trump continued. “I said, you can take the hand away, okay?”
I hope the prison guards remember this, it's only fair.
- I don't understand the implication O:

Yes, I'm sure Rolling Stone has excellent insights into Trump's private fretting.
- because media stalwarts like Meet The Press are doing so great at holding Trump to account huh?
  jfc man, dunno if you noticed the hellscape that is modern media but RS is doing pretty good these days.
- It's not like a Rolling Stone journalist went and asked. Journalists have these things called "sources":
  While Trump publicly professes confidence, privately, three sources familiar with his comments say, he’s been asking lawyers and other people close to him what a prison sentence would look like for a former American president.
  
  three sources familiar with his comments
  That would never have gotten past any decent editor 20 years ago.
  See, if you say one unnamed source, it's not quite as believable to people who lack critical thinking skills and reading comprehension. Better make it three. Five would be too many.
  The yellow journalists also like to used "experts" (unnamed of course) to pedal their garbage talking points.
  "Three sources familiar with some Rolling Stones writer's thinking say they like to smell their own farts"
  See, I can make shit up too.
  Actual journalism isn't quite completely dead, but it's on life support.
- I like that you're so confident about something you couldn't possibly know fuck-all about

I believe the term is known as “shitting bricks”
- Sorry...shittin' rocks.

I predicted he would die in prison when he clinched the GOP nomination in 2016- there was no way, I decided, he wouldn't abuse his office and break a shitload of laws. The last 6 years has been a rude reminder that I seem to have wildly overestimated the capacity and will of America's political and law enforcement establishments to hold anyone like him accountable for even the kinds of crimes he's confessed to on the record.
- See, I very naively thought that it would end with his impeachment. Like, I wasn't surprised by the law breaking, but I figured that he'd be ousted by a simpler thing like emoluments or something. Oh to be young again...
  
  And the thing was the GOP establishment could have just let him hang himself. They hate that they've become a personality cult, but it's their own fucking fault for propping this guy up.
- I figure he knew where he was heading the moment he learned Hilary had conceded.
  His (starving) brain worms have made an impact since then but I swear, from the look on his face, that he knew where he would end up.
  
  The Trump team was definitely not expecting to win in 2016. Trump himself looked borderline despondent.

“They really don’t like me, they’re mean… they’re trying to send me to prison. They’d have done it too, though.”
- It was me making shit up for lulz. but I like to think it's something he's muttered in the mirror. Instead of the "Gosh Darnit, People like me"
- That sounds a lot like something he'd actually say.
  
  Yeah we've really hit the point where it's impossible to tell if that's an actual Trump quote or made up.

I think it's important to cover his trials but I wish we'd ignore these articles which are rooted in gossip and nothing more. It's just clickbait.

Apparently he just "ordered" congressional GOP members to shut down the government so they can't fund the DOJ lmaooo someone is getting desperate.
- It's beautiful. Republican leadership knows they'll get the blame if there's a shutdown and they're trying to avoid it, and Trump tries to muck that up.
- A large portion of the Republican Reps don't like Trump any more than the Democrats. I'm sure they are following his "orders"
  
  Sure but they'll still suck his dick in hopes that he ejaculates a nomination.
  
  But for 6 years they've propped him up, and now they're stuck with him. They could have let him hang himself and gotten President Pence (who the GOP would have loved) in the first year of Trump's term, but they didn't.
- Source? I'd love to share that one in the group chat

So how does secret service work here
I assume he'd go to the lowest security safest place ever
- More likely he'd go to an insanely high security place, he can't be trusted around other people.
  ADX Florence is built for exactly that kind of prisoner: spies, terrorists, etc.
  
  I think the chances are that he'll be on house arrest in Mar-a-lago. He deserves supermax, but when has what people deserve been relevant in the criminal "justice" system?
  
  A boy can dream!
  
  Good point.

If someone tells you they cannot let something enter their mind, that means they are thinking about it constantly.

Thoughts and prayers, 45.

What if he turns into a devout Muslim in prison?
- For that to happen he'd have to be capable of worshiping something other than himself.
  
  Shit, even if he tried to fake it; I doubt he'd be able to get up off the floor from prayer.
- Nation of Islam is like "WE DO NOT ALLOW PORK TO WORSHIP"
  I could see it happening tho, "I am no longer Donald Trump, I am Quarter-Pounder-with-Cheese Shabaz Mo Frommage"
  but whenever anyone attempts to address him that way he looks confused.

club fed. that’s where you go when you commit federal crimes. he’ll still hate it.
- Probably, but we can still dream about him being in Federal Pound Me In The Ass Prison.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htCJTPu8GPE
- There's a scene near the end of the Better Call Saul series where Saul Goodman is negotiating with the feds for better prison terms.
  I feel like I heard somewhere that a meeting like this is not uncommon with high value/high risk criminals. In part to reduce everybody's legal fees and in part to get criminals to cooperate on other matters, such as getting the crazies in their orbit to chill out.
  I could imagine that as the feds close in on Trump, such a meeting may become more attractive to him. And at long last he'll finally retire to a golden club fed with an escalator.

I'm waiting for a Hallmark Channel redemption arc for him. He goes to prison, slowly befriends his fellow cell mates and empathizes with them, and emerges a changed man who gives up his fortune in order to fight the injustices against the common man.
- Because prison always turns people into a better version of themselves
  
  It’s hallmark fiction, so yeah. Also, he gets back with Melllania who dumped him, and they raise happy, perfect kids together.
  Also this all happens at Christmas time because they ran into each other in line for a street vendor selling pumpkin spice lattes
- Someone swap his blow with some Molly and see if he feels something for a change
  
  Make Drumpf Merry Again
  
  Not sure mdma can cure what this man has.
- Reads the constitution. After a thousand times, he starts to get it.
  "Oh, I should be in prison."
  
  That made me chuckle
- He goes on to form a golf team with some of the inmates at his prison, and in a partnership with Vince McMahon they start up a prison golf league where the various prison teams play each other in an annual tournament. The winners get extra Little Debbie snacks from the prison commissary. Eventually they make a movie, and Donald Trump is played by Rosie O'Donnell.
  
  The name of the movie would be something like "Par for the Course"

I still have more faith in vigilante justice; legal just will continue to spin its wheels in the mud until he succumbs to his decades long suicide-by-cheeseburger. Our official resources have thus far proven to be less than worthless.
I'd be fucking delighted to be wrong, though!
...then again, Trump seems to be fracturing the hell out of the GOP, so keeping him as a wrench in the spokes isn't without a silver lining, albeit unsavory.

The smallest but most significant joys are things like this headline

He'll likely be playing tennis at minimum security Club Fed if it's federal, but Georgia doesn't seem to do special treatment. If he goes in on Georgia state charges, he could end up in a for real penitentiary.
- I'd be shocked if he gets anything more than house arrest
  
  Any sort of prison time would risk his neo Nazi army attempting monthly jailbreak attempts.
- I doubt it. Playing tennis sounds like a good way to drain your body batteries
- Look at the fucking state of him. I reckon a game of tennis would probably kill him!
  Man hasn't done exercise since Stormy Daniels.
- I don't see him going to a state prison. If anything he'll have to serve time in federal. Being an ex president, the federal government will want to keep him under their watch.
- Suddenly, I've gained a lot of respect for Georgia.
  
  Don't worry you will lose it. My bet
  Some legislative 11th hour shenanigans removes the DA and the people who report to her. Until they find the one person who will drop all charges, in such a way that he can't go to trial again. And then when the case they were holding in reserve proceeds the new DA will sit on it. Night of long knives repeated.
- scabies are gonna LOVE trump
- Idc. If he's away for 30 years at club fed at least he's not destroying the country
  
  30? The guy has like 5 years at a push before that inevitable cardiac arrest catches up with him.
  He's a big man, and he's out of shape.
  
  Also, even a Club Fed prison would be a huge culture shock to him. Trump's used to doing whatever he wants whenever he wants. If he wants to go golfing, he does. If he wants to eat McDonald's for lunch and a burned steak with chocolate cake for dinner, he does. If he wants to fly somewhere, he goes. Sure, he might need to wait for mundane things like "filing a fight plan" or "food preparation," but he has people take care of it for him. To Trump it's just "I want X" followed by "Yes, sir. We'll get that to you ASAP."
  The second Trump walks into a Club Fed, this freedom goes away. Yes, he'll have more freedom than if he went to a normal prison, but it's still vastly less freedom than he'd have in Mar-A-Lago. If he wants steak but the prison cafeteria is serving lasagna tonight, he can't have special food made for him because he's Donald Trump. If he wants to travel to his NJ golf course, he's not going to be allowed to.
  Even a Club Fed prison would be a huge hit to Trump's ego since he won't be the Person in Charge anymore.

You know what I never worry about? Going to prison. I'm able to not worry about that because I don't go around breaking laws.
- I do worry about going to jail because you can be convicted of crimes you haven't committed. Unlikely to be Trump's fate, but it could be mine.
  
  Also, it's important to remember that jail =/= prison.
  Jail is where you go while awaiting trial. Prison is where you go after you're convicted.
  I'm pretty confident that I'll never do anything serious enough to be sent to prison for. However, it's plausible that I could be arrested for some alleged crime, held in jail for months pending trial, and then released (either after trial or when the charges were dropped).
  Those months in jail would mean that I'd likely get laid off from my job and my family would need to burn through our savings. Plus, depending on how high profile the arrest is, everyone might think I was guilty no matter the outcome and refuse to hire me to another job.
  The mere action of arresting someone and then dropping the charges can completely ruin someone's life.
  I wouldn't say it's in my top 10 worries, but it's definitely there.

Could?
- Should

could be? he's definitely going.
- I'll believe it when I see it. Our courts have a way of handling some people differently, and Trump is already getting treatment you or I would never dream of getting.
- Wish I could be that confident. I won't believe he is until he's actually there.
  
  Yeah, exactly.
  Hes a slimy fuck that seems to always squirt out of whatever tight place he ends up.
  Theres no guarantees with him being held accountable, so I will wait and celebrate when hes tried, convicted, and behind bars in a jumpsuit for a suitably long amount of time.

trump's thoughts, "Oh no! Maybe I shouldn't have done all that crime!"
- "How'd they catch me?!?"

This is the best summary I could come up with:
As the criminal cases against him have piled up, the former president and 2024 GOP frontrunner has wondered aloud in recent months about what life would be like if he’s convicted, and if appeals fail.
While Trump publicly professes confidence, privately, three sources familiar with his comments say, he’s been asking lawyers and other people close to him what a prison sentence would look like for a former American president.
Habba told Fox News’ Shannon Bream last month that the former president was so confident he would be vindicated that he’s not even preparing for his various trials.
One former White House official who worked on the Mueller investigation said Trump was not remotely worried about consequences from the Russia inquiry.
The closest equivalent to Trump’s legal predicament lies in the 1973 federal prosecution of Nixon Vice President Spiro Agnew on charges related to bribes from his tenure as governor of Maryland.
But as the criminal investigation of him mounted, privately “Agnew was utterly terrified of going to jail,” his biographer Charles J. Holden told Rolling Stone.
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- And if you were wondering what happened to Agnew:
  “ After months of maintaining his innocence, Agnew pleaded no contest to a single felony charge of tax evasion and resigned from office. Nixon replaced him with House Republican leader Gerald Ford. Agnew spent the remainder of his life quietly, rarely making public appearances. He wrote a novel and a memoir, both of which defended his actions. Agnew died at home in 1996 at age 77 of undiagnosed acute leukemia.”
  
  Agnew wasn't even remotely as bad as Trump, and it still disgusts me that he never saw a prison cell from the inside.

Squirm, removed

I publicly fret he might not… but also publicly hope he does

He’s been publicly spooked for quite a while now. It’s so god damned enters it to watch!

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s/could be/should be.

"Heh heh, I'm in danger!"

Could be? Dude, you are toast.
- I'll believe it when I see it. The last 7-8 years have really made me cynical, especially when it comes to Trumpty Dumpty. I laughed when he first ran and it broke me when he actually won.
  Half the country must really love the taste of bullshit because they keep gobbling it up.
  
  I totally understand. I just don’t see how you get off Scott-free when you are facing 91 felony charges. Just one conviction at his age and it will be a life sentence.

Lock Him Up

And I publicly hope he does

May he be the prison 'Fifi' until he pops.

I hope he rots in a dirty solitary pit