In my earlier days of running Linux
In my earlier days of running Linux
In my earlier days of running Linux
Lol this is still me after 20 years of using linux
Right? Decades of Linux use, been a Linux admin for half of it. Still reinstall when I'm not happy with the way things are going. It's just faster.
Yeah fedora screwed up TODAY so I'm just reinstalling
And running into issues encrypting my swap so wishing I had just tried to solve the problem :p
This was me back when I disto hopped. Screwing something up was really just an excuse to try something new.
Now I'm I'm in a comfortable rut, but after recently having to set up a new machine from scratch NixOS is starting to look tempting.
Opensuse TW cured my distrohopping more than 1 year ago.
Nix is the only distro that's tempting me...
Sorry just test it inside vms, or even install it in a partition that you can then delete. You can even try nix just by installing the package manager
This was the way. Then you find Debian.
I switch distro once I start feeling that my current installation is too bloated and requires a heavy cleaning
Which is why I switched to nixos, so that I can’t bloat my system up with packages I eventually forget about
NixOS is so incredibly stable it's crazy. Even if my entire computer implodes I can just download my couple config files off github and get exactly the same system on a different computer.
I'm going to try Nix as my desktop OS. The only thing stopping me up until now is I like running the same OS that I run on servers (Debian). Do you think there's a good use case for Nix on servers?
Well, you still need to backup and restore your persistent drive, but that's trivial too.
I reinstalled Linux when it crashes, or used Timeshift for years, but at this time I learned totally nothing.
Then I tried Arch manual installation, and it changes my mind.
Honesty just make /home a different partition.
Has saved me so much trouble in changing distros on my laptop.
I’ve settled pretty well on Fedora at this point but that’ll probably change at some point (mostly because I don’t like Ubuntu much and I work in a mostly RHEL shop)
This is exactly what I have done on my personal installs. Saves so much time when there is a problem or when you just feel like distro hopping.
Cool you did backups
have / on one partition and /home on another, when reinstalling, reformat or reuse / and set the other as /home again. Worked very well when I switched from Ubuntu to Manjaro last week when Ubuntu refused to boot up for me for no obvious reason.
BTRFS is your friend guys and gals ☺️.
I switched to BTRFS recently, but found myself even more fucked when my system stopped working suddenly and I didn't know how to fix it without reformatting and installing grub again. Actually lost even more than I would have otherwise just because I wasn't knowledgeable enough to get any form of recovery to work. That first EndeavourOS install didn't last 2 months sadly.
Yep, everyone goes through that the first 2 or 3 installs, until you learn how CoW FSes work. It's not like anything else and it takes a while to master it, but once you learn how to use it, you don't reinstall ever again, just roll back snapshots 😉.
Yup. Being able to run my home and root(s) in separate subvolumes, and simply booting into a specific root with a kernel parameter.. 😌
I had that on my phone some ten years ago. Ah, the memories. It sucked, though.
Yeah, BTRFS sucked 10 years ago 😂. Try it now, it's much more stable.
I've lost so much data to btrfs disk mirrors. Zfs is my friend now.
Meeh, anything that is CoW and has snapshots will do the job, ZFS or BTRFS, whatever rocks your boat 🤷.
My favorite part of using Suse was Snapper.
My least favorite part was needing to use it every time they shipped a kernel update because it broke the Nvidia drivers. Eventually I just pinned my kernel version but it didn't feel sustainable so I swapped back to Ubuntu, which at least in theory tests against the supported drivers. Ubuntu has its own issues so I'll probably swap again next time my system needs surgery.
Snapshots 4 life
Mhm, pretty much. I haven't reinstalled since I started using snapshots.
I did this without having my distro broken. It was like "oh shiny, let me try this distro"
You give that up that strategy and lean into fixing shit when you put the time in to customize the OS and desktop/window manager experience... at that point you should understand your system well enough to make fixing it easier, and you are also afraid of having to redo some of your customization. That being said, you still should make regular system backups, especially if you are tinkering with the OS experience a lot.
If you are afraid of redoing your customizations you are using the wrong distro.
Heavy disagree… why pick between distros when you can build an environment unlike others, that fits your personal needs/wants.
One of the best parts about Linux is this freedom. If you don’t care about this freedom you should probably just be on windows. If you want something different in your Linux, alter it, don’t distro hop.
It's not about being afraid.
Customizing takes time and effort, which I'd rather use like.
Doing stuff?
Unless I want to re-customize it to be something else, I'd rather not re-make my entire set-up. I figured out what the relevant files were to how my whole set-up (DE look & behaviour, dotfiles for like fish
and nvim
) and copied it all to a USB Drive that I just drop onto my home folder whenever I install my OS on a new computer.
The fresh feeling of a reinstall lasts for about a week.
Backup. Fuck it. Learn . Fix. Repeat ad nauseam .
When I decided to switch to Fedora, I wanted a safety net. I had a 500GB SSD, so I bought an additional 2TB SSD, so I could make full disk image backups and be able to store 3 of them (I used full disk encryption, so my disk image backups were the full 500GB). And I dutifully made backups, either monthly, before I made a big change, or before a major update. Been doing this for nearly two years now and I haven't used a single backup image even once. It's almost disappointing, in a perverse sort of way. I was looking forward to having to learn stuff by fixing things that break, but nothing ever does!
Ah, the Windows approach. The few times I worked with PC Repair shops, backing up everything and reinstalling the OS was the go to for most "repairs". Especially since it was faster and cheaper than just researching all the issues and repairing them the "right" way. Although to be fair, if the OS is borked enough, backup + reinstall IS the right way.
Do a snapshot and roll back. Actually faster and easier.
This was in the long long ago, grasshopper. We did bare metal installations back in the day.
Assuming you can pinpoint the moment things went all fucky
me running it on hyper v and reverting to a clean install snapshot the moment I write one command slightly wrong
If you have a separate /home and backed up your data.. well why shouldn't I?
Reinstall? Nah... I have a bunch of virtual machines, which I set up and customised the way I like. Then I back them up. Use a VM for a few months, back up personal data (if any), delete them, copy from backup, power up, install latest updates and go with it again. Depending on their function, I keep the VM for longer (gaming instance) or shorter (Internet/office) periods before replacing them. That's become just basic computer hygiene for me.
Wow I think I want to do this too. Can I ask which hypervisor you use? And, can you get gaming performance in a VM like you can on bare metal?
Actually, I'm using Type-2, regularly three VM images (not at the same time). The Internet/Office is the recent Mint version (Cinnamon; I just like the interface). The gaming VM for "modern" games is also Mint. For older gaming, I actually use a Win98SE image.
To explain the gaming: I almost exclusively play adventure games and turn-based strategies. For TBS, the replay value is very high, so I'm still happy with somewhat old titles, such as Heroes of Might and Magic II and III, Microprose strategies or Stars!. I found Win98SE to be the OS where most of them run best. Adventure games don't have such a high replay value, but there's a steady stream of new ones (via GOG) that usually work in Mint as well. As a result, I don't feel the need for a type-1 hypervisor, and can't tell how performant the games would be on bare metal.
Now I just run suse tumbleweed with snapshots and if anything breaks I just recover from snapshot.
Then there's the cloud: "Oh, crap. I have a typo in a config file. I guess I'll destroy the machine and set up a whole new one!"
Used to end up doing that like once a month.
mostly happens with Ubuntu. i don't know if iam built to crash it but i always tend to break it. i have been using fedora nobara for the last couple of month and i didn't break it once
I managed to get it to start uninstalling my desktop. I just went back to Windows for my daily driver lol. Maybe if I didn't panic and hit ctrl-C it would have reinstalled newer versions or something?
As a noob, I wonder what would be the right way to do it?
Bro its so easy, simply have 5 years of linux experience. Legit tho I've been trying linux out for a long time and the only computer I really try to repair instead of reinstalling is my server, cuz I don't remotely remember how I set that thing up in the first place.
I've reinstalled so many times...
The Windows way.
I once deleted my windows bootloader so even the "consumer windows" is not safe from us
I haven't properly dotfilesed all of my rice yet, so I'm just hoping l don't break something until I get that sorted.
Being able to easily and freely upgrade, experiment, and reinstall is one of the big perks of Linux. Carry on.
Timeshift makes all the difference, no more panicking after breaking something.
Early days? I do this even today if I don't have enough skills to fix it.
I’m on Unraid now and have most of my services migrated to docker containers but on my previous build, I was just running Ubuntu Server a majority of the time.
I got a little scared thinking about all of the manual configuration I’ve done over time to this build and knew that if I needed to reinstall I’d essentially be fucked.
Like what tf is a fstab again?
So I took a few hours to learn Ansible and wrote a playbook that could configure my build nearly 100% in just one click. Changed the game.
If anyone knows of something similar with Unraid configs let me know bc I really did enjoy the ansible process
This is still the way! Gives me an excuse to change my distro.
I don't have many spare devices to do backups so I started using Fedora Kionite. I highly recommend installing ublue if anyone uses Silverblue/Kionite.
Since getting a NAS I now think of everything else as volatile storage
It didn't happen THAT often before, but as a previous Windows user and restore point fan, Timeshift was a game changer. Don't have to tread lightly anymore. :D
I'm sure that timeshift has saved me more hours of sleep and dealing with crap than every other piece of software combined.
Does it work with docker? I remember there were some screw-ups with docker and the author of Timeshift basically said "Docker's fault, not gonna fix that".
I'm honestly not sure, never tried using it inside Docker. But, I haven't faced any problems running it with Docker + compose installed and active in the background, everything (including Docker containers) seems to come up just fine after a system restore.
Obviously, I can't guarantee that there exist no edge cases or problems that I simply have not encountered yet. I'm mostly using it for my personal computer (development) and webserver (dockerized servers, VPN, Jenkins).
I feel this. I used to do it all the time when I first got into Linux. Immutable distros will make this a non-issue.
can't say I've ever done this. better to figure out why it's broken and fix it so that the next time I encounter that kinda problem, I can fix it quickly.
With the exception of my home data, this is why I switched to Fedora Silverblue. I got past the experimental phase and just wanted a linux that would work without thoughts
I use timeshift and it has saved my ass quite a few times!
That’s how the pros do it.
Oh, for the days of constant distro-hopping ...
Literally this morning I started getting boot errors. It is telling me WBM can't find the boot file. But I should be booting into grub, so idk what to do. My boot order is Ubuntu, then USB. And that's it. And now I'm out of the house all day and can't do anything but sweat about it.
Sounds like Windows rewrote boot manager. It likes to do that sometimes. Basically your only choice is taking live USB booting into it and reinstalling grub.
This is likely what happened. I think I'm gonna format the Windows SSD attached to the server (old install) and reinstall grub. Tomorrow, I guess. :(
Edit: Now that I've had a moment to think, I realized that I deleted grub. It was on another SSD that I wiped. It was on the SSD that my old OS was on that I wasn't using anymore. But my actual Linux install came from another computer. So when I dropped it in what became my server, I installed grub manually on the old SSD (which has now been wiped) to boot to my Linux SSD.
Me rn frfr
Have a friend who still does this. Every so often he'll notice that something is missing from a previous reinstall and we have to take a second to bring his system back on track
Considering I'd rather not spend the weekend troubleshooting stuff when I have my house to clean before returning to work on Monday, and a simple backup > reinstall will take me less than 6h at most (counting all customization and etc), I'll take a full reinstall any time.
Edit: Oh, now I reread that's about the early days. Would do the same though.
This is precisely the hampster wheel that felt like it led me to osx.
Hey, at least we have the option to fix things. My poor Windows friends end up reinstalling multiple times a year due to unfixable issues and bugs.
Reminds me, that I want to "fix" my install.
This is still the way! Gives me an excuse to change my distro.
Broke my ZorinOS install by trying to upgrade parts of the OS by myself so I could run newer software and lived like that for months until I gave up and switched to Fedora