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  • Call me an outlier, but I want a wild west mindset here or else I will leave. Not saying I support this content, I just hate how over moderated reddit was and I want curation to be decided by the individual.

    What's next? Blocking piracy communities? I like piracy

  • I won't pretend I'm knowledable enough to debate the pros and cons of defederating in the fediverse. I've just been blocking communities centered on topics that I don't want to see, including the ones you're talking about. I've been on the internet since the early days though, so a drawing before I can block the communities in question isn't going to scar me.

  • I'm in favor of defederating as well. I'm a very hardcore free speech/expression advocate, but this is where my line is personally.

    Being connected with those communities invites problems on multiple levels, from being exposed to those things without inviting it, all the way to possible legality concerns depending on the content they share.

    It also is a huge reputational risk for instances that are willingly federated to instances that allow that content. I can already imagine news stories about communities that host that content and all the other ones that chose to stay federated with them.

    The Fediverse already has enough trouble seeming approachable from a technical perspective and Lemmy itself has somewhat of a stigma about hosting extremists like tankies. I don't think we need to do things to potentially add to reasons why people wouldn't want to join up.

    Those instances are still legal depending on where they are hosted and still accessible for the few people that want to access that, nasty as I think it is. We don't need to help others have access to that kind of content.

    By defederating with them, we might offend an extremely small minority of users, but by staying federated, we will alienate a massive majority of users. The benefits vastly outweigh the risks IMO.

  • I'm new here (literally got approved 6 minutes ago) and as a culture creator my opinion might be skewed but:

    Much of the point of loli and shota is that as a design model it's a "in the eyes of the beholder" thing. It is, basically, characters who are made to look "like children" despite their age, but this "like" is much of the problem, where (when) does exactly a "child" end? Whose definition are we using? How does it account for values dissonance for art that was made years, maybe decades ago? Trying to go into a blocking stance with hard lines that are too tightly defined only really benefits christofascists, antis and that "ilk".

    It's the same problem that happens with antis and purist that are all yell about "nudes" and "female presenting nipples" yet they conveniently do gymnastics around the fact that the female body is natural and present in art since the Greek and Roman times thosr christofascists "cherish" so much. Ultimately it harms people who discuss culture and creation more than it hurts any sort of would-be purist.

    There's another factor that there's a difference between a character being a loli / shota which is a matter of art/design and it is ultimately one facet of afictional character, versus a show or a work being loli / shota, which involves not only the characters but the narrative elements and the plot going about so it's a wider gamut of "things that can go wrong". My limited understanding is the latter is pr0n but the former isn't, but I'm open to being mistaken.

    All in all from that perspective, I'd be Fine But Careful about defederating from instances allowing loli / shota. They might be doing it for the pr0n, but also for a matter of Open Culture, "first they came for the minority" et al. I'd prefer a lighter step to be taken first, something like Mastodon's suspend / mute (where you don't block the connection but also you don't advertise / forward it), but my understanding is ATM this kind of platform don't have such option.

  • I personally support the defederation of communities that allow that type of pornography, especially the types that advertise themselves for it. Beyond not liking it when animated CSAM appears in my feed when I sort by new, I think that communities built around those types of porn invite multiple forms of toxicity that can rot away an instance from the inside. While I think defederation should be used sparingly, I still think it's a useful tool to remove bad elements from our community and in this case, I think its use would be appropriate.

  • I'm a brand new refugee fleeing reddit for the federation, and ended up on this server purely by the luck of the draw. So I don't know anyone here, or anything about any of you yet. And that's OK. It's nice to meet new people.

    I do have my list of topics I'm OK with, and topics I'm not. I never want to see abuse depicted, whether real, simulated, AI generated, or hand drawn. That means no loli, no fascists, no gangsters. And I'm not particularly interested in being a part of a community that tolerates those topics, even under the guise of free speech. It's not that you're bad for wanting to discuss it, I just personally want no part of it ever.

    If they aren't cut off at the source, that means I'll have to spend time hunting them down and blocking them. Ideally I don't want to have to do that even once, let alone on a regular basis.

    One other thing to consider is the health of the admins. If the bad apples aren't defederated, the mods may also have to deal with that content on a more frequent basis. I'd rather they not have to spend their limited time and mental health on them either.

    So they aren't defederated here, then I'll want to quietly move to a different server now, one where they aren't tolerated. I want to spend as little time possible being exposed to them.

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