I said what I said.

Be part of the solution, make it 😉.

Id like a filter for top of all time, but that’s honestly my only “complaint” im shocked at how developed this is, and the web app wefwef is a little too good lol

It's steadily getting better. Try looking at All instead of Local or Subscribed to see more

Same. Choose an instance, sign up. You don't really need to understand the federation stuff (although it helps understand the quirks).

One reason this happens if you made your account on a small instance is that your instance just isn’t federating with very many communities. If you’re the first from your instance to subscribe to a community, try this: Use an explorer like lemmyverse.net to find new communities, copy the url into your home instance’s search field, and it should appear in the results after a few seconds or a refresh. Click the search result and subscribe from there. From then on, that instance will populate everyone’s ‘All’ tab on your home instance with posts from that community, and ‘Subscribed’ if you remain subscribed

Time to post some cat pictures!

There is content but finding and making use of it is kind of obnoxious at the moment. I am very hopeful that workarounds will soon be available to smooth it out. However being subscribed to some random communities doesn't scratch the itch people have because the point is to have meaningful participation. Your own report is that you have not yet learned to use this platform to its potential.

I have been wondering what percentage of the smarty pants ppl bragging about how not-difficult lemmy is have simply failed to grasp it. It is inherently complex. It makes no sense because it was designed to accommodate significant dynamism. In the past few weeks, the partially-complete implementation has been pushed to the max. If you are satisfied with a small, narrow window onto that, you can pick it up pretty quick and keep it simple. But you are missing a lot too.

It's a Stockholm syndrome kind of thing. They've been under the control of social media companies so long they've gotten to like it. It's scary to leave that control.

I have choices? No, that doesn't make any sense!

I think people get some degree of choice paralysis as well. It's hard to pick which instance to join, and I worried about what I might miss out on. I ended up making accounts on a few and messed around until I settled on Lemmy.world. I could see this being a barrier for entry and forcing some people to just stick with the easy road, Plebbit.

If I can figure this out to promote "Barbie", then they can too!

99% of us don't give a shit about federation. Just give me the memes!

After a few days you won’t even remember that there are different servers. It will feel like one.

That's what I keep saying. Stop trying to explain it. Just have them sign up and start consuming content. They'll get the basics by osmosis eventually

I think the larger issue is people won't take three minutes to read some basic instructions and background. They want to be spoon feed info and told what buttons to click.

I'm having issue figuring out how it works interacting from one side to other. I know lemmy.world can interact with mastodon instance via whatever activity pubsub thing they have, but for instance, can I log into the mastodon app with my lemmyworld account? I know I can post there somehow, but all the web mentions of it are like, pasting the url links in proper order like I'm in the pre-dial-up age or something.

A much more cohesive unification is needed.

What an incredible actor he is. Everyone on the show is great, but he is really, really good.

I think that this also helps one figure out Lemmy.

Umbrella Academy

You're on lemmy.ca, I'm not, but I can still see and reply to your comment

To add to that we're commenting on a post from a third instance neither one of us are on.

Imagine if [Thing™] was like email, that's federation. Different servers with their own rules that all connect with each other to provide the same service

Instances are a bit like usenet servers. Simple. 😉

Disclaimer: see the bottom of the post for any corrections.

Imagine two spheres: me and you. Now, say we can talk between each other by uploading and downloading data back and forth with each other, like what you see when you check your internet speed on Speednet. I say "hello" in a text chat, and you say "hey" back. We can both see these messages. This is mutual federation: you and I both agree to communicate with each other.

Now imagine you defederate from me. I can no longer download data from you, data either in the form of comments, posts, etc., nor can I upload my responses to those comments, posts, etc. I'm blind to you, and you're blind to me. This is 2-body defederation.

Now imagine a third sphere: some stranger that creates a post. Say I comment on the stranger's post, and you respond to my comment. If we're all federated, we're all downloading and uploading each other's data, meaning everyone can see every interaction: 3-body federation.

Let's say now that I defederate from you. I can't see your activity and you can't see mine. I can comment on the stranger's post, as can you. We may be the only commenters on the stranger's post. The stranger can see that 2 other Lemmy users interacted with their post, but on our side it looks like only one comment was made by you or me. This is an example of 3-body "relative" federation (quotes are mine).

Now let's imagine that I know that the stranger hasn't defederated from you, and that bothers me. Maybe I don't appreciate your data and don't want to associate myself with you or any other actors that tolerate you. I may want to close myself off and save my effort for other Lemmy users. In this situation, it would make sense for me to defederate from both you and our mutual stranger. After defederation, I've completely cut myself off from your network. I can't see your guy's interactions, and you can't see mine. This is a case of 3-body "absolute" or "total" defederation.

Of course you can extend this idea to a server/instance/community that has thousands of users. Within an instance you can create little blobs of users that can and can't communicate with each other. This activity happens at the user level as users choose who to block or defederate from.

The next step would be extending this idea to multiple instances that each have thousands of any number of users. The communications between entire instances on Lemmy are dictated at an admin level, but the capabilities are essentially the same as those at a user level. Admins can defederate from other instances relatively, or even absolutely.

When relative instance defederation happens, the entire user base of the subject instance can't communicate with the entire user base of the admin's instance. Notice that here we may have a third sphere in the form of a stranger instance that both communities can interact with. The admin's instance can't see the defederated instance, but the stranger instance can see both.

Lastly, if we take this system to its final conclusion, then admin's can absolutely instance defederate from other instances that they deem counterproductive, a threat, or for any other reason. The admin's instance is blind to both your instance, and the other instances that federate with you.

You can imagine that doing this can greatly fracture the global user base of the fediverse. However, Lemmy users are free to make accounts on any instance, and in doing so can bypass the decisions of admins of other instances to absolutely defederate.

I guess a final case with absolute defederation would be to do a global instance defederation where one instance's admin cuts off all communication with all other instances and fully insulates their community. They can do this, but it might not be sustainable depending on the size of the cut-off community and whether that user base can tolerate the amount of traffic hitting their news feeds given the population size (Facebook and Twitter might be examples of this - since they aren't part of the fediverse, they're technically globally defederated). A user can do something similar on their level by defederating from all other users on the fediverse, but that would be very impractical. Ideally, though, you would want every instance to federate with all other instances. In reality, there are islands and continents of social networks all throughout the fediverse.

If this doesn't explain it, there are lots of YouTube vids out there on this concept. I'd watch the ones that explain the recent Beehaw defederation as well as the one case that happened in like 2019 with Gab.

Good luck! Stay Fediversal yo 😎🤙

Edit: After writing this, I think I misunderstood defederation. I believe in relative defederation, either at the user or admin level, you can still see the other user's/instance's activity, but you can't engage with that activity. You're like a ghost that can see other people around you, but you can't interact with them. Absolute and global defederation I think still makes sense.

Also, I didn't mention the idea of parent users/instances, but someone else might have explained it already for you. Basically parent = stranger in my examples above, but that the way information moves is different than what I imply.

Cheers