Apple event as a consumer vs. investor

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I feel like the most early Reddit feel of Lemmy is the abundance of users who adopt Apple hate as a personality trait.
- I don't hate Apple because in most probability I'll never use their products.
  However I fucking hate Android makers for following whatever dumb trends Apple introduces.
  Give back our headphone jacks you motherfuckers!
- Is it possible that it only feels that way because you've adopted Apple love as a personality trait? Cuz it's a rather mild Pooh meme.
  
  It was just a mild observation from someone who was on Reddit since the earlier days.
  
  Cmon dude, have you not been in any of the threads that remotely concern Apple? Lemmy absolutely seethes at the notion that anyone might actually prefer Apple products.
  And before you call me a fan boy, I'm literally typing this on a Samsung phone while playing games on my windows PC. you don't have to be an Apple obsessed fan boy to find the circle jerk annoying
- You think that's bad, wait till you get into the Windows hate and Linux circlejerk.
  
  It's just a fact that there are things in windows that are just objectively bad. No matter if in Terms of User experience or in terms of privacy.
- I like the stock.
  
  I am not a cat.
- Its not just hating on Apple, its hating on anything that isnt Linux.
  
  Well, Apple uses a Unix like OS, that have a lot of nice things in common with Linux.
  
  Never seen any FreeBSD hate around here.
- I am a PC/Android user, always have been. I am a hard apple hater, I've tried to keep up with the new devices though, and I've also repaired them in the past. I hate apple mostly due to just not liking to be locked on my device (lack of customization but that has been getting better AFAIK), the fact that the phone feels boring, the overpricing, the not friendly right to repair, the stupid lightning ports (Thanks EU), the "elitist" feeling...
  But god damn are these new SOCs making me reconsider... I was already very pleasantly surprised with the Mac computers recently. I think apple silicon is just waaaay ahead at the moment. If competition doesn't catch up somehow soon, I think apple's monopoly will only grow.
  Also, AMD over Nvidia. Not saying it's better, but I'll always go team red. Just like Apple, I hate nvidia's business practices.
  
  Don’t get me wrong I don’t mind a good Apple bash for time to time, just saying this feels like Reddit of old. But yeah their fucking silicone is fucking crazy, who would’ve imagined a decade ago being like I prefer Apple for the hardware.
  
  The M1 Mac book is my daily over Linux now. It's a wonderful machine, it's only concession is gaming can be a pain/not worth it. I like the "hobby" of it, but I know it's not for every one.
- I don't hate. I just laugh.
- That just sweeps the shit apple is notorious for under the rugh doesn't it
- It’s just as exhausting as you’d imagine teenage contrarians would be.
- I personally like a lot of things Apple has done but I don't like how they do things and the level of control they try to maintain on my device (read: their customer's device)
  I have seen a lot of hate along those lines, with people easily admitting that Apple silicon is good in a lot of ways

Both iPhone 15 models were good iterative updates in my opinion. Nothing groundbreaking, sure, but Apple finally adopting both USB-C and AV1 is great to see and the programmable action button on the pro models is a nice addition as well.
- USB-C should have never been a "finally" moment for a giant like Apple.
- I mean yeah, adopting USB-C is great (even though they only did it because of the backlash in the EU), but...
  "While the new standard iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus are equipped with a USB-C port, data transfer over a cable remains limited to USB 2.0 speeds of up to 480 Mbps, which is equal to the Lightning port on previous iPhones."
  Only the iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max support USB 3 data transfer speeds of up to 10 Gbps over a cable. (Cable/adapter sold separately.)
  So the speeds are still being throttled.
  Plus, both the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus are at a 60Hz refresh rate. Idk if I'd consider these "good iterative updates" tbh.
  
  They're not throttling, it's just a really shitty USB controller (what they were using with lightning). Still sad imo but ultimately who the hell is even using the USB port on their phone to transfer data?
  
  Fair point. Them not at least using USB 3 across the line up is silly and I don't really see what they gain from doing it apart from maybe saving a cent in production.
  But on the other hand I don't think it matters either. The vast majority of people probably don't plug their phone in for anything but charging and the few people that record large video files on their phone will probably get a pro model either.
  So yeah USB 2 speeds are silly and I don't want to defend a trillion dollar company for saving a cent on production but I don't think it matters either.
- Apple’s build quality and usability still curb stomps anything within miles of the same features.
  
  usability
  I can do way more useful things on Android than I can on iPhone, things you'd have to jailbreak the iPhone for. There's a reason iPhones are popular with grandmas, teens, and others who just want a phone that does phone things easily, and there's also a reason they are not that popular with hardcore nerds who like to fuck around with their devices. It's a phone that targets a specific type of person. There's nothing wrong with that. People see "usability" differently. Some people see it as "ease of use". Others care more about what is possible to do with it. It's just like the Windows/Linux thing.
  
  No
- Yeah this is basically what they used to call the S series. Have people already forgotten that Apple runs on a tick tock release schedule?

Cue my coworkers, who watched to glean hints at databases they can break into. For forensic purposes.
- They announce that on their PR events??
  
  No but they would make guesses on where the "juicy databases" might be when new features or improvements would be showcased.

Honestly, Apple's not doing too shabby. Could they have better consumer policies? Yeah, definitely. They seem to be getting a lot better though; enough so that I'm genuinely tempted to switch to an iPhone the next time I get a new phone (probably won't be for several years, but yanno).
The big thing that's holding me back is that you still have to jump through hoops to side-load apps. Given the state of the Google Play store, I can forgive Apple for being extremely strict about what can or can't go on the app store; however, I would like a way to side-load apps without having to do the weird song and dance currently associated with it.
Apple, you don't have to have an open app store like Google, you just have to let me install unapproved apps via my PC and I'll be happy.
- Sideloading is supposedly on the way. No ETA though.
  
  They have to comply until 6 March 2024 under the Digital Markets Act, so hopefully we should see sideloading very soon. Fingers crossed
- Pretty sure the EU is doing something about this too iirc.
  
  Yep.

Me knowing apple is the #1 abuser of stock buybacks.

Can confirm. 😉

I will never understand people who buy apple products. I have used apple, android and pinephone and settled on android as its cheap and gets all the basic functions like calls, music and gaming work without any issues.
- They work consistently, with very little direct maintenance, and have excellent in-person support. You don't have to figure out if it's a hardware or software problem.
  
  Tbh I never had an issue with any of the phones except Pinephone but thats in early stages so its expected. May be its just baby boomers who get "issues " with their phone. I never had any of my friends complain about phone issues.
- It's easier for the non tech savy person to keep in a working state, Android depending on the OEM and Windows come with a lot of bullshit that the average person don't know how to uninstall and avoiding accumulation of bloatware, even simple things like unchecking a checkbox on an instalation wizard are a mystery for most people.
  Apple restrictive environment ends up removing a lot of footguns.
  
  Are you saying apple has no bloatware ?
- Really? I'll give you a clue, it's the same reason why people buy gucci clothes. Or rolex watch.

And despite some apple fanatics not caring about any of the announcements, they'll most likely still end up buying the latest apple product the second they have the time and money.

its like people don't remember macos 8

One of my favorite arguments from apple haters is “omg people still buy this new stuff every year!!!”
…yeah? Some people have older iPhones (like me with an 11) and are just upgrading lmao, it’s dense to assume that everyone is upgrading just because
- What's the oldest iphone supported by ios 16?
  The iphone 8
  I got an mi max 2 from the same era, running android 13, thanks to crDroid
  Maintainer is even working on a newer kernel to allow android 14 to run
  It's honestly running better than ever, UI usability is on par with way newer phones running 60hz
  This is the problem with a restrictive ecosystem which has no room for development

Consumer Vs Upper Class Enemies

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