Can we stop buying these stupid things? Thanks
Can we stop buying these stupid things? Thanks
It barely fits in the bloody car park. So bad for pedestrians and the environment.
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Hi American here - please don't let those things take over your roads, it sucks for all the reasons you think it does
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Oh god the reddit f150 posts have made it to lemmy. Didn’t take long
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lmao my bad I just saw the article and couldn't believe the size of the thing.
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Your post certainly struck a nerve!
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For complete fairness to everyone we should tax every vehicle on road or path from scooters and bikes to b-doubles based on the 4th power of axle load to properly account for the impact on road maintenance costs. Then additional levies for disproportionate environmental costs and harm to vulnerable road users. Keep the overall tax amount the same but shift the burden so people with smaller vehicles pay substantially less than they do now. And then add strict liability for anything much larger than a kei car.
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Yes, however with that it'd be more expensive to administer taxation on bicycles etc. Than what they'd bring in... So not really worth doing at all.
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I agree 100%
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But now that Holden have stopped making Commodores, how else are you meant to show you’re a dickhead?
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Through the quality of your driving, the aggressiveness of your horn usage, the size of your exhaust, and how quick your road rage builds.
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Tesla decked out with MuskMerch™️?
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Those are tech bro dickheads, yank tanks are yuppie/tradie dickheads.
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They’re every inconvenience rolled in to one. A pain to get in. A pain to park. Use heaps of fuel. Don’t fit in garages, and to top it off are expensive AF. I’m confident in saying unless you tow like, horse floats on the regular, if you own one you’re a fucking idiot.
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They're also way more dangerous. They do more damage if they hit something, and because of the terrible visibility they're more likely to hit something.
That said, if they do hit something, the people inside the tank might be ok.
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They are more likely to roll than normal cars (SUVs excluded), and when they roll they're generally more likely to crush the roof due to their weight. So yeah, while they're better off than the car they hit, they're still not amazing safety wise.
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They're not actually that bad on fuel. Don't get me wrong, I'd never own one but a few of our major players at work have them as some sort of status symbol. Cruising in overdrive at 100km/h they can go as low as 6L/100km, but average is around 12L/100km unless you are doing lots of hunting through the gearbox or driving like a dick, then you can see some truly disturbing fuel usage figures.
To put it in perspective, this is on par with a modern hilux, and WORLDS better than the 2022 79 series landcruiser even with all the fuel efficiency gains they made.
To be clear I still don't think anyone should be driving one here - our roads and car parks are simply not built for them. They aren't that great offroad either. Really the only genuine use case is towing an enormous caravan down the hwy, in which case I hate you anyway because that's TWO symbols of you being an inconsiderate prick that doesn't care about anyone else.
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12L/100km average is for gas or diesel?
I guess us europeans are used to driving smaller cars, as such numbers sound horrible for a passenger vehicle.
Also in my country we got almost no pickup trucks. People prefer vans for tax reasons.
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Pain to get in? The hell are you talking about. It's much easier getting in and out of a truck than a normal car with the seat a feet from the ground. Especially for tall/old people.
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I got clobbered by a huge Doge Ram last September while riding my bicycle to work. The speed limit was only 30 and he hit me coming from a red light so he maybe was going 20ish to 30ish MPH. Despite the slow speed he managed to break several bones in my foot, broke/dislocated my hip and broke several of my ribs.
There really isn’t a good reason to own one of these for personal use. My company uses those trucks to haul around big construction trailers and those trailers basically never come unhitched. I can’t imagine why you would need something that powerful for personal use and I think they should be banned from local traffic or at minimum kept away from roads that share bicycles.
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Damn! I hope you're doing better.
I ride 10 miles daily on my bicycle and drivers scare the hell out of me. I always assume they can't see me and are going to do the wrong thing because they usually do!
I had to sell my old coupe to buy a pickup - but it was necessary for the homestead to haul dirt and other supplies for the farm. Although I rarely drive it (I'd rather be bicycling and burning calories while saving gas!). I'm waiting for the EV industry to evolve and then my plan is to buy a nicer older small EV with very limited range so I can scoot around town when needed - something like the BMW i3.... but less ugly hahaha
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I’m doing much better these days but I haven’t gotten back on a bicycle since the accident. Not out of fear but I’ve only recently started walking around without the use of my walking cane. Maybe next year I’ll buy and replace my old bike.
Speaking of EV. My bicycle was electric. While I wouldn’t use it often there are a few brutal hills where I live and the assist makes it great for going up without breaking into a massive sweat while wearing my work clothes. Not sure if it’s something that might interest you but I enjoyed my experience with it while it lasted 😅
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I agree with you mostly, and I absolutely hate these things as well. Here’s the 3 reasons someone might have one of these for personal use…
1.) Heavily vested in the culture war shit.
2.) Maybe they own a boat or something that needs to be hauled in a trailer and the engine on a standard size vehicle isn’t sufficient.
3.) They live somewhere really cold and remote and need to attach a plow to the front during the winter in order to leave home.-
- Frequently hauling items that won't fit inside an enclosed vehicle
- Frequently used over rough terrain where high ground clearance and 4WD is necessary.
I have regular need for a truck to carry lumber to and from home improvement box stores and lumber yards (it's remarkably inconvenient to carry a 10' 2x4 in anything that doesn't have an open bed, and you can't fit a 4x8 sheet of plywood inside anything smaller than a panel van). But even with that, it's far, far cheaper for me to rent a truck for a few hours when I need one than it is to make payments on one, pay for insurance, gas, tires (!!!), repairs, etc. It would be nice to have one on the forest service roads around here--I broke 2 motor mounts on a Civic on a forest service road--but that's uncommon enough that it's not worth the purchase.
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Those are three very good and valid reasons for ownership. I still think they should be closed to certain roads but it is what it is for now anyways. Thanks for the insightful heads up.
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Why do people even like inefficient, huge cars if they're not going to use most of its features, not even in the foreseeable future? Such a bloated design for an everyday car, and even more potentially dangerous at that... those Japanese cars have a more elegant and sleek design, as well as efficient. Well, I would like good public transportation too.
No matter how you look at it, all the pros of those kind of cars turn into cons when they're used as cars for everyday personal transport.
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In America they are mostly bought because of consumerism and fragile masculinity.
Where I live trucks are at around half the vehicles. My wife and I play a game where we try to spot a truck hauling something that they actually needed the truck for. Most trips I'll see dozens of trucks and zero being necessary.
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Smol pp
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Big car goes vroom!
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As your wallet implodes though.
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As a big dude I can't comfortably fit in a lot of smaller vehicles. I used to love my truck. Now I've settled on a Crown Victoria, the thing is a boat made for land.
I live in America so it's far from the worst offender.
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I think I can understand that, it's just that some people just get the biggest car they can find only as a status symbol and think of nothing else about it, then when they get an inconvenience they don't even think that it's the cost of having that design. Not to mention the environmental impacts. But if I were in your situation, I certainly don't want to feel cramped in a car, especially if it's in America where you'll be driving fora significant portion of your day. I mean your car could be inefficient, but it's probably because efficiency wasn't accessible for you in the first place.
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In America they are mostly bought because of consumerism and fragile masculinity.
Where I live trucks are at around half the vehicles. My wife and I play a game where we try to spot a truck hauling something that they actually needed the truck for. Most trips I'll see dozens of trucks and zero being necessary.
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I've been seeing those yank tanks showing up at my child's school lately. They're legitimately frightening. The bonnet comes almost up to my shoulder.
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They’re perfect for running over children and claiming complete ignorance of the child. It’s so bad that they’re thinking of installing front facing cameras on these things.
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Ah, I see you're getting our pedestrian bonker 9000 down under!
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Child-runner-over-er more like.
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If the bull bar doesn't squash them, then the tail pipe emissions will get them instead! Not to mention climate change.
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I'm a fan of the bear basher myself, but those are good too!
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In America, I’m sick and tired of seeing them. They’re minivans for insecure dads. They’re props for office workers who want to LARP as construction workers
Every time I see them, all I can think is that they hate kids (huge blind spots) and love to complain about gas/petrol prices. They also don’t fit in our huge parking spaces. Sure, they have their uses, but I really doubt that the shiny, pristine truck is being used to haul/tow anything
The real construction workers/laborers are usually seen driving normal sedans/cars, minivans, or actual vans. Fuck pickup trucks, they’re awful
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It's worse in America but it's coming to Aus slowly but surely. I wish they'd just fuck off honestly.
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F-150 Raptor: The official truck of “she hit me first”.
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They’re minivans for insecure dads.
I disagree with that. A minivan has a clear and specific function it does rather well (moving a lot of people comfortably, and having a lot of space). These things don't, really. The cab takes up so much space the bed is close to vestigial, and the only thing it's really good for is towing.
You can carry more with the minivan, compared to the pickup (just put the wood inside the minivan) and some of them even have all-wheel drive. You won't be fording streams and climbing mountains with it, as fun as that might look, so that's probably fine too.
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Where I'm at they are used to tow boats at 85mph while passing everyone on the freeway.
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Eh I see mostly only see tradies in Australia driving these shitboxes.
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These are showing up all over the place in The Netherlands, a country that is not built to accommodate these Emotional Support Trucks. Most are bought by business owners who would be served far better by vans. Even a small van has more usable cargo space than these behemoths, and will actually fit in parking spaces, but for some stupid reason these can be had for cheap by companies because of tax rules (that’s what 20 years of right-wing government does for you). It really is beyond infuriating.
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Those same tax rules are why they're proliferating here too. Since they can count as "work vehicles", they're not subject to our Luxury Car Tax.
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I saw an image comparing these with the older versions, and while the size of the vehicle has massively increased, the size of the actual tray has decreased.
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Yeah they're not practical, they're just stupid.
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Because no one wants to scuff up their pristine bed actually hauling anything lol. This is a minivan for insecure dads.
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Yep, and the haul and tow limits are the same.
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Hey! Don't judge them too harshly for admitting they need an Emotional Support Vehicle for their fragile ego, there's a reason they need such obvious over-compensateors. /s
I'm honestly always weary of these kinds of vehicles, the blind-spots are freaking massive. they are also much more difficult to see "around" to try and get a sense of what traffic/etc is like further ahead/around you.
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Yeah, I saw a photo from inside one of them the other day and the pillars are gigantic.
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But my masculinity
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Your truck nuts will hang just fine on a car
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As I understand it is because of emission control laws.
It is hard for manufacturers to create cars which fallow regulations and those big trucks are exempt from regulations since they are "trucks" and not "cars".
I wonder how can those even be legal, I am seeing the lm more and more in Europe and it is so sad since they are bigger than most streets.
We should just forbid them.
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The F150 isn't even the worst offender, I'm sitting in my office looking out the window and there is a lifted wankerado in the carpark. it's hood is up to my shoulders and I'm 5'11. They're not a good off roader why lift them like that?
How the fuck is that even legal.
I used to drive an ND MX5, and when one of these cunt-mobiles was behind me I always tried to get off the line as fast as that little thing would let me because I was certain some the drivers had no idea I was there.
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I drive a nc mx5, another issue is that their headlights (which are always bright white and far too bright even on low beams) shine directly into my side mirrors (and often the rear view as well) due to the height at which they are placed. Also, they are often are too close when high beams turn on automatically, which presents further problems for road awareness.
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These mofo americans are ruining it for everyone. I have stopped watching hollywood movies as they tend to show these cars and most regulars get brain washed and start buying this shit.
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I agree. We should stop buying internal combustion engine cars.
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100%. I'd go one further and say stop buying cars altogether but our infrastructure is woefully underprepared for that.
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I would love to go electric, but I can't afford an eutectic car and I live in an apartment with no chatting stations.
On top of that, I still have misgivings due to the longevity of current battery technology. Current Li-ion batteries have a pretty strict life span. Combine that with the fact that I will probably never be able to afford a new car meaning any car I do own in going to be running on an already old battery box and replacing the battery box is very expensive. Also most electric vehicles are artificially rendered unrepairable by the user, requiring "licensed repair technicians" to repair them, at a premium price of course. It's just not in the cards for poor people. Not to mention the environmental and humanitarian impact of li-ion battery manufacturing.
Electric vehicles could be part of the solution to our environmental problems, but capitalism is crippling then at their knees.
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For what it's worth, here's my anacdotal experience.
I traded in a Hybrid Camry for a Hyundai Ionic Electric almost exactly 3 years ago.
The Electric version was $40k (it was a demo so about $5k cheaper than brand new) and about $8-10k more than the petrol only model.
The first year of driving it I saved a minimum of $4k in petrol compared to the old hybrid and that is with the electricity costs factored in. Though it was closer to 4.5 when solar was taken into consideration.
This year I saved a bit more due to higher petrol prices and was a minimum of $5k saved compared to the hybrid, and again closer to 5.5 with solar.
Both years I did about 25,000kms. So after 2 years the difference in price has paid for itself, though we still have a loan for the car in theory the extra savings from not paying for petrol will help to pay the rest of the loan off. Though it's mostly being eaten up by inflation.
We are lucky enough to be in a position of semi- owning our own home so we could install power in the carport and solar. If we were renting we certainly wouldn't have done that which makes a huge difference. Also if we couldn't charge at home it'd be a massive hassle to charge away from home, which I've only had to do 5-6 times in the last 2 years. We only have a travel charger at home it is 2.2kw and very slow but we don't, and haven't needed a faster charger.
For battery life, my car has I think, an 8 year warranty on the battery having at least 90% capacity remaining. My range is typically 330kms on a full charge. If I get down to 90% capacity and still have 300kms off a charge I won't notice the difference.
I worked out the rough difference of my car compared to the petrol in terms of carbon emissions from making the battery just using global averages for making batteries. My car hit even with the petrol at about 70,000kms, after that it significantly drops off on the carbon emission side even when using 100% grid power from only coal power while petrol cars keep producing.
For the global average driver at 10,000kms a year it's obviously about 7 years to break even, for myself it'll be the end of year 3 in theory.
I can't say much on replacing batteries even though currently it is very expensive, battery technology and capacity keeps getting better, so one would hope that would mean in the future it would cost less to replace and give you more range. But then how will the shareholders reap the benefits of record profits every year.
I never really did the serving on my hybrid, but I've found the service costs pretty comparable. The last 12 month service was $360 and that includes 22months of roadside assistance.
I want to also mention it is the smoothest car I've ever driven which is nice on long trips.
I know there'll be people who will not care about any of this and others will still consider electric cars bad because of {insert small inconvenience or difference to petrol cars}, but don't let perfect be the enemy of good. They're a good start for individuals to make the change if they have the means, but the largest corporations are the biggest polluters which need regulations and rules put in place before they will start doing there share.
Apologies for rambling.
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Lifespan is not really a huge issue. You might lose 5-10% of the battery after 100k miles. Tesla's degradation after 200k miles is 12%. There is much less maintenance that needs to be done on them overall. It is indeed a larger cost up front but even with our cheap gas here in the US, it can pay for itself after 6 or 7 years.
But you are correct that access to them for poorer people. We do need to make a push to at least get level 1 chargers in apartment garages.
As far as environmental impact, cobalt is the worst of it but that is being passed out. Lithium mining is done where there is no life at all. A large chunk of the lithium in our batteries is from the Atacama Desert which has large portions that have no recorded instances of rain. Regardless, it is still significantly better than using fossil fuels in internal combustion engine.
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I agree with you for the most part. However I could never let go fully because I marvel at the ingenuity of the internal combustion engine.
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I agree with you for the most part. However I could never let go fully because I marvel at the ingenuity of the internal combustion engine.
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I want to create a community that shows trucks and SUVs too large for their garages
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!cars just opened and could use shitposts.
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Often fitted with all terrain tyres for no good reason. Just why?
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The bodies are all so tacky too. It reminds me of a super soaker or nerf gun.
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I don't understand why they're suddenly getting traction here. These big utes have been around forever but it just feels like you see them all the time now.
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I live in a state where everyone drives the Diesel version of these. Diesel engines are loud and smelly. I just want to yell at everyone of them.
"Thanks ED, for purchasing an Earth killing monstrosity. You're not even hauling anything with that over priced, micro-penis replacement. Maybe you should get a bigger one so you can put more gun racks in it ED!"
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It's just crazy that these things are allowed.
Ok, let people buy them if they really want, but they shouldn't be allowed to use them on the roads that other people have to share with them!
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They should be allowed to drive them, but pay a price for them. Tax the absolute shit out them and don't allow it to be a taxable right off for "business purposes". But then I also say that should go for all four wheel drivers. 30 years ago the only people who had anything bigger than a station wagon were people that actually used them for recreational use. The argument of "it's safer for me to drive them" is the same argument people use when the gun debate is used - it's only safer because everyone else has one is not a valid argument.
People don't need four wheel drives - they have them because it's convenient. If you want that convenience then you should have to pay for it.
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Fuck Cars@lemmy.ml
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Honestly. Starting to see these in the UK too, and all I can think is who the hell needs one of these things??
I can't imagine they're easy to drive around or park given their size, and they must guzzle through petrol. Even if you had a big family, surely you'd just get an SUV with not totally exposed to the elements boot space.
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Tbh, I would get an electric one. They're handy for moving larger items. It's not done often, but there are moments where I wish I had enough space to, move a desk or a TV for example. That's why one of my friends keeps an ancient minivan alongside his new EV crossover.
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But I leik fire trucks and moster trucks
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We aren't. The people buying these emotional support vehicles are too fragile to participate in an anonymous online forum.
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They are currently writing disgusting comments under 19 y.o. models status updates with their public facebook profile with pictures of their divorced wifes.
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Spot on
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I'm right here
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Fair point.
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I've been referring to these as babykillers. Good luck seeing a kid crossing the road if you're in one of these.
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I call them 3 and a half tonne child killers. These and Range Rover, Q7s X5s etc.
What I find totally ironic is the arseholes who drive these things park at the shops then bring out their hemp shopping bags. ‘Yeah let’s protect our environment’ fucking hypocrites.
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It’s never been about protecting anything. It’s just wealth projection.
Handmade organic hemp bags project wealth far more than generic 15c plastic ones.
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don't need to see them if you can glide through them like butter 👍👍
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Bought my first pickup a few years back and it's by far the most fun vehicle I've ever owned. Hard to imagine ever going back to a normal car.
I use it to haul construction material quite regurlarly so it's just not for fun too. It's a real pickup too and not one of those with a cab longer than the bed. Seats two people.
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Can they be fined for not fitting inside the car park?
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These things are so incredibly ugly on top of everything else that's wrong with them. Thanks for all the brilliant names in this thread though, wankerado is my favourite so far.
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Barely fits in the car park… ever seen one parked in a garage?
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I can't afford a fancy lift. Sure as hell wouldn't be going around parking it places though.
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Related article: https://aussie.zone/post/252031
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Though I would like to see the Lightning. That seems like a pretty excellent electric work vehicle.
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I don't hate the electric ones as much, but they're still excessive imo.
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I swear if that thing ever dips below $50k I'll get one
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Give it 10 years when the battery range dips below 100 miles on a full charge. Then you'll see a bunch of them flood the market hahaha
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Maybe it makes me a bad person but I'd love one, even just for a few years.
I ride 20km to uni each way, eat less than 1 meat meal a week on average and am highly interested in solar/renewable energies but fuck me I'd love a big truck... specifically one bigger than everyone elses.
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They do appeal to some carnal desire ngl. I wanted a Cybertruck when it was first announced just because it was big and garish (and I didn't yet know Elon that sucks). Thank god it's taking so long to come out or I might have actually bought one.
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If I wanted to drive a big truck I wouldn't get one of these. I'd go for something like an OKA.
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Go drive one around in a video game, all the fun without actually having to be an asshole.
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If you live in the City then these things are pointless, but in the country they are some of the handy vehicles to have. And they sell like hotcakes out here.
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I live in bumfuck Egypt and mostly everybody drives a truck. They are awful, giant, and dangerous. I do not feel that the majority of people that use them actually need them, but everybody has bought into the marketing campaign that in order to be a real man you gotta drive some big fuckoff vehicle. It'sd asinine
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I do see a use case for them in Egypt though. In harsher environments they excel quite well. They're designed to be more reliable and serviceable than regular cars. But it's unnecessary in urban environments and easier climates.
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