They finally did it: Reddit made it impossible for blind Redditors to moderate their own sub

they already lost 4.5bn because of this. Their valuation was cut down to 5.5bn from 10bn just the other day

There have been reports of the traffic to their advertising portal dropping by about 20% over the past month

I hope reddit advertisers can see this

I see what you did there. (Pun fully intended)

I get advocacy and I think this is a major point in the API changes, but the blind community deserves better than to just be ammo for this fight.

"I didn't realize that the big button labeled self destruct would be a problem if I push it. I just wanted more space for my money printing machine to print more money and the button was in the way!"

Why would someone that was once a mod for Jailbait subs not be a scumbag?

I’m curious what the actual traffic differences are today from previous. Is it really a significant exodus, or just a blip in the scheme of things.

I wonder if this could be considered a violation of the ADA. They have no alternatives in place for people with disabilities.

It really is remarkable how fucking awful he is

I have not been on reddit for the past 3 days. I try my best to not visit the site when it comes up in search results, I either use web archive or google cached results to find what I’m looking for.

r/Blind is still a valuable resource for many people. No sense denying people access to it. r/Blind mods already created a Lemmy instance which they try to promote for their members. But learning new software can be challenging when you can't see, especially if the software isn't very accessible.

I've not looked for myself, but does Lemmy or Kbin have good, accessible tooling? They're both much more modern so I would expect that it would be a priority, but they're also much less mature so I wouldn't be surprised if little in that way has been implemented yet.

It's not like Lemmy has great mod tools.

they actually tried to negotiate and sort it out with Reddit according to their words and Reddit just didn’t give a fuck about them.

More than that, during his AMA, spez actually said he was actively working with them. Fucking liar!

This is following a predictable pattern:

• Person/group reaches out to admins in good faith to discuss changes.
• They don't hear anything at all.
• Reddit touts them as an example of how they're working with people.
• The admins get back to them.
• They don't listen or care about the concerns and aren't going to change anything.

they actually tried to negotiate and sort it out with Reddit according to their words and Reddit just didn’t give a fuck about them.

More than that, during his AMA, spez actually said he was actively working with them. Fucking liar!

I already cancelled my Dashlane, after they did an AMA on Reddit during the blackout. I don't support companies who cross picket lines.

Don't know what else to say in agreement to your comment but I very much agree with it

We need to start taking back power from corporations because without us they are nothing

Transfer our reliance away from corporations as much as possible

honestly yes. While I do think "ableism" is sometimes took to a bit of an extreme, in this case it's good... and serves the good purpose of making Reddit even less money, which is a good purpose in and of itself!

This is the way, hitting Reddit where it hurts.

People can complain and try to make Reddit listen but they do not care. As long as they have money rolling in from ads.

Thats a good one, companies would sure run away if enough people made noise

Saved

Maybe they're busy being moderators for subs since they lost so many volunteers.

Getting increasingly frustrated with management decisions while knowing their hands are tied. Being "that guy/gal" who comes up with ideas is an outlier that must be squashed at this point. Everyone is keeping their heads down as long as their pay check clears. Good odds that most are looking for work, but everyone's got mouths to feed so I don't slight the staff in this at all.

Sending death threats to mods and their families I guess.

Reddit doesn't care about their users, nor their volunteers. They care about $.

Edit: Like Lichess does, it'd be great to have a badge next to our user if we donate some to this server.

It would be illegal in the US too and business get sued every day because of it.

I'm not so sure about the "no exceptions"... I assume you're refering to the Web Accessibility Directive here. It specifically states this:

This directive does not apply to public service broadcasters or non-governmental organisations that do not provide services that are essential to the public or specifically to people with disabilities.

This is very much an exception, and a big one at that.

Since reddit does not provide services essential to the public, they are not required to comply with web accessibility standards.

I'm happy to be proven wrong here, but this is how i interpreted it and it would cause a lot of problems if the EU started going after private websites (which reddit still is, they are not a public sector, nor do they provide essential services to the public) and force them to be accessible.

Just taking a shot in the dark, but I'm assuming if people were making the needed third party apps for Reddit before, they can repeat this task for Lemmy.

(Please correct me if I'm wrong though.)

I would assume that Lemmy is not very accessible yet, but Lemmy’s mobile apps are under a month old. They are making fast progress and I would expect that to change very soon.

However, Reddit’s app has been out for years and they have been told about its accessibility problems for just as long. The impression I get is that they didn’t prioritize accessibility since third-party apps handled that for them. When they cut off access to these apps, they made it very clear that they have no alternatives in mind; they consider the visually-impaired userbase to be insignificant and simply don’t care about their issues.

Lemmy is open source and built by the community - the apps are all third party - with the exception of Jerboa, which is maintained by the same maintainers as Lemmy and lemmys default web interface.

So if the community want accessibility, they can do it themselves, submitting code to the maintainers for consideration or building their own interface based on the official and universal API that all interfaces use.

Essentially the official app is official only because of who maintains it - it has just as much privilege and the same access as the other apps and interfaces, and that's why the app is not called "The Lemmy App" but rather "Jerboa for Lemmy"

Thee official web interface is official and named "Lemmy-UI" not only because of the maintainers but also because it's bundled with the standard instance backend code - you set up a standard Lemmy instance package, it comes with "Lemmy-UI" as it's basic interface, alongside thus it also includes additional tools and access for instance admins to use to administer the instance while it's running. (Defederation and Federation settings, wether to enabled downvoted, 2FA and many other settings)

What is teddit for?

I just installed libredirect and have it redirect to libreddit.nl

Reddit is killing Reddit too. 😓

Eh I wouldn’t call it sad. Reddit is literally just a forum hosting site. The fact you and I are posting here is proof that there are many other avenues for random people to communicate ideas to each other.

The nice thing about open source is that motivated developers can fill out whats needed.

In for-profit companies there's always some money-making feature that kicks accessibility down the road. The way I get my work colleagues to give a fuck is to remind them that most blind people aren't born that way, some circumstance causes the blindness - and therefore any one of them could end up on the other side of the fence begging for basic access one day, so act accordingly now.

Actually, open-source software can be great for accessibility and I've been testing Lemmy with a screen reader.

Overall Lemmy is pretty close right now once a few roadblocks are removed. The audio captcha was broken, I helped fix that in the code just a couple of days ago but it hasn't been released yet (at least not in lemmy.world).

After that I mostly see more subtle issues, not complete deal breakers. I haven't started looking at moderator features, though.

I'm not sure about the current offerings, but I think former Reddit apps transitioning to Lemmy (such as Sync) should retain any accessibility compatibility/features they had.

There is a list of all the Lemmy apps here: https://lemmy.world/post/465785

It shows the current ones, announced apps, apps in development, etc. Across all platforms. Lots of devs have moved here from reddit, including Sync, Boost and Slide.

From what I've read from other users Wefwef is supposed to be very similar to Apollo, so you could try that one.

I hope you find what you're looking for!

Now I'm starting to wonder that's why they let red reader continue. Omg...

The US courts are currently split on this. The 9th and 11th circuits hold that a business website must correspond to a physical business to enforce the ADA on them. The 1st Circuit has required fully online businesses to also have ADA accessible websites.

Laugh Out loud AND laughing your ass Off? You Go ! Enjoy the day smuutch Happy Lemmying